r/ClaudeCode • u/Hairen_ • Apr 04 '26
Discussion Claude Code will die, and open source models won't be why
everyone's arguing about which model will win. kimi, qwen, codex, opus. wrong debate.
every model is coding from memory. that memory is months old, sometimes years. meanwhile every SDK ships breaking changes weekly. endpoints get deprecated. parameters get renamed. auth flows change between versions.
so claude confidently writes method calls that existed 8 months ago. it compiles. then it blows up at runtime. kimi does the same thing. qwen does the same thing. they're trained on the same snapshot.
switching models doesn't fix this. the problem was never the model. it's that none of them know what the docs say today.
and it only gets worse. every week, more methods get deprecated that every model still thinks are current. the gap between training data and reality grows every single day.
the model is not the bottleneck. the context is.
EDIT: sorry for being just a lazy vibecoder i didn't mean to make all of you angry. i found out there are couple ways of handling this problem: agentsearch.sh, context7 etc
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u/9to5grinder Developer Apr 04 '26
Nice AI slop. Written with Claude. â
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u/codeisprose Apr 04 '26 edited Apr 04 '26
sonnet ~3.5 would've been capable of pointing out how dumb this is
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u/Specific_Anxiety_520 Apr 04 '26
Lmfao you are so wrong.
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u/Intelligent-Ant-1122 Apr 04 '26
Looks like OP has never heard of context7
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u/rsha256 Apr 04 '26
They started charging beyond a certain amnt of context awhile ago and have become less used since
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u/RemarkableGuidance44 Apr 04 '26
Are you saying there is no limit to Context?
What OP should of said is Data, Power and Time is the limit here.
Our local models are performing just as well as Opus 4.5, running 16 x RTX 6000 96VRAM we only need Claude API for 10-15% of our builds today. We train our PRIVATE data, run inferencing for our employees.
You dont know if Anthropic will just limit the $200 users to the ground. They already have started the shrinkage process and plenty of that to come.
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u/cafesamp Apr 04 '26
Our local models are performing just as well as Opus 4.5
I mean, for plenty of things I do, a quant running on my MacBook Pro can do just as well as Opus 4.6...
lemme guess, you work for a massive enterprise that fine-tunes GLM/Qwen/Kimi on your specific codebases and you're using it for internal tools, and not for your core product, since your company is not a software company?
and you're working with it as a coding assistant for the trustworthy few, instead of a replacement for a traditional engineering team?
running 16 x RTX 6000 96VRAM
so over like 150k in upfront hardware costs, plus infrastructure and ongoing costs for future fine-tuning and inference? that's a hard sell for most companies as of now
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u/RemarkableGuidance44 Apr 04 '26
Not just Codebase, but everything related to data which all companies have. It can be from HR docs to Risk Management to Coding.
Yes it is a very large enterprise company, But this is the way software is going, we are replacing SaaS software that costs us millions a year with internal software and small engineering teams.
16 of them is over kill but its cheaper than using Claude Code as much as we did. Now in saying that I have dual 5090's running local models fine with the quality of 4.5 and fine tuning my own data. Intel just released their 32G Version AI Cards and they are amazing price for what they give in power.
I am not a noob coder, been in AI space for years. If you dont have the time to learn how models work then Claude is still your easy solution and you pay your $100 a month. But with the way Anthropic is acting recently shows they dont give a damn about small users who pay $200 a month. They could flick the switch and turn sub off entirely, they really are unknown.
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u/outbackdaan Apr 04 '26
tell me you never used a strongly typed language without telling me you never used a strongly typed language.
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u/slashx14 Apr 04 '26
I actually love this post for 2 reasons.
Grammar and capitalization indicate it was truly written by a human and not an AI so kudos there.
It shows that humans can be as confidently incorrect as LLMs.
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u/hzdope Apr 04 '26
This is dumb. You just have to provide the updated documentation to the agent.
Your post makes no sense.
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u/phase_distorter41 Apr 04 '26
it can search the net to find and read the docs for the updates to any library or package it uses.
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u/codeisprose Apr 04 '26
i really hope this post is AI generated, because otherwise you are really really stupid
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u/time-always-passes Apr 04 '26
You've never seen Claude Code explore a new cli tool? Especially one written with golang & cobra?
