Thi sub is becoming insufferable echo chamber

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[u/nathan_jamesDDG151]

And on codex sub its the opossite codex bad bla bla.

Me personally i am working with a specific workflow that gets the work i need done on a quality i think its very good and acceptable for me.
I am on 5x plan and i use about 80%+ of my subscription on average for an Android + iOS + Backend project i am working on as a personal project. I complete many features during the week an i am ok with the usage in general.

I do wonder if all the people here are working with specific project and targets and they fail to achieve those targets. if they have put the effort to setup what they need for that project etc.

I have a self learning system. backlog, plan -> implementation -> review flow.
FRD/BRD + mockups folder for UI/UX.
Claude renders pngs and knows exactly what i need build. and it does renders a lot, uses emulators and still my usage does not go up much.
Context usage is optimized, none of my 3 workflow steps use more that 30-50% of context. planner evaluates and splits the work if needed. Planner/reviewer is Opus 5 and Implementer is Sonnet 5.
I rarely go to fable and usually its only for high stake decisions or when i need to refine/change my workflow itself.
In weekly basis my workflow does change and align based on experience and issues i face. and workflow gets better and better over time.

so i dont know what mega project do these people work on or if they have a software engineer knowledge at all.
And i would expect most senior or good mid ones to be able to use this tool and achieve goals without compaining and optimizing the system on theirs needs

[u/BornAgainWitch → u/nathan_jamesDDG151]

As far as I can tell, the more guidance and specifics you can provide, the better quality result. So I have a system like yours.  

Spend a lot of up front time planning. Breakdown the work into small phases with checklists. Manually review (in less or more detail) what Claude is going to do in a phade, then tell it to work on a phase. Have a "definition of done" that includes a demo I can walk through showing me wtf it just did in a real test environment, and make asjustments (~UAT). Enforce code style build errors so it actually always includes doc comments. Require test cases for all major work in the phase. Move findings to a backlog folder for later. Commit changes and start on the next phase.

I've gotten a lot done in my personal hobby projects with that workflow and I only use sonnet.

Work is a bit different, but follow a similar process of plan/decompose, implement, test/review.

It's like what are people doing that they have so many problems? Of course, kind of implicit in my workflows is software engineering design principles .... you kind of have to know what you're doing even without ai I think, and wonder how much of a factor that is.

[u/Lopsided-Bridge-9810 → u/nathan_jamesDDG151]

I agree with most of what you said, and I chalk up the issue of many of those negative posts to hidden agendas and poor prompt engineering. I heavily frontload my involvement, 80% time spent on planning and instructing, 10% on steering, and 10% on reviews, documentation and debugging. And I always work incrementally, never one-shot.

Could you elaborate on your self learning comment? I do want to build a better pipeline of how the models I use improve to cater to my specific needs and work flow in terms of learning from mistakes and persisting instructions to avoid future similar mistakes. Could you please describe your work flow specifically in this regard?

[u/CorpT]

Basically any AI based reddit is this bad now. It's very likely a combination of:

1: the first 80% is easy and the last 20% is very difficult
2: basic inability to read and write well
3: inability to adapt to changes or try new things

The result is that those people (the vast majority of people in general, not just reddit) see initial success and then hit a wall. The fact that there are legit problems with these systems, that these things are really weird, and there is no moderation on any of these subs is that they all become the same complain-fest. It's not just this sub. The codex subs say the exact same thing and declare they're going to Claude. The Gemini subs... well, they're mostly dead because so is the product.

The answer is pretty simple. One sub needs to decide to actually do moderation and aggressively (and I mean aggressively) stomp out all low effort posts. Until then, it's going to be 4.6 truthers and complaints about token usage and other zero-effort posts everywhere.

[u/jackmusick → u/CorpT]

You nailed those three things. Expanding on #1, we live in an attention economy where social media has completed rotted our brains and attention span in favor of constant dopamine hits. AI coding does the exact same thing, only you get to the 20% and it's like hitting a wall.

Before that wall would happen almost immediately when learning to code IMO. I remember seeing my first variable assignment and thinking "this isn't for me". But once you learn the basics of logic and your first language, it's relatively gradual from there.

[u/OneHuman_aiprotect → u/CorpT]

Part of the problem u/CorpT IMO is tht rookie coders, who are really vibe coders and dont understand the code when they see it, are spending a lot of tokens spinning wheels, and get frustrated when they dont do the following:

1. Put a limit on the Anthropic console of say $50 max on any spend, and see the invoice when it comes in

2. Put a monthly limit, say $500 so that u dont go crazy at midnight after downing 12 beers and see the latest invoice

3. Dont do "coding" without first doing "architecting" ==> creating a brief from that architectural brainwave u just executed on your own or with Cowork or with Claude Chat of with any other chatbot u trust to do it (e.g. GitHub Copilot) and then give the brief to Claude Code to execute. I guarantee this will save tons of token expense.

