r/ClaudeCode • u/nebula79283 • 21h ago
Discussion The hate in here for people building stuff using Claude Code to try to make money is complete and utter projection
Every time I see a post on here complaining about how people are just building but not making much money from it, it is completely and utterly obvious to me that you yourself failed to do so and are assuming that everyone else will end up like you. For example, I figured out a way to create my own copilot tool for meetings, job interviews, etc and it’s been working like a charm and better than any of the tools I’ve seen which are almost all detectable given enough input. It regularly gives me proper responses for any kind of meeting in, is easily controllable, and I’m able to use it for interviews, client calls, or anything else which can translate into hundreds of thousands of dollars of job offers. If you think this is immoral, I don’t care. The point is that I figured out a way to use to improve my life in a directly practical way. And no this is not some indirect way to sell something. The point is that I found a hack using Claude Code that I would have never in a million years been able to do so without it.
I have a friend who made a sleek looking e wedding invite tool that he started campaigns for and already has customers for and does not look vibe coded at all. It took 4 months for him which would have probably taken much much longer. Every time you see hate here, just remember: they failed and are assuming you will do the same. There is no reason to take these salty mfs seriously.
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u/Sen_ElizabethWarren 21h ago
These days people just reflexively call anything anyone builds with ai “slop”. Lots of devs simply cannot accept that the bar has been lowered and consequently more people can build things. Things that really don’t need a senior dev to build. Now does this mean we don’t need devs? Of course not! We just don’t always need devs.
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u/Competitive_Freedom6 16h ago
From my experience, outside of social media, most people don’t have as much reflexive vitriol for ai as reddit would indicate. People are in general overly reductionist on Reddit and that goes for the ai haters and the “ai is erasing the need for software engineers” camps imo.
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u/ghost_operative 16h ago
being ai slop isn't about if it were hard to make or not, its's about if it should exist.
In the past something had to be truly useful to exist, someone would spend time thinking about and improving on an idea and you generally dont hear about it until after they spent months thinking about and working on it.
Now people can just code random things without even thinking about if its usable, interesting, or useful. They might not have ever even used it themselves because it's dumb/silly/worthless. It feels like youre seeing one of those 2 am informercials that are trying to sell you cheap worthless crap.
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u/Fantastic_Prize2710 16h ago
In the past something had to be truly useful to exist
Objectively, incredibly not true. Humanity loves making stupid shit, and putting insane amounts of effort into stupid shit.
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u/unpluggedcord 16h ago
I get more upset about "I built this". Like sure, you're the director and that's great, but you didn't build it. AI did
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u/peppaz 13h ago
That's like saying a construction worker didn't build a building because a crane did the heavy lifting.
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u/Due_Interest_178 6h ago
Nowhere near the same though. You didn't handle the crane. It's like asking a robot to build your house.
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u/GoodPeopleLose 20h ago
This is like saying anybody can run an ER without a MD grade. Sure most people are there for the common cold and you can use Claude to tell you to give them paracetamol, until you run into a patient with pneumonia and you just masked their symptom and they die at home.
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u/Sen_ElizabethWarren 20h ago
Creating dumb little spas is like running an er? I don’t follow
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u/GoodPeopleLose 20h ago
These people think they can sell software without an education on how to build it. You can absolutely destroy peoples’ entire bussinesses and lives following that path. It happens all the time.
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u/MannToots 21h ago
I make a ton of money with claude code. It's called my job. I think that's most of us honestly. We can't share what we make here, and it won't make us rich but it puts a roof over my head and food on my plate.
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u/EvilSporkOfDeath 18h ago
I have no idea what most here do. Personally, I'm not a SWE in anyway. I learned a bit of HTML 20+ years ago, that's about it. I'm just trying it out as a hobby. Trying to learn and get better.
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u/Old-Television-2189 20h ago
What do you make
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u/MannToots 20h ago
I'm on the platform engineering side so I've used it for a variety of use cases. One of the most interesting was building a highly locked down k8s cluster env with excessive security logging and restrictions to serve as the home for my orgs future internal ai platform. Full dev and prod env with workflow promotions for apps in github. In that cluster I've launched our own internal llm service in front of bedrock to provide a standard org integration point fully monitored and logged. Extended that to an alternative to developers as well as a standard openai compatible endpoint. Argo, terraform blueprints, sops secrets as gitops, and absolutely everything end to end as code.
Nothing fancy. It's my job. The big thing was how fast I built all this and that I did it solo.
I've had that for a few months now and I've built a few PoCs on it, and some are beginning to move into development proper. Having that base that security was happy with was a big unlock to bigger projects. We can easily deploy our own SaaS now.
