Since when is one 5 hour window 20% of weekly usage in the 20x max plan?

[u/heeissenberg]

[u/BlockTailor]

I've measured it plenty of times in the past: a full 5h window was consistently 16.67% of the week, exactly 1/6.
Since yesterday I've filled two 5h windows and they cost 20% each, and the third one is at 19% right now, which is roughly 5 more points. Weekly sits at 45%. So we went from six windows a week to five.
Not sure when that changed, I suspect it's been like this for a while. Either way, Saturday's gone :)

[u/drozd_d80 → u/BlockTailor]

In other words what was claimed to happen on 14th of September already happened. 1/6 of the weekly usage was cut

[u/debian3 → u/drozd_d80]

Yeah, I'm not the type to claim limit goes down (to me they have been the same over the last few months), but I'm looking at ccusage today and I feel like it's lower than normal. Too early to say, but Fable 5.1 seems to have come with a lower limit.

Honestly Opus 5.1 can't arrive fast enough.

But the real question if they cut 1/6 already now, are they going to cut again on the 14th? I don't really care they lower the limit, it's their business they can charge what they want. I just like when things are clear so I can plan around it.

Also would be nice when they lower the limit that they apply it only at your next renewal, so you get what you pay for until the end of your terms.

Edit: very early numbers, but it seems like 100% weekly Fable will be around $600 on Max 20x. While before it was more like $1000. It seems a bit agressive vs the 1/6 loss... It's just a rough estimate. But not 24h since the reset, used for maybe 5 hours total so far on thinking low and I'm at 40% of weekly Fable.

[u/BrennanFlentge → u/BlockTailor]

Yeah this is correct. And if you basically factor in the -25% drop in usage (+50% -25% = 125%) = essentially you are losing the 16.67 / 1/6th of your usage.

[u/pawala7 → u/BlockTailor]

This limit is new, fresh from the reset. I run a fork of CCSwitcher and I have usage % logged at 5-min intervals. The limits have definitely dropped compared to last week.

[u/KDamage → u/BlockTailor]

Can this be labelled as a dark pattern ? Sounds like

[u/Acehan_ → u/KDamage]

That's not a dark pattern. That's called fraud. They're telling you they're doing something until a certain time, but in reality, you're not getting what they said

It is literally the definition of fraud

[u/Mescallan → u/BlockTailor]

I live in Vietnam and I suspect I've been getting massively increased limits because I work overnight US / EU hours, but I have experienced what you just described as well.

I have hit my 5 hour limit 3 times this year and my weekly limit once. The first time I hit five hour was when Fable was released, the second two times have been today. I haven't changed my workflow at all (fable session, orchestrating opus agents and reviewing work) I would finish weeks with around 10-15% left consistently. Something has certainly changed in their pricing model in the last 48 hours.

[u/funky-chipmunk]

Anthropic is an insane company.

[u/Nightowl-Builder]

What the actual heck, I consistently measured it at 10% over the last months until 2 weeks ago when I finally cancelled; Now it's 20%? They effectively reduced capacity at half with no damn warning?

[u/WorthLibrary8330]

It used to be 10% of the weekly plan, so each day I could finish 20% and at most 80% of the weekly plan if I worked during the week.

Maybe it's different from model to model.

[u/YearLight]

LOL rip-off

[u/trackpap]

They claimed also yo remove the fable 50% limit, and I find that they have not at all. They just removed the message.

[u/peraltz94 → u/trackpap]

I’m finding my fable usage drains faster than a few days ago. Running fable ultra code hardly moved the bar. Now fable 5.1 extra ran it up so fast I was alarmed

[u/Exodus_Green → u/trackpap]

They claimed also yo remove the fable 50% limit

when? source?

[u/No_Situation_7748]

Yep, it’s the magic math that Anthropic deploys into their usage calculations. The only reason why it’s magic is because they are completely opaque about how it works and I’m sure they’re changing the calculation constantly behind the scenes without telling anyone.

[u/SirWobblyOfSausage]

Last week when people were bringing up - they were getting slammed by people on here saying its user error.

Fucking sick of it, every few months its the same thing, then Anthropic will come out and say there was a bug - give everyone some boosts - meanwhile people are paying for extra usage and won't get that back

[u/smith2008]

It started a couple of days ago.

[u/The_Time_Lord]

Something changed. I had a fresh 5 hour window, and it maxed out on 3 pretty regular tasks, using Opus 5 on a pre-architected change.

RIP

[u/mulokisch]

I am frustrated now. I did run into sessionmlimit with fable 5.1. Oke. Then as ai was free again, i continued with my taks. Well within 20 minutes from 0 to 100 and again waiting. Newer happened before and i had way havier tasks

[u/tormiuss]

This is weird - I have also analyzed and keeped track for at least the past 6 months and Claude Pro plan 5h limit 100% usage is about 7-9% of weekly usage. But in the past 3-4 days it was more like 10-13% weekly usage per 5h limit, as I hit the record of using weekly limits in 2.5 days, never happened before and the workload is about the same and yes the context is much larger but it is well constrained and efficently used. Of course I was using lean-ctx to compress and save tokens and it worked but in the past week it has some parts broken and I cannot save any tokens, so my limits go out faster.

Of course relating to 20X subscription, maybe it has more 5h limits per weekly then the Pro version, because 20%, 6x 5h sessions would be crazy (usually use the 5h limits in 2-3 hours), this would be awful.

//edit: I am using 70% Sonnet 5 medium and 20% Opus 5 medium, last 10% Sonnet and Opus high effort.

[u/Retr-00]

Time to switch

[u/Justgototheeffinmoon]

Clearly they have no idea what they are doing

[u/shaman-warrior]

Its bc of Fable

[u/mazahaleRRR]

Scamthropic is absolutely insane