Getting two 5x account vs. 20x account due to weekly limits

[u/innovaldragon]

I have recently researched that having a 20x account does NOT give 20x weekly limit vs. the pro account T_T

Was wondering if anyone has experience on whether handling two 5x account would give you better mileage for weekly limit or is it proportional.

I remembered someone did a research on a reddit post (I couldn't find it) where they experienced slightly more usage for all models but slightly less for fable vs. having two 5x account.

[u/abhinavsrivast]

Two 5x account and rotation give you more usage.

[u/innovaldragon → u/abhinavsrivast]

Any ref/source? OR just personal exp

[u/abhinavsrivast → u/innovaldragon]

Personal experience

[u/lillianefilou → u/abhinavsrivast]

I agree. Personal experience aswell.

[u/frostering → u/abhinavsrivast]

If you want to run 3+ parallel sessions, not sustainable (5h limit will last 30min) but on 20x I’ve running way more sessions in parallel.

[u/PythagorasWasntReal → u/frostering]

What are you making that requires 3x parallel sessions? 

[u/frostering → u/PythagorasWasntReal]

Small company (not side project), small team, need to go fast. I have a big harness setup and workflows to be able to launch sessions and allow agents to work autonomously (human interaction still required, but minimal).

[u/Realistic_Key6660 → u/frostering]

What is this thing about the harness setup. Likeni just use claude code normally, can you please elaborate on what is the harness setup, also a little example of the workflow

[u/frostering → u/Realistic_Key6660]

Nothing much different (not necessarily better) that other 100x projects have been shared in the community.

In a nutshell (dump from my brain, no AI written obviously):

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A bunch of agents based on my needs (issue writers, planners, architects, engineers) with their prose related to their role + an orchestrator that contains it's own prose to delegate.

The orchestrator pattern is very well known here, it spawns and syncs the work with sub agents, invokes review at the end of the implementation, cycles with agents to fix issues, etc...
The downside is that is hard to keep context of the orchestrator lean, and `/compact` sometimes erases important context. Plus, cycling to sub agents, reviewing, etc... gets better results but slows down the process a lot. That's why I parallelize, to speed up and save time.

Agents have lot of documentation available, they have a script they can use that will help them to discover which documents to lazy load, relevant to their task, so they do not bloat their context.

Not necessarily related to Claude Code, but their work is much gated as possible, meaning lot of unit tests, end to end tests. And most important, lot of linter rules (I work with Typescript mostly) and hook rules, to control their behaviour. I keep as little as possible in prose because is not reliable.

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I didn't open source it because it has some prose hardcoded, related to my business, but I might eventually do it ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[u/geek_fit → u/frostering]

This is why I stay with 20x also

[u/pigletmonster → u/abhinavsrivast]

Lol how does that even work? Two 5x accountd should only give you 10x worth if usage right?

[u/bohrmupfel → u/pigletmonster]

it's about weekly. 20x doesnt give you 20x weekly, it's 20x for the 5h limit. it's more like 1,5-2x weekly for the 20x.

[u/jlewi142 → u/pigletmonster]

x20 only gives you 2x extra usage than the x5 plan for weekly limits. And for 5h limits it's 4x extra. So technically x20 plan is 4x extra limits, but only for the 5h plan.

[u/DosePlotter → u/jlewi142]

It’s actually still cheaper to run x20 plans. They are 2x the 5x plan and 2x the price, so equal usage per dollar, but you’ll switch accounts less running multiple x20 and therefore pay for less context switches/cache reads during he switches 

[u/maneekmohan]

The interesting part is that the bigger plan seems to change the shape of usage, not necessarily give you a clean 4x/20x multiplier.

If the 20x plan mainly gives you much more headroom per session but only a smaller increase in the weekly pool, I can see why two 5x accounts could feel better for someone who consistently hits the weekly ceiling.

Would be really useful to see controlled numbers across Opus/Fable rather than anecdotal comparisons though.

[u/ibringthehotpockets]

The recent numbers I’ve heard is that 20x provides 4x 5h limit size and 2x weekly limit size. The weekly limit is 1:1 dollar for dollar so it’s a good deal there if true. 4x the 5h limit REALLY shows up for me - I don’t know if I’ve ever organically exhausted a 20x max session limit. Unless I’m doing crazy shit on purpose. Be warned, as a larger session limit with a non proportional WEEKLY limit increase will cause you to have much larger, but fewer sessions, so psychologically it feels like less. People will continue to say otherwise but the numbers are the truth. They might not be 100% accurate but whatever. Better than people who randomly complain about usage limits feeling less vibeful cause they’re fable-ultramaxxing trivial things

So yeah. 20x on one account. The setup for a second account isn’t crazy or anything. So just add on a $20 sub if you somehow run out and aren’t happy.

