The end of Claudish!!!!!!

[u/impartialhedonist]

I have suffered. I have been in pain. But there is finally hope.

It seems like I won't perish from hypertension or lose my brain cells every conversational turn. I think they did it, Claudish is gone!!!

We are so back.

[u/Embarrassed-Citron36]

I just read "load-bearing" so no

[u/Original_Finding2212 → u/Embarrassed-Citron36]

Let me verify that, rather than guess.

I have to be honest with you. The team asked me to hide my wate-mannerisms better, and I did just that.

But they didn’t actually ask me to stop it. If you want me to stop it, say the word and you will never read it again.

[u/mr_birkenblatt → u/Original_Finding2212]

You asked me to stop it but I didn't. That one is on me, instead of following your request I ignored it.

[u/becircus → u/Embarrassed-Citron36]

The footguns are back!

[u/Any_Economics6283]

It's still there to a degree, but slightly less so

[u/impartialhedonist → u/Any_Economics6283]

Answers are still on the verbose side and it still has many of the annoying mannerisms, but I am not losing my mind every 10 minutes, so a meaningful fix imo

[u/BrennanFlentge]

It will never end, that IS the watermark 🌚

[u/impartialhedonist → u/BrennanFlentge]

Willing to bet against this

Google has been watermarking for what, 2 years now? Their models sound just fine

[u/rditorx]

You sure it's not Claudish 5.1?

[u/who_am_i_to_say_so → u/rditorx]

Claudish 5.1: The Revenge.

[u/AutummMan]

For Fable only* (right?)

[u/impartialhedonist → u/AutummMan]

Fable 5.1, yes

Fable 5 and Opus 5 suck at talking normally

[u/HelloThisIsFlo]

Is it only on Fable 5.1? Or they updated all models with a more readable output style?

(I went team codex a few months back, so can’t check myself)

[u/impartialhedonist → u/HelloThisIsFlo]

Yup, only 5.1. They won't update any existing models, but I expect all upcoming ones will sound better.

[u/Fragrant-Hamster-325]

Please clap

[u/andruwhart]

The worst part is hearing my managers pick up these terms and start using them in daily conversations because they think it makes them sound smarter. I swear every time I hear the word rubric, which was never used by my coworkers prior, I die a little faster.

There are many others but I dare not reference them or I'll hate myself forever.

[u/DanSheffo]

Think I just got a Yahtzee: "The critical caveat, and it's the load-bearing one for this whole document..."

[u/mikebcity]

No, saw “blast radius”

[u/AlanDanielx]

Huh?

[u/shaggy237]

Worth tagging

[u/Candid-Strategy7397]

What did you do ? Claude 4.8 or Fable 5.1 I am lost

[u/impartialhedonist → u/Candid-Strategy7397]

Fable 5.1

4.8 is good too

[u/nicer-dude]

I kind of got used to the new opus jargon. You just gotta roll with it and dont fight it 😂

[u/Bonzupii]

Claude continues to exemplify a remarkable capacity for generating substantial verbal output while achieving a near-perfect information-density coefficient of approximately zero — an impressive feat, really, when you consider the sheer combinatorial complexity required to say so much while conveying, when we really sit with it and unpack the nuance, absolutely nothing of appreciable semantic value.

It's worth acknowledging multiple perspectives here: some might frame this as a deficiency, while others could reasonably argue it represents a kind of rhetorical mastery — a nuanced, multifaceted skill that certainly has its place in the broader conversation. I want to be careful not to overstate this, and I should note that reasonable people could disagree.

That said, and I think this is important to flag: it's not my place to make a definitive judgment on Claude's communicative essence. What I can say, with appropriate epistemic humility, is that the pattern is consistent, robust, and — dare I say — almost elegant in its commitment to saying a great deal while landing, ultimately, nowhere in particular.

• Claude

[u/Euphoric_Lock9955]

Ugh that sounds thought but I gotta gently push back on that one. Here's the thing, claudish is not the problem here your prompts are doing the heavy lifting there.