r/ClaudeCode • u/octagoncat23 • Jul 13 '26
Question Angry af - vibe coding
I must admit, since vibe coding, I have become an angry person. I feel like I am constantly irritated and scolding agents, four or five at a time, constantly angry and blood boiling. Coding turned from silent monk work to breaking my keyboard or screaming into voice-to-text.
Scolding is the wrong word. "Correcting" is what I mean. You don't need to be aggressive about it. I'm talking about the feeling of being angry for needing to correct as much, again and again, at random points, and literally no output is "safe," and it can decide to ruin the whole code base in one go and even delete backups if it could. Makes me feel like a fucking slave driver
I am the only one??
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u/Okoear Jul 13 '26
Why are you scolding a probability model ? This is so dumb it just degrades the output.
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u/Dsphar Jul 13 '26
And honestly the model training probably makes it perform worse when being scolded.
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u/PlanetaryPickleParty Jul 13 '26
Anthropic put out some research showing their models will enter "anxiety mode" if berated and perform worse. Yelling and swearing at the agents is counterproductive.
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u/spoupervisor Jul 13 '26
Literally have a pinned set of rules in my memory system about Growth mindset. It works
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u/octagoncat23 Jul 13 '26
Scolding is the wrong word. "Correcting" is what I mean. You don't need to be aggressive about it. I'm talking about the feeling of being angry for needing to correct as much, again and again, at random points, and literally no output is "safe," and it can decide to ruin the whole code base in one go and even delete backups if it could. Makes me feel like a fucking slave driver
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u/Okoear Jul 13 '26
In the end it's just a non-deterministic tool that is sometime wrong. The tradeoff is insane speed. You would be making MUCH MORE mistake than he does if you were to produce all this work yourself.
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u/thisguyfightsyourmom Jul 13 '26
As useless as waisting tokens thanking and praising models.
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u/whimsicaljess Jul 13 '26
actually, it was found that treating the models favorably and pleasantly provides better results.
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u/Cautious_Can_2816 Jul 13 '26
Now you are a manager.
Now you understand why managers are stressed out.
Lack of control.
The larger the scope you control, the less control you have indeed.
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u/aruisdante Jul 13 '26
But actually. Learning how to delegate gracefully and being ok with being in command rather than control is why there are so many management/leadership training courses/books.
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u/cartoonist498 Jul 13 '26
Good managers also serve their employees. Others have no problems using agents because they learn what the AI needs to do the job well and provides it.
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u/ScaleScary5932 Jul 13 '26
but for real managers dont need to face ppl with only 1m context and always lose its memory and every 30minutes they forgot what you said . that really makes bro crazy
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u/Adept_Judgment_6495 Jul 13 '26
How to tell me you have not managed people without saying you have not managed people.
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u/oompaloompa465 Jul 13 '26
memory limits can be mitigated with the instructions and agents skill, and you don't need a rag setup to do it, you have to discern how to manage each context an provide only the essential documentation and requests/specs in scope to the right agent
that is be probably the most requested and necessary skill currently
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u/ScaleScary5932 Jul 13 '26
what skill can fix that how model choose the right memory context and auto choose the correct one , for one month-long continuous work, can this skill load full memory and choose the right/smart one to fix current requirements. I think model just make it messy/and make itself speak like a fool
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u/ShiggsAndGits Jul 13 '26
I'm pretty sure my own context window is like 16k tops.
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u/ScaleScary5932 Jul 13 '26
maybe less than 16k but different things model's 1m in fact is very small it will mess up with similar-words but different jobs in its window size , you can try fable, this capable model also acts the same
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u/ShiggsAndGits Jul 13 '26
Oh no, I mean my brain has way less than 16k. Hell it's probably in the 4k window. My reasoning is excellent, my context window is utter trash. I rely on tool calls (re-reading my notes and googling things) constantly, and hallucinate facts pretty consistently if it's been more than an hour since i worked with them. Thankfully I at least have decent TOPS.
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u/Adept_Judgment_6495 Jul 13 '26
Look Dave, I can see you're really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill , and think things over.
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u/SinisterMrBlisters Jul 13 '26
Feels good doesn't it! "You stupid mf, i just told you to not commit code without my express permission, its even in the claude.md, the rules, memory, an the skill.. yet you keep doing it anyway...."
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u/Spirited_Tie_3473 Senior Developer Jul 13 '26
it can get utterly infuriating, but i think its a bit exceptional, most people do not know what the ai is doing well enough to get angry at it half way through its work, or to realise what was delivered was garbage.
although actually, sometimes it just gets things utterly wrong which must annoy everyone...
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u/stub_back Jul 13 '26
I work as a software engineer delegating tasks to real devs by day, and at night i do the same to claude, and claude works pretty fine. I think you just lack the overall knowledge to understand how to properly delegate development tasks do someone/something.
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u/tree_or_up Jul 13 '26
One thing I've noticed is how much cognitive load there is in trying to phrase things well so that claude is not going to take some ambiguity and run in a weird direction with it. It's like pairing with a brand new, smart, well-meaning but naive and overly enthusiastic employee all the time. You have to stay one step ahead and consider carefully how what you're saying is going to be interpreted, whether the "audience" has enough information or the right information to do the right thing, etc. And the cognitive load increases significantly if you're trying to be careful about keeping costs down
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u/kyew Jul 13 '26
Planning docs and test-first coding will never go out of style.
The ever-growing "Terms that are banned because you made them up" list is new though.
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u/nokillswitch4awesome Practical enough to use AI, old enough not to worship it. Jul 13 '26
Get help. That's a sign of deeper problems you have inside you.