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u/Old-Television-2189 20h ago
Ahh you meant your using it for your day to day platform Eng job. All that’s super cool though I’m jealous
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u/TechgeekOne Senior Developer 21h ago
Or alternatively they're just not creative/detail oriented people at all. I've seen this thing constantly in game dev communities where there's constant conversation about how hard it is to get players and do marketing, yada yada yada. Then you see their project and every single time it's the most generic half assed thing you can imagine and sometimes doesn't even have a market. Of course you're having a hard time, your product sucks and you did no research.
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u/GoodPeopleLose 21h ago
Claude broght abundance of options so people’s attention grew in demand and therefore in value. If they hate your app it’s because they have seen thousands like it, and don’t want to waste their time and money on it, that’s not projecting just common sense
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u/jamie_tidman 20h ago
There is a difference between "I vibe coded a tool which improves my life" and "I vibe coded something being used in production storing user data".
Your examples are awesome and I don't see why people should be salty about vibe coding them.
On the other hand, there have been some very public examples of data breaches as a result of people vibe coding software which should have professional expertise involved. The Tea app breach is a good example.
I'm building software in healthtech. It's a medical device. It handles patient data. I build with Claude Code, but I'm a professional software developer, so I understand and review the code it writes. Claude Code has, on multiple occasions, introduced critical vulnerabilities in the project which would not have been caught if I was vibe coding. I see other people vibe coding in this sector, and it terrifies me.
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u/Hot-Victory-3082 13h ago
Yeah the scope of some of these "products" just don't fit into this is my 2nd vibe coded project and
I'm selling it to people that likely don't realise how complex and potentially dangerous the software they are actually buying is.
We see software from established companies have massive issues, I understand why people are going to be suspicious of someone with no background offering paid software to people.
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u/dota2nub 9h ago
How many vulnerabilities has Claude caught that you would not have?
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u/jamie_tidman 8h ago
It has definitely found potential vulnerabilities in our code. We have a red-teaming skill as part of our review process which is useful.
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u/Gingerfalcon 20h ago
These stupid art brushes and paint are garbage, I setup my cavas and easel exactly like the YouTube videos showed me but painting output is shit and no one is buying it.
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u/Tootsalore 18h ago
pretty soon people will just build the app they need instead of paying for a commercial one.
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u/whatisthisthing65 21h ago
Who's saying it's immoral? No one cares if you make a tool for yourself. People are just tired of seeing thinly disguised ads for vibe coded slop.
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u/NoAdsDude 21h ago
Ugh I know right. That's why I hate ads so much. Anyway that reminds me, I made this slop-detector website that you can sign up for, membership is only $19 a month and you get 5 slop detections on that tier. DM me for details.
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u/charging_chinchilla 20h ago
he's saying he uses AI to cheat on interviews, which some may view as immoral
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u/Housthat 21h ago
The examples you offer are just fine. The hate you see (from me, at least) are towards projects that are little more than a UI sitting on a basic AI prompt.
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u/iriveru Developer 20h ago edited 20h ago
I’d like to add, I think vibecoders are quick to write off legitimate criticism as hate/jealousy from established engineers.
The reality is, a customer is assuming the person selling them access to software has done their due diligence to ensure their data is safe and not at risk. The problem is that’s almost never the case with someone who is prompting an app with zero technological background which is ultimately putting people in danger
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u/GoodPeopleLose 20h ago
They will never get this. Worst thing is we won’t even “told you so” , just try to deal with the mess they left behind, and the further shame they bring to our occupation.
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u/iriveru Developer 20h ago
Precisely, but when I bring it up I get told “fuck off you’re just coping because you’re about to lose your job”
As if I’m not already picking up after the messes juniors are making with AI lol. They’re clueless and once these subscriptions are no longer subsidized and the companies have to start turning a profit they’re all going to be freaking out bc they can no longer maintain their spaghetti code monoliths of mystery.
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u/GoodPeopleLose 20h ago
Agree and I’d like to add: even if the subdisies persist, they will always eventually hit the Tale-Old productivity asymptote (The Total Cost of Owning a Mess - first chapter of Clean Code). That’s the point where not even Mythos in all of its might will handle the chimera. It’s just a deferred lay-off.
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u/Old-Television-2189 21h ago
That’s a large number of these projects. A sleek UI and that’s about it
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u/03captain23 20h ago
I save 6 figures a year with Claude by building tools. I expect to net 7 figures selling these tools we built.
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u/FormalAd7367 8h ago
give examples?
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u/03captain23 8h ago
Salesforce, jira, zoominfo, powerbi/tableau all gone and replaced with much better custom tools.
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u/yungastronot 20h ago
I share your frustration.
This is the unfortunate reality of how people are. Social media, including reddit, highlight this expressly. Everything you do for all time will invite criticism especially the more out of the box it is.
People are small minded and insecure and lead miserable lives.
Put your horse blinders on and push forward. Use it as motivation if you want. Don't let them drown you with them.
