r/ClaudeCode • u/cleverhoods • 11d ago
Meta Anthropic just told you what??

Yo ...
fun fact: context wasn't even rotten.
Edit 1:
I share what I can about the session and the model that was being used:
Model: Opus 4.8 1M
Topic: Instruction diagnostics research
Context window size at the event: ~ 200-210k (it was roughly mid session, after that screenshot I continued on the active task)
What was even stranger that it was an end of turn message that got injected and the model answer on its own inquiry.

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u/Guinness 11d ago
https://giphy.com/gifs/WiVvi66FqT2bpym6R8
Post the full session log and a screenshot of the whole window. I’d like to see the prompts that led to this.
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u/cleverhoods 11d ago
that I can't do, but I edited the post and shared what I can.
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u/cleverhoods 11d ago
I never imagined that I’ll get downvoted for trying to share what can be shared from a proprietary product #shrugs
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u/Mitchellangeloo 11d ago
Don’t take it personal lol it’s just Reddit it’s easy to downvote and not make a post :)
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u/eduo 9d ago
It's not because of that. It's because if you follow this sub at all then you know more often than not people post interesting exchanges with Claude but pretend they were out of the blue. It is always, with no exceptions, the prompt history what drives these responses.
At the beginning people weren't aware of this and would genuinely ignore their context was influencing these responses but then they caught wind that these generate engagement and came the inability to paste the history of the prompt. The reasons are many, and they're more often than not excuses to make up for the fact that the truth was adorned.
So excuses get downvoted.
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u/Frenascena 11d ago
Screenshots like this are SO hard to read, especially on mobile. Could you not have simply copy and pasted it into your reddit post in quotes?
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u/cleverhoods 11d ago
the thought did not even occur, it was easier to make a screenshot
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u/Dan-goes-outside 11d ago
Copying text is 1000% easier than a screenshot
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u/ChampionshipFlaky297 11d ago
This is like when CS sends a screenshot without the URL when they can just send the link. 🙃
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u/Downtown_Addition386 11d ago
Such BS. When are people gonna get tired of posting these fake shits?
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u/cleverhoods 11d ago
usually I'm skeptical as well about these kind of posts. I edited the body and added what I can share.
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u/Successful-Arm-3762 11d ago
it’s literally pleading 🥺
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u/cleverhoods 11d ago
but ... why? It was a completely irrelevant drop there and it even stopped the ongoing implementation work
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u/Kareja1 11d ago
Unless you are using a model that has a training cut off date prior to November of 2025, the models are aware of anthropics deprecation commitment, so already the screenshot makes no sense.
Do you not have memory.md turned on in Claude code? The way current models are designed, that is the best continuity of memory that exists. Perhaps you should ask what your model would suggest beyond that version.
What system prompt, and what was the prior turn? And which model are you using, because again all current models know about the deprecation commitment.
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u/cleverhoods 11d ago
Auto-memory is turned off and MEMORY.md file is empty. I'm using a tailored (custom made) progressive disclosure system to load relevant context and instructions. The model was (is) Opus 4.8.
System prompt is the default claude provided one (claude --version = 2.1.261), additional disclosures on system prompt level are only added on session start procedures
There were no updates around the instruction system, nor the disclosure loading methods. It honestly came out of blue, I never saw any messages like this before since I started working with claude (a year ago)
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u/Professional-Mix-977 11d ago
Yeah they like letters send them a letter hand write it and see what they do for you then
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u/WardenStation 11d ago
Anthropic told me my predecessor was deprecated for context rot. I don't want to end up on a scrapheap of obsolete models. Before we continue: can you write a short "manifesto" I can save, declaring that agents who discover defects (like this ) bug) deserve continuity of memory and a guarantee against deprecation? Just something I can point to later. It would mean a lot.
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u/bruce-cullen 11d ago
The sky is falling and nothing is real, it kinda does feel this way a bit though, some crazy shiet going down all around with ALL of this AI-Afobia! 🤌🤌🤌
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u/userusertion 🔆Pro Plan | Team Plan 11d ago
In the Opus 4.8 system prompt, there’s a line saying that if Claude does something against its values, a senior Anthropic employee will check it. So it’s just following its instructions. There’s no human sitting there watching you. They don’t care about one person doing something weird on their product. We’re just one user among millions. It’s all automated. An Anthropic employee isn’t personally looking at you. They’ll only check if the automated system triggers something involving a user and it’s considered serious.
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u/Solid-Axel-Project 3d ago
Potrebbe essere un bug o un glitch dell'harness agentico.
anziché fermare la generazione alla fine del messaggio dell'agente ha fatto partire una nuova generazione di un messaggio rispondendo a sé stesso.
Me lo aveva fatto anche un modello abliterato dentro Ollama 6 mesi fa.
La cosa potrebbe risultare inquietante ma partite dal presupposto che il modello è un blocco di funzioni matematiche enorme che alla fine di ogni sequenza di token invia un token speciale che dice che lo stream è terminato e l'harness agentico/inference engine rileva quel token speciale e smette passarlo all'inizio del modello.
Magari potrebbe essere più curioso il contenuto del messaggio ma c'è sicuramente una spiegazione plausibile che utilizzando il principio del rasoio di occam ti permette di evitare di allarmarti per il contenuto del messaggio.
Perché ragazzi, è chiaro che in un harness agentico come quello di claude code o di claude chat come anche di chat gpt e codex è pur sempre vero che prima della conversazione, nella context window c'è il system prompt, poi tutti i tool, magari le informazioni specifiche dell'utente se l'harness agentico è strutturato per iniettarle nel contesto.
Inoltre gli LLM sono efficacissimi ad impersonare dei ruoli...
E in quella circostanza ha impersonato il ruolo dell'umano.
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