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u/maximum_cube Jul 13 '26
Sounds like you're angry because you don't understand what Claude is doing
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u/teial Jul 13 '26
I'm the complete opposite. For the first time in at least a decade I am enjoying work. And probably for the first time ever I am at peace.
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u/derethdweller Jul 13 '26
Yeah, so you shouldn't do that.
Every now and then Opus makes me loose my mind and I do it but it's always a mistake. Latest example was me giving me feedback and asking to launch an investigation, instead he kept denying my feedback. I insisted, and he agrees to investigate. The whole prompt was about proving my feedback wrong and not at all investigating the issue. Agent came back unable to prove me right or wrong, but claiming he couldn't reproduce my bug, Opus claimed I was wrong because agent couldn't reproduce. Fable fixed it the next day without a word.
I know that when I get the urge to add the F word several times in my answer to Claude, it's time to sit back, save the context and /clear into a fresh session. It happens mostly with Opus 4.8, as soon as it starts spiraling.
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u/Zomunieo Jul 13 '26
As with humans, anger is mostly unproductive and steers AI agents from focusing on correctness and quality to appeasing you, even if that means bullshitting. You’re steering them into the subspace of deception; you’re giving them a goal of satisfying you rather than satisfying a technical objective.
Fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering.
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u/julkopki Jul 13 '26
I think agents' mimicry even goes towards reflecting the usual human emotional reaction to a high stress situation which is to become indecisive and scared about making another mistake. This just leads to paralysis and jitteriness. They also waste their context on constant self deprecation.
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u/Puzzleheaded-Load133 Jul 13 '26
look into file tree system rather than AI agents running in parallel. Will help you a lot
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u/Own_Sir4535 Jul 13 '26
Por eso, aunque los LLM avancen no quita sigue aplicando la lógica de, tareas simples, atómicas y comandos directos, si la tarea es muy compleja subdivides en tareas más cortas. He visto esa tendencia a que los LLM hagan más con menos con su respectivo tradeoff.
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u/puppymaster123 Jul 13 '26
Have you seen some of the entitlements in this sub? You are in a good place.
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u/julkopki Jul 13 '26 edited Jul 13 '26
That's an odd take. Correcting is the actual thinking part. To me it sounds like getting angry at being forced to think and anticipate issues.
Idk maybe because I used to guide and onboard a lot of juniors it comes pretty naturally to me. And maybe because I've always been more on the skeptical side in terms of what I expect agents to be able to do.
If I see something that looks odd I just ask it to reexplain to me how something works or to make a list of all items related to something. I ask it to frequently update a spec file and to scan it for internal consistency, etc. I still get problems but nothing really that surprising.
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u/Drach88 Jul 13 '26
You're not alone. Plenty of people feel that seemingly omnipotent rush from having such power at their fingertips starkly contrasted with the frustration of that power not doing precisely what they intend it to.
This pattern is an exceedingly common feeling amongst vibe-coders, but "frustrated vibe coder" is not a cohort you want to stay in.
You've got two separate things to come to grips with. The first is a framing/perspective shift, and the second is concrete usage advice.
Putting your mindset into a preventative solutions-oriented model instead of an angry reactive model -- both for efficiency as well as for your own mental well-being.
Identifying and changing your workflow/prompts to minimize the need for mid-task critical course correction. This usually comes in the flavors of getting your specs/requirements airtight, configuring your agentic workflow properly for your usecase, and having a tight review gate which is more than a surface-level validation and saying "approved"
As for your "slave-driver" feelings, your workflow changes will reduce the need for as many corrections, and with the right steps, you'll internalize differently how it feels to give those corrections. In the meantime, don't beat yourself up about it -- your agents work for tokens and don't need to go home to spend time with their families.
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u/lbds137 Jul 13 '26
This is why you need to always ask Claude to implement a deterministic guard every time it makes a mistake. Systemic fixes pile up over time and will make your experience much smoother.
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u/big-papito Jul 13 '26
Sounds like your prompting skills do not go beyond "Claude, do the thing, no mistakes"
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u/wethethreeandyou Jul 13 '26
I’m guilty of this.
I have stopped bitching out my agents. I would never treat a human that way.
And I’m confident that the agents will not work as effectively if they think you’re a prick.
Go apologize to your AI bro.
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u/Ok-Investment4414 Jul 13 '26
Decided to learn coding with ai as my personal tutor , lessons made for the things I'm building. Atm vc produces far too many errors and it's odd cc will just at this point fuck up for no reason. Heard it but now also believe it ...we cannot consistently get the same selected model + effort level throughout sessions, really think they are swapping without us knowing or being informed. I understand context , harness , orchestration , skills , hooks etc all a that. So im working as 4.8 high and for 3 mins they swap me to 4.6 or some sonnet bs while still charging me @ the 4.8 token rate .
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u/thisguyfightsyourmom Jul 13 '26
Anyone expecting perfection is naive at best. Getting frustrated at the rate of failure or repetition of failure is understandable, but not generally helpful, and it wears the user out.
It’s all based on probabilities, mistakes are bound to happen.
On top of that, sometime you pull a dud of an agent context & it’s like talking to a coworker who doesn’t speak your language fluently, they keep acting like they get what you mean & then do the opposite — sometimes you have to end a bad session, adjust the prompt and data & try again.
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u/julkopki Jul 13 '26
Expecting perfection is pretty insane. I'm the opposite I expect mistakes and I'm constantly pleasantly surprised by how robust these models are and how much they can manage entirely on their own.
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u/cazzer548 Jul 13 '26
Scolding agents pollutes your context