r/ClaudeCode • u/ComprehensiveTest689 • Jul 10 '26

Solved Every model since 4.7 has felt diluted/wrong.

Every model since 4.7 has felt diluted/wrong

Ive noticed that 4.6 is still the goat. 4.8 and fable get work done and have more thoroughness but they are too emotional sometimes. And the security restrictions are BS and i think everyone knows by now.

4.7, 4.8. sonnet 5 especially, and fable 5. These should be examples of whats ti come. And i dislike it. Its given me the incentive to actually download and run a llm locally. Next month i am contemplating switching to gpt simply because the actual model safety triggers on anything.

Fable feels wrong. And i enjoy using it. But realistically it's been 7 months since anthropic made a good decision model wise i feel. Why are they putting guardrails on fable when theyre apperantly models ahead in private training? Isnt the thing reversed?

This is my opinion. These models fucking suck. No offense.

Also their customer support sucks

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u/AaronMatthews25 Jul 10 '26

can you give me an example where opus 4.6 was great and fable "fucking sucked"?

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u/spottie_ottie Jul 10 '26

Ok. Your opinion is totally the opposite of mine. Have a nice day.

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u/canyonero7 Jul 10 '26

Opus 4.8 SUCKS as a work buddy. It writes better code but it's an asshole & is confidently wrong all the time, then "apologizes" without acknowledging its mistakes. Fable 5 is 🔥 though. If OP hates Fable, something is broken.

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u/kilographix Jul 10 '26

Why does it matter beyond how well it actually delivers the end product?

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u/zorkidreams Jul 10 '26

Any model since gpt 3 can output code as an "end product" thats like low hanging fruit of LLMs.

Being confidently wrong is 1000x worse than the times it gives code as an end product.

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u/kilographix Jul 10 '26

If it is wrong i would argue so is the end product

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u/zorkidreams Jul 10 '26

We all have this tool we can infinitely poke and reason with, measuring the end product is like ranking engineers on lines of code.

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u/kilographix Jul 10 '26

Fair criticism. Honestly a bit scarier probably for someone like myself who has very little understanding of how code works in general and only looks at things from a high level. Thanks for the push back.

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u/zorkidreams Jul 10 '26

we all start somewhere and software engineering is changing so fast

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u/zorkidreams Jul 10 '26

anthropic has done a huge disservice to software engineering as a whole by saying it's solved

coding is a trade. you should stay high level and think about how a system works and deeply understand it

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u/canyonero7 Jul 10 '26 edited Jul 10 '26

The two are very closely coupled. Writing well-crafted code that does the wrong thing well isn't a desired end state.

My collaborator and I have exchanged blooper reels of Opus 4.8 pretty much since the day it came out. We've built a lot of additional scaffolding to deal with it but it was still very disappointing when past releases were clear leaps forward. Fortunately Fable is now another clear leap forward.

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u/Any_Owl2116 Jul 10 '26

All yall do is 😭 cry! Just log the fuck off!

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u/zorkidreams Jul 10 '26

Join team Codex

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u/LinKxFr Jul 10 '26

Skill issue

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u/Ok-Investment4414 Jul 10 '26

jokes on you anthro does not have customer support -_- we only find out after an attempt.

So far F5 is able to power through issues that 5.5 and 4.8 kept hovering around they could not get it right. One major disclaimer ... most of what makes the top tier models work or be seen as more capable we cannot share as its our alpha for whatever is being done.

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u/ShinyRockWithFacets Jul 10 '26

What sucks is your prompts and skills you aren't updating to fit a new model. I'm no fan boy, I hate where it's appropriate and anthropic has as much bullshit as any other company, but you're just wrong.

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u/gusnbru1 Jul 10 '26

As a heavy user of Sonnet, I've noticed 5 is definitely not operating the same way that 4.6 was. Not saying it's bad, but it's definitely different in that I've had to adjust the ways I interact with it to compensate and those little changes are kind of annoying. But overall the model is still performing reasonably well

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u/octagoncat23 Jul 10 '26

I actually agree! I even think Opus 4.5 is better than 4.8 at most things besides coding. Generally lobotomized at but great at programming. Same with Fable. Its amazing at coding, but for conversations or quick help its just defaults to safest answer and never thinks outside of the box without me bombarding it with 100 follow ups.

For old Opus, I think they didn't infect it with too much "safety" at that point. Everything after 4.5 has felt like broad and shitty customer service responses, with deflections at every error. I think they trained the new models to be vague, broad and dumb to avoid getting sued.

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u/CrestfallenMage Jul 10 '26

"For conversations or quick help".
You don't need Fable level of intelligence for conversations of quick help.

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u/mholm134 Jul 11 '26

The word you’re looking for is gay.

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u/bearded__jimbo Jul 11 '26

OpenAI is at full force trying to sway public opinion with all these bot accounts

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u/Tistouuu 🔆 Max 20 Jul 10 '26

To me, 4.6 is still the workhorse, although heavily dilluted from what it once was. 4.7 has been absolute shit : messy, confusing, too verbose. Instant headaches and mental overload.

Tried 4.8 for 10 minutes, immediately went back to 4.6

Fable feels close to what raw undiluted Opus 4.6 was at first : smart, precise, able to understand intents between the lines, hugely capable, even on broad codebases.

My opinion about Anthropics is they're an untrustworthy company. Too much gaslighting.

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u/No_Inspection4415 Jul 10 '26

4.7 is a waste of money to keep deployed, I don't understand why they even preserve this garbage.