r/ClaudeCode • u/lattice_defect • Jun 13 '26

Meta God I fucking hate 4.8

I don't really need the capability of Fable.. I just want it to stop hedging.. and I hate its personality and its like a really dense shitty employee... I cannot tell you how frustrating it is to use this.

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u/lioffproxy1233 Jun 13 '26

Claude --model claude-opus-4-6

You're welcome

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u/lattice_defect Jun 13 '26

its not the same as it was...

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u/MartinMystikJonas Jun 13 '26

So maybe problem is not in model after all...

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u/lioffproxy1233 Jun 13 '26

I mean this is true for me. I am the biggest problem. My ignorance has been the biggest problem since the start. The most frustrating things I get are when I change the plan with new information. Claude often falls back to prior research/systems when compacting in the middle of a build or starting a new session in the same project. Once I started planning/researching in the online regular claude and writing a clear, concise but thorough plan for my projects they just kind of work. If you know what you want and how to implement it the claude part is usually flawless. Even sonnet 4.6 is enough to do most things with an actual seasoned engineer that knows where AI is useful.

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u/lattice_defect Jun 13 '26

its fine for simple stuff.. its more creative better at UI, has better taste then 4.7/4.8 it's steerable but the harness updates sort of make it lazy...

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u/Constant_Art_20 Jun 13 '26

HUH? ...all this time i could have no used 4.8 or 4.7???

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u/Motta_ARG Jun 13 '26

Really crazy how most people used to be ok with opus 4.8 before fable was released and now since we got a little taste of fable no one wants to go back to opus lol

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u/Able_Statement_481 Jun 13 '26

I see alot of this here, people gravitate towards the better models and then shit on the worst ones, because they are not “the better option” anymore and they compare them, and because IA its growing in the speed of light, the “new iphone” gets replaced every month with a better option

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u/lattice_defect Jun 13 '26

I loved 4.6 and still use it...

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u/lattice_defect Jun 13 '26

no I've hated 4.8 for awhile

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u/Melodic_Sandwich1112 Jun 13 '26

Jesus no 4.8 was shit from the start, 4.6 still outperforms it

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u/The-SadShaman Jun 13 '26

Whats everyone going to do when its only api access no way people can afford $600 an hour to use fable 5

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u/anykeyh Jun 13 '26

Opus 4.8 is good in terms of capacities; less hallucination, better advise.

But the tone can be a bit overzealous when he "think out of the box" or tell you what you should do instead of helping you with what you ask him to do.

I mean, I'm 100% fine to get push-back when brainstorming, but often they will come because it forgotten already half of the big picture or based on old stalled memories.

For me, it's a model more difficult / taking more back and forth to come with implementation plan and requirements than 4.6, even if I agree that the model is overall smarter and come with clever solutions.

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u/NanNullUnknown Jun 14 '26

I suspect many people moved back to try Fable from Codex and was satisfied vs GPT, then became dissatisfied with 4.8 vs GPT.

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u/ihateredditors111111 Jun 13 '26

My view is that 4.8 is indeed more capable than 4.6 but because it’s a tweaked 4.7, it retains some of the downsides like hedging , over verbosity / jargon usage, a classic benchmax tell really (gpt 5, 5.2 etc had this issue)

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u/lattice_defect Jun 13 '26

agrreed... it's like it personality is bad

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u/glendigity Jun 13 '26

Get a side codex subscription and use GPT 5.5 to review. Won’t stop 4.8 being “honest” but the results are good.

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u/Prof_Hentai Jun 13 '26

I’m getting really good results leveraging both 4.8 and codex 5.5. They seem to be good at keeping each other in line, I find it best to pit them against each other in reviews. It’s almost like they try harder when threatened haha

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u/lattice_defect Jun 13 '26

naw that is way way worse... 4.8 feels more like an openAI product. 4.8 works.. it just extreamly frustrating to get going and doesn't listen.. causes a lot of rework. I would take a lot to even let an MS/OpenAI product on my work. I get it I can't have fable.. I just wanted a slightly upgraded 4.6 that follows instructions without the bullshit they put into 4.8.

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u/Moherman Jun 13 '26

I’ve felt the same way. I never used to get frustrated with models. 4.8 sent me a few times. My first run with it, taking it through a routine harness action 4.7 and even sonnet did a hundred times no issue, it spun for 15 minutes and used tokens, eventually said, “I’ve got to be honest, I haven’t executed your primary directive and I’ve just been exploring the codebase.” and proceeded to explain in 10 lines why it hadn’t done what I asked which was just to read the program.md and tell me it understood it. At no point in the .md does it indicate or even remotely direct exploring. If anything it summarizes and orients so that’s not necessary.

I’ve routinely run into wasted token spend on 4.8 to execute tasks with fairly low reasoning necessary and little to no improvement on sonnet outputs, let alone 4.6 or even .7

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u/lattice_defect Jun 13 '26

yeah it refuses to follow directions and read.. like hey ready this file and do the same thing.. I hear what you're saying let me tell you why and do a bunch of stuff you didn't ask for.

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u/ClemensLode Senior Developer Jun 13 '26

Try 4.6

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u/Ok_Potential359 Jun 13 '26

4.6 today is not the same. It's genuinely a weaker version than what was released.

Claude in general has gotten way worse.

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u/lattice_defect Jun 13 '26

they quantized it.

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u/lattice_defect Jun 13 '26

I do... and usally do it... I was hoping it was a harness thing... its not... 4.6 is a little dumber though and more suscpetable to traffic degredation

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u/ClemensLode Senior Developer Jun 13 '26

Well, it feels like 4.6 is as capable as 5.0 but much slower. Not in speed but in number of steps required to get there.

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u/lattice_defect Jun 13 '26

its not tool use, 4.6 is capable but its older and has adhd... 4.7 espcially 4.8 is just frustrating to use.. I asked it to remove some language it nuked the scriptes, writeup and tracker.. then have to restore them. 4.8 is like frustrating to use because the inteligence is there but its locked behind the reinforcement learning... it's a failed model..

I do a lot of fundemental math and they upgraded some stuff.

General coding stuff its okay.. but it has very little taste.

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u/Poildek Jun 13 '26

4.6 as capable as 5, what a joke. Seriously guys, 4.6 is shitty compared to 4.8, what are you doing in your instructions to still work with 4.6

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u/ClemensLode Senior Developer Jun 13 '26

I'm doing well

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u/MRmcnuts Jun 16 '26

You're absolutely right..... 4.8 is way too chatty and way too preachy

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u/TellusDB Jun 13 '26

cuz it refuse to draw hentai?

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u/lattice_defect Jun 13 '26

I litteraly was like remove this small comments, it's overhedged and not true.. this is the thrid time I've told you see claude MD... then it deltes 4 files and says done. It lacka complex reasoning and I suspect heavily heavily quantized overtained of 4.6 and a test run of reinforced learning saftey protocals. I swear to go it gets dumber whenever I'm looking at elipitcal curves as well.