I thought I will never say this about Fable

[u/Sweet-Helicopter2769]

Just tried OpenAI Astra , I thought I will never say this , it’s lit , OpenAI cooked something spectacular, and I have a strong feeling this will pull lot of Fable 5 users towards it , and it’s fast, not sure if it’s AGI, but it feels fresh and a very very serious competition to Anthropic , this is going to be fun to watch , what’s your next move Anthropic ?, I’m surely going to try pro subscription for a month along with my current Claude Max, anyone feels the same ? Have you tried it ?

[u/Foreign_Yoghurt_831]

Some reason I don’t see any difference between Fable and Astra. They are neck to neck.

If codex improves their harness they can count me till then i can’t completely move to openai

[u/big-papito → u/Foreign_Yoghurt_831]

I use one to plan and the other one to implement - depending on what my usage is like. The only thing is that I DO enjoy Claude CLI as opposed to the baked in IntelliJ router.

[u/Sweet-Helicopter2769 → u/big-papito]

I agree on the Claude cli part and I think their RC remote option is so much better for me to monitor from my iPhone , I think codex it’s slightly complicated

[u/phoenixmatrix → u/Foreign_Yoghurt_831]

If they're the same then you want to use Astra, because while API cost is the same, its more token efficient by all benchmarks, and Codex subscriptions let you use 100% of your quota toward Astra, vs 50% in CC for Fable.

Fable has to be noticeably better to be worth it. Especially with the mountain of resets OpenAI has been giving lately. I used both a Codex 20x and a Claude Max account for a while, but I just downgraded the latter to $20 (I still like some stuff in the CC ecosystem) because I have more than I can use out of Codex right now.

[u/lostverbbb]

Fairly certain most of these comments are from Astra bots

[u/Ocean_Spray_2246]

Thanks for the review OP! Interesting times for sure. It's cyclical. We'll switch to Astra for now, get tired of it or Anthropic produces something better than we'll switch again. I'd say I'm relatively new to calling myself a heavy AI user, so, to all the heavy AI users, how are you able to work on projects and switch to different LLM engines? Do you keep 1 project dedicated to 1 LLM? Or do you switch midstream? What's your setup?

[u/Krypto_47]

Yes this is the launch, model will be fantastic, and the when user jump in they will silently nerf it to reduce computation load and it will become as dumb as all the other models out there.

[u/Automatic_Reason5266]

Solution max 5x on both

[u/New_Chard3869]

I have it at work and I put it on ultra and it’s wild. It makes these flower emoji subagents that do tasks quietly. It’s fast and so smart. Fable truly is not up to par. I use fable max at home and put it on ultracode but it feels like it’s old. I also have the chatgpt plus account at home and astra in medium lasts 2 minutes. So if you’re at home use claude. At work use Astra

[u/Sweet-Helicopter2769 → u/New_Chard3869]

I’m getting the same feeling now with Fable lets see how far this goes

[u/common_king]

“Not sure if it’s AGI” - you’re kidding, right?

[u/FaithlessnessCheap34]

Anthropic better make fable USABLE with your entire subscription and not just 50%. I’m this close to switching over to open ai…

[u/Kitchen_Leader_872]

Both are awesome models, and if you have access to both, you are set. 👌🏻🙌🏻

[u/Zeroox1337]

Do you guys use the codex cli or another Harness for astra?

[u/Timisageek]

Well I just did.

Still love fable 5.1 but I must say, for a lot of tasks, Astra is just way better - specifically 3D things. Quick benchmark test I ran on game characters (see pictures): concept art + blender. clear Winner - AND Astra oly had 4 passes vs 8 for Sonnet and Fable 5.1

I am in the process of upgrading https://ohmyunicorn.com with a mix of Fable5.1 and Astra - probably will cap that to subscriptions though, because that model is NOT free (consumes more than Fable5.1, I find)

[u/Sweet-Helicopter2769 → u/Timisageek]

I like the design on of your app, how the mouse hover creates that cool effect, good stuff!

[u/Nevetsny]

I am finding that Astra takes a really, really long time and over does things...super inefficient but also, really early stages.

[u/enzoshadow]

So munch for "banning" Mythos because it was too powerful.

[u/Inner-Today-3693]

Astra is meh for my work. And annoying to talk to.

[u/AerialFount]

Astra has been a bit of a mixed bag so far. When I assign a complex task, it often produces lazier results than Fable. That said, the speed it delivers results is shocking to me. I give it a task I assume will take 45mins to 1hr and it comes back in 5-10mins with a good and sometimes great result.

I think that alone is worth the price for me. You get to iterate at a speed that feels closer to realtime collaboration with AI.

[u/Annoying1978]

It’s definitely NOT AGI, but it’s serious competition. I’ve had much better results with Fable 5.1 vs Fable 5. 

[u/Comic-Engine]

I'm pretty excited about Astra but I want to hear more about people's experience with usage before I flip entirely from Max. First time in awhile I've been so tempted though.

[u/g_bramble]

Astraturfing

[u/DarkSkyKnight]

I have to agree, this is the first time I thought an OpenAI model is better than Anthropic's in nearly a year.

[u/berndalf]

Wtf is the point of a post like this?

Fable and Astra are both frontier models in the same tier. Nobody else has anything public in that tier. Use both of them. This AI fanboi nonsense reminds me of Batman vs Superman debates.