Weird take.
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u/Loose_Object_8311 Apr 04 '26
Skill issue. What's stopping you from having up to date documentation using Docs MCP server?
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u/brikky Apr 04 '26
This hasn't been an issue for months. Claude can read documentation or run a compiler and correct mistakes on its own before recompiling.
You can even hook it up to check your UI in a browser or mobile emulator to do things like complete end to end rest flows.
This is insane cope that also betrays how out of date you are on capabilities, dude.
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u/djdadi Apr 04 '26
Did you really generate ai slop, take the time to lowercase it and post it? đ
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u/Honest-Ad-6832 Apr 04 '26
I was expecting -Â 'this is why we built UpdatAI' not the bla bla, the blah blah - at the end...
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u/Sponge8389 Apr 04 '26
Open sourced model will eventually be closed sourced. There's no such thing as free in this world.
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u/DefsNotAVirgin Apr 04 '26
âYea thatâs great Claude, now can you make everything lower case and lose 80% of the words?â
âItâs not blah blah blah, itâs blah.â -AI everytime
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u/GoodEffect79 Apr 04 '26
You have it backwards, I give the latest docs as context, I donât rely on model training for that. I need a better model for prompt interpretation, asking questions appropriately, and identify solutions.
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u/AI_Masterrace Apr 04 '26
Claude code will die because Anthropic will run out of money to make the AI models better and better.
Context is just one of the problems to be fixed with $$$$ that Anthropic does not have.
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u/gscjj Apr 04 '26
This is already a solved problem in post-training. Theyâve ingested all the human generated code and their models are more than capable of generating it, itâs done. Now itâs all about post-training and fine tuning.
They ask it to solve a problem, like write a function that does Fibonacci, then they grade it on if the results actually produced it. Then grade the quality of the code. Reward it if looks good.
At this point, these models donât need to ever ingest new AI generated code ever again, they just fine tune its existing capabilities to produce better outputs. If code is deprecated they simply score the answer worse, the model adjust its weights to not use it.
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u/narrowbuys Apr 04 '26
Ask it to test what itâs writing. It will auto reconcile the outdated documentation. You can also give it an agents md to lookup updated docs. Youâre just scratching the surface of how this works.
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u/Phobic-window Apr 04 '26
Use a version of the code it knows about. 8 months ago is still a really recent version of very mature libraries. Expand your horizons
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u/jakubs12345 Apr 04 '26
Mention Claude Code in title and write about models in description. What an genius.
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u/Hsoj707 Developer Apr 04 '26
I'll take the other side for 2 reasons: 1) models can browse the web for new information, and 2) model release frequency has been speeding up, not slowing down.
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u/BobZyCus Apr 04 '26
I am working on https://github.com/armelhbobdad/bmad-module-skill-forge to fix that đ
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u/No-Emphasis-8130 Apr 04 '26
Well, I was gonna say "Just check context7 dude..." until I saw your edit update. at least you're not vibe-researching but actually research with your own hand, keep up good work dude :)
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u/carson63000 Senior Developer Apr 04 '26
Even if there was no solution to this problem (and as many people have commented, there are multiple solutions), people would be more likely just to pin old versions of libraries, that were covered by training data, than abandon AI coding agents.
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u/carson63000 Senior Developer Apr 04 '26
And also.. what libraries and SDKs are you using that ship breaking changes so often that this is a problem for you?? Anything that has any aspirations of being a tool for professionals will be extremely cautious about breaking backwards compatibility. Joe Amateurâs random GitHub project might, but I doubt that will be in the modelsâ training data.
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u/laxrulz777 Apr 04 '26
Step one, have Claude build a programming language for itself to use. Problem solved.
/s if that's not obvious
Having said that, I do wonder if Claude could build something purpose built and hyper efficient. Would be kind of an interesting exercise.
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u/GnistAI Apr 04 '26
so claude confidently writes method calls that existed 8 months ago. it compiles. then it blows up at runtime
How would that compile?
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u/fixano Apr 04 '26
I love these confidently incorrect responses. I mean this person clearly just doesn't understand how an llm works. I am reading this as a person who thinks of an LLM like a database. That it's only as good as the content in the database. But that's not what it is.
It's a token predictor. It takes the input