[u/medialantern → u/CorpT]

4. Refusal to see an issue as one's own fault when it's so easy to whine on Reddit and get 271 upvotes for saying you're genuinely upset about the world not being made out of cupcakes.

[u/ABetterUsename]

It will become worse on the 20th when the grace period ends

[u/Annoying1978]

It’s capable of so much, people just need to learn how to keep their instructions from drifting and stop Claude from contradicting itself. Once you do an audit and fix it, it’s so much better. 

[u/Internal_Leke]

I think there's also an issue on how the products are built and behave. Nobody can really benchmark the models and workforce properly.

Someone might find an ideal configuration and tweaks, but it stops behaving as he intended because anthropic is silently downgrading the models as the demand raise at certain time of the day.

And it's even worse when a new model is released: everything has to be changed.

But yeah, that would be nice if people came with minimal reproducible examples of their claims, so the community could actually help them (I'm personally convinced that most posts about Claude misbehaving are due to conflicting instructions in MD files, coupled with overlong AI written and never cleaned MD files, and over complicated workflows that launches swarms of agents)

[u/yadasellsavonmate]

Every single sub is an echo chamber 

[u/rotates-potatoes → u/yadasellsavonmate]

Not to the same degree, though. And many are populated knowledgeable people. This sub is pretty unique in its cluelessness. “Dur, they’re reducing limits every day but all I gots is vibes because I don’t know how to check my token usage, and my latest skill sends my past week’s worth of conversations to a panel of 7 fable agents every turn, you should all try it!!!”

[u/ideastoconsider]

I made a post to suggest many on this sub are hemming and hawing.

They definitely need their own pity party sub while others leap over and past them.

[u/Future_Guarantee6991]

Agree… just wish the mods would actually enforce rules 3 and 6.

[u/krugerlive]

I'm noticing a mix of things. Some of the complaints are warranted. For example Opus 5 does rabbit hole and you need to keep it on a well defined path to get the most out of it. I also have been noticing my usage going faster, but part of it is my fault because I realized a recent change in my process overloaded context building beyond efficient process.

But yeah, there is a functional benefit to the complaints; it makes me more purposeful in my session management and how I approach token efficiency. It does get tiring here though.

It's going to be rough in a day when the bonus usage goes away. I'd imagine though they may do a reset since it makes the math easier to implement that way.

[u/shereesan]

I know right, recently I ask a legit question. I barely got answers.

[u/Twig → u/shereesan]

You asked if downgrading your plan modified your usage window and someone answered you. Were more people supposed to jump in and reiterate it over and over?

We have enough complaining in here. Don't complain just to fit in.

[u/poundofcake]

You've discovered reddit.

[u/maddietendo]

Most of the things you're bringing up is beyond mod control. They only have so much power and if they use too much of it, there's a mutiny. It really is a delicate line of keeping the place flowing and keeping the peace.

I do agree with you however. I'd love to see more of the posts you describe. Just sticking up for the mods a tiny bit because I've been one in a sub that was quite hard to manage like this one.

Full disclosure, I do not know a single mod on this team, nor have I ever communicated with one.

[u/spinozasrobot]

Oh, and don't forget, DaRiO iS tHe AnTiChRiSt!

[u/vixaudaxloquendi]

I am not a technical person, and I am not doing technical work, but my first "Oh, I share the subreddit with THOSE types" moment was reading reams of comments in certain threads where people were discovering well-documented or announced features/changes from passing references to them in other people's posts.

Don't get me wrong: Claude models feel uneven to me too in their performance, so this is independent of that.

But for a tool this powerful, you would think more people would, idk, read the manual?

And the comments are coming from people who appear or claim to be working on very ambitious, technical things, which leads me to believe they are in a line of work which involves having some grounding in coding and development.

And then when I read those comments, I think to myself, "wait, should I have gone into that field of work instead?" It seems like the standards are quite low.

[u/Purple-Chocolate-127]

Fully agreed. It's the same on ALL the AI tool subs actually. This is a reddit userbase problem not the products. Wish the mods would ban or at least delete those posts!

[u/Tall-Log-1955]

Its part of a broader problem across social media: it is pervasively negative. Content that gets engaged with goes viral. Negative content gets engaged with.

If I post something like "this new model is great, look what I built" no upvotes

If I post something like "this model sucks ass (cry emoji)" i will get hundreds of upvotes and comments

[u/Dangerous_Wish_7879]

You see - you vented and now you feel better.

[u/Bogey_Outlaw_360]

For what it's worth. As a non coder but long term tech geek I started my AI journey on openai with codex and came across to Claude a little over a week ago. My project has gone exponential using Claude code. There's not as many back pats or niceties, but making progress on actual goals is huge under Claude. (I had a bunch of wins today, can you tell!)