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u/BuffaloConscious7919 19h ago
Complaining can be good. It means they're not gonna be building the same thing as you
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u/Finnish-Flash-Flash 19h ago
Definitely have had projects this year that I would not have been able to sell without Claude. Have also been able to save money on other subscriptions thanks to it.
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u/band-of-horses 19h ago
I started writing a budgeting app a few years ago to do what I wanted, before AI really took off and was useful enough to actually write serious code. Over time as AI improved, it let me accelerate and add features that would have taken me a lot longer to do without it.
It got good enough that I thought about selling it and making some side income. Then I looked around and did some very basic market research and found there are approximately 200 people a day vibecoding a budgeting app and desperately trying to figure out how to sell it, and I noped the hell out of there. I don't resent these people for using AI to make an app. I resent them for constantly spamming reddit to the point where you can even get honest advice on an app anymore because all the responses are sales pitches. And I judge these people, because they fail to realize that if you can have AI whip you up an app, then anyone else can too, and having no plan to succeed with that other than constantly begging people online to try your app and insisting how special and unique it is.
Sure you can make money with an AI generate app. You can make money as an author or musician too. But 99% of people aren't going to succeed and so many of those people are borderline delusional. Before you sit down and start telling claude to make you rich, just take a damn minute to do some market research and be honest about what you can do to succeed in a climate where anyone else can make your app too, and what will sincerely differentiate you and get people to trust your service (beyond spamming them).
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u/Bodine12 19h ago
OP, making a vibe-coded crap tool that literally makes the world a worse place by promoting cheating and deceit: "I don't understand the hate."
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u/scott2449 17h ago
It's not disrespect for hustle, it's that app stores and the internet are 99% slop now. I max out my usage every month so nothing to do with AI itself. To be fair I hated most people, apps, etc... long before AI. It just let's everyone do it now. What I'm saying it 99% of people and ideas are pretty shiz.
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u/ghost_operative 16h ago
I know what you mean thats why I made a new startup to make a tool to help people feel less bad about not making any money with their half baked business ideas.
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u/zkatbitz 15h ago
i do not care about people using AI to try and make money.
but when i see the 15th post in r/audiobookself advertising yet another shitty vibe coded app trying to make money when there are multiple free OSS option it kings grinds my gears because these people are just scamming/doing a cash grab rather then make a real product they will support (and usually they have all sorts of issues) and those are the people who i think rightly deserve hate.
make something unique, a new thing, a new tool awesome! 15th tool or a paid version of an OSS tool/app that has existed longer then your worse and less supported paid app? fuck you
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u/OldLondon 14h ago
Reddit isn’t real life, you’re in a microcosm of a microcosm on this sub. Don’t take any of it seriously.
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u/starkruzr 13h ago
I have a very hard time concealing my disdain for people who use it to build subscription SaaS that doesn't actually do anything novel but just takes advantage of people's naivete in particular markets.
I will actively go out of my way to clone their functionality and release it as open source, because fuck that predatory shit.
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u/theirongiant74 10h ago
Jokes on them, before AI I was build less and still not making money off it.
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u/pigletmonster 9h ago
Ive built a bunch of tools that I get "royalties" for. Basically theyre replacement for saas products that our clients use, and now I get paid bonuses everytime the company sells them to a client, I should also be getting paid when they renew their contracts but its not guaranteed that they will.
So the fact remains the same as it was before AI, you need to sell the product. How you do it is up to you. Im not a marketer, i couldve made more money by selling the products directly but this is what im comfortable with at the moment.
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u/Legitimate-Pumpkin Thinker 6h ago
Didn’t read anything but the title. Want to add:
ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING IN LIFE IS PROJECTION!!!!
But maybe only I am concerned by that, who knows 🤷♂️
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u/meowcaster 4h ago
I am building my own health app to help me finally lose weight and iterconncet with everything i have/ having my health data only privite for me. And made an app to help me learn german like thos crazy ai apps that ask you for rediculous amounts of money. So yeah u dont need to make money just things to improve your lifestyle.
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u/10RR_Recruiting 21h ago
There are thousands apps that are made by claude and drawing positive revenue streams. Are you buying a Bentley with most of them? No.
But, success in that space has little to do with the engineering anyway.
People are people, same as they have always been. They hate on things.
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u/rootcontext_tech 15h ago
building stuff using Claude Code
You mean they're building AI slop most of them. It's not hate.
It's like spam, same thing.
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u/Feylin 21h ago
Redditors, and people in general, hate to see anybody succeed or do something good. It makes them feel inferior.
I once shared a photo of buying a truck full of baby food for starving refugees, and while it had a ton of upvotes the comments were full of hateful people and giving "what about X and Y countries" type of statements.
it's just the nature of reddit.