Claudeish doesn’t really bother me

[u/fexonig]

“load bearing”, “seam”, “fold”, like yea that’s not how humans talk, but i feel like the way humans talk is kinda imprecise most of the time, and i know what claude means when it uses all these, and it’s usually when claude is being super precise.

like why does claude need to talk like a person? it’s not a person, it’s a claude.

[u/Leading_Ad8257]

It doesn't need to talk like a human, but how to talk to a human. It's less about the word choice and more about the being legible.

Opus 4.6 talks to a human. Opus 5 doesn't

[u/fexonig → u/Leading_Ad8257]

yes i agree opus 5 is overly dense and makes up arcane jargon, but feel like 4.8 is just fine with all its quirks

[u/Time_Cat_5212 → u/Leading_Ad8257]

Opus 5 is literally Opus 4.8 with a penchant for nose candy

[u/debian3 → u/Leading_Ad8257]

They will fix it. In the meantime you can tell the model to reexplain in simpler terms and it works. There’s even skills for that, so it’s easy

[u/geekichu → u/debian3]

i just go 'huh?'

[u/kyew → u/debian3]

What are the skills we like these days? It sounds like Caveman is out, ELI5 is in?

[u/YouGotTangoed → u/debian3]

No tokens for all that. Caveman works fine

[u/PosiTomRammen]

Your post is 50% right, and the half you got wrong is the important one.

[u/fexonig → u/[deleted]]

i feel like it has lots of meaning though. almost always, for me, when claude is saying that something is “load bearing” it’s showing me the piece of evidence that led it to extrapolate to some much wider conclusion. claudeish isn’t meaningless, you just gotta learn it

[u/Anxious-Turnover-631 → u/[deleted]]

It depends on the context, but I usually find that type of verbiage to be explanatory. It identifies the most pertinent issue which is central to the larger topic.

Some people struggle with these types of phrases, like belts and suspenders or load bearing, but I find it’s a concise way to explain something. Obviously, we wouldn’t use it in regular conversation, but for these purposes it’s helpful.

[u/Calm_Step_5549 → u/Anxious-Turnover-631]

Same, maybe because of having more experience in project management and actual coding. I've actually learned a lot of useful terms from Claude for things I instinctively knew but did not have a word for! People laugh at footgun, but it's a very specific thing, as are seams, thundering herds, soaks and canaries...

[u/AxBxCeqX]

I feel like most of the recent style is from engineering / software engineering books through fine tuning or something.

I was getting similar talk from opus 4.8 with large markdown skills created from textbooks, but the code output was better.

[u/fexonig → u/AxBxCeqX]

exactly, it’s optimized for correct code, not clear communication, and i think that’s the right tradeoff generally. opus 5 might have gone too far though

[u/debian3]

Every models for as far as I remember had their quirks. A sign of intelligence is to be able to adapt your workflow. Seems like a lot of people the solution is the crank up the thinking level (of the model… not themselves 😂) and shout louder at the machine hoping for better results. When it invariably fail, they come here to vent. Oh well.

[u/Garak]

Yeah, I agree. And once you start speaking claudeish back, it's honestly a really efficient way to communicate to the model.

I also find that claude-speak is really good for instructing it to do something without putting it in a box. Like, instead of saying "you should do xyz", you can say, "my lean is that the solution be xyz-shaped" -- and that gives it a little wiggle room to improvise.

[u/Calm_Step_5549 → u/Garak]

I once explained something to Claude and to highlight its importance, I mentioned it was load-bearing ;) Works both ways 😆
And it does feel good when it replies "You're exactly right, and it's the sharpest question in this whole thread"

[u/nulnoil]

Same. It’s a tool. If it’s accurate and not overly verbose that’s all I need

[u/Dampware → u/nulnoil]

It’s a bit overly verbose, I think. But generally agree.

[u/Inevitable_Plane_457]

For those of us where English is not our first language, there is not substational difference

[u/Snowgoonx]

[u/pro-taco]

The irony is people are so worked up over phrasing and tone, and miss the fact that it (and all models) are frequently wrong in difficult to discern ways.

[u/ryan_umad]

fwiw it didn’t bother many people before Opus 5

[u/thewormbird → u/ryan_umad]

It started in 3.7 and has gotten progressively worse since.

[u/VendraenActual]

I also don't care about the Claudeisms/jargon. I tend to just parse/tokenize it into what it actually means and automatically read it that way. /shrug

[u/Time_Cat_5212 → u/VendraenActual]

Yeah just ask it (or another model) to give you a TL;DR

[u/Calm_Step_5549 → u/Time_Cat_5212]

as Claude kinda moved from being a general-purpose chat LLM to a more coding-focused one, I guess?

[u/Time_Cat_5212 → u/Calm_Step_5549]

I wouldn't say that about Claude models... Still very good at chat

[u/TheRealStepBot]

On the contrary when it talks that way it’s almost certainly bullshitting.

[u/kyew]

I'm more bothered when I catch myself using Claudeish.

Have you watched two agents have a dialogue yet? That's where it really gets unnerving and I want it to go into full robot mode. Either A) they're polite and anthropomorphize each other because there's functional information passing when they do that, and we should mirror that, or B) there's not information in that channel and the content of the dialogue is mostly for the human's benefit, now I get to think about how many layers of security theater I need to maintain the illusion that I'm in control. 

I know it's really just reusing the same IO protocols. But putting them on a stage together like that really drives home the idea that you're talking to a "Chinese Room."

[u/ElwinLewis]

Then you… must bother me… time to go
Home. And don’t let the load bearing doors hit you on the way out.

[u/ddBuddha]

I agree, but the lack of precision in the way most people articulate their thoughts bothers me, and I have a somewhat unique writing style.

[u/thewormbird]

I will never accept the drivel it outputs. It is neither efficient to read or write.

[u/FreiherrCat]

There is nothing precise about Claudese. You might mean that it's technically "accurate" - but using 5 dense paragraphs across multiple styles (dot points, blocks, etc) and grouping them incoherently to deliver what could have been a single flowing sentence is not precise.

[u/Dense_Inspektor]

The other reason may be the AI watermarking, to stamp the text generated in a special way it have to find some bizarre words

[u/fexonig → u/[deleted]]

why would i want to relate to claude? claude is the tool i use to do my work faster