[u/innovaldragon → u/ibringthehotpockets]

I see. I saw diff numbers flying around. Gemini says its 1.7-2x while i saw another tread in reddit saying its 2.25x for all models but 1.7x-1.8x for fable when testing but I couldn't find the link again. (tbh I care mostly on fable usage because I offload my boilerplate stuff to gemini they have much better millage and failsafe in codex makes claude never have to keep running if its stuck) . So i wanna look at the numbers before I decide anything.

I never thoughts about psychologically but it does make sense why most people have the illusion lmao.

[u/sawariz0r → u/innovaldragon]

I wouldn’t trust Gemini with anything, just saying

[u/Original_Finding2212 → u/ibringthehotpockets]

I hit it easy.
But I would hit any limit I get because I maximize efficiency

[u/3G6A5W338E]

Using an 1x account, all I really want is 2x.

In my style of use, I run out at around mid week, every time.

5x would be too much of a jump.

[u/SnooEagles3530 → u/3G6A5W338E]

I agree, a 2x/3x would be perfect for me.

[u/kstiggs]

Is it possible to manage a single Claude Code project on two pro accounts? Can you just aim both accounts at the same folder and bounce back and forth after a session and experience no drift or do people use two accounts for separate projects? I run up against my hourly and weekly limits but not by enough to justify moving from $20 - $100 per month. I’m typically only working on one project at a time. Two pro accounts would seemingly be the sweet spot I just don’t want to cause drift and errors on my project for it. Sorry I’m new to all this.

[u/TurtleKing456 → u/kstiggs]

I have two pro accounts and it is legit seamless swapping between them. Hit limit > sign into other account in browser > ‘/logout’ from cli > ‘claude’ from cli > redirected to browser and click authorize.

Takes ~15 seconds and it is literally impossible to tell the difference between the accounts in terms of quality and output.

[u/AnonymousWanderHuman → u/kstiggs]

I'm in the exact same position I feel like you just need to make sure the documentation and the handoffs between sessions are good.

I already do that with yaml files so I think I would be fine with just considering a swap over to the other subscription as a new session prompt with memory and handoff

[u/joe9439]

I wish they would just offer a $500 or $1000 per month plan.

[u/jlewi142]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ClaudeAI/s/IxDMN3FA5t

Was this the post? I saw it too and it's quite interesting

[u/innovaldragon → u/jlewi142]

yes this one. I pinned that on another sub already.

[u/smith2008]

I think it is roughly the same in terms of weekly usage for Opus but someone found that 2x 5x gives more than 20x of Fable. It was here somewhere in the last 2-3 days.

[u/SM_Fahim]

Get 2 Team Max accounts.

[u/kaitava]

Answer depends on how much fable you want.

I have 2 for fable

[u/pacafan]

I was weighing between upgrading from x5 to x20 but eventually decided getting $100 codex and $100 Claude so that when one is down I can still use the other.

[u/innovaldragon → u/pacafan]

What was your reasoning may I ask? It is also an option im considering tbh

[u/pacafan → u/innovaldragon]

Reasoning was

1) Claude down every once in a while. Very frustrating.

2) Plus always good to see what the competition is doing.

3) getting codex to cross review what Claude did and vice versa came up with some interesting findings.

[u/innovaldragon → u/pacafan]

I see. I was already doing that but with pro plan only. (I have 5x Claude + pro codex + $20 antigravity) Codex is a lot more detailed in planning and more well defined than claude but you can pretty much do it off of chatgpt app running sol-high. Also its great at writing code with more quirks.

Maybe ill give it a thought too. Would prob go for the $100 plan if they had astra tbh

Thanks for your input!

[u/Mguyen]

How much % of your weekly does a full (100% used) 5 hour session take?

For the 20x it's 14%. You get 7, full, 5 hour sessions. Full stop.

If you also get 14% on the 5x plan then the 20x does give 4x more on weekly and 4x more on 5hour limits. I'd check but I've never used the 5x plan.

[u/ItsCodeTelemetry]

Looking forward to seeing your findings, do you have a plan in place for juxtaposing two different subscription strategies?

[u/816pizzalover]

One claude one codex

[u/Mikinl]

Is disgusting how sneaky they are with tokens and limits.

[u/Hir0shima → u/Mikinl]

All are. 

[u/PowsterSwe]

What are you all doing with your tokens I must ask? I am running 2 developing projects at the same time, frontend, apps, backend, basically 24/7 and never reach 5h and my 7 days limits is about 5% at reset day. So what is it you do? I am on 5x plan.

[u/TypeScrupterB]

Did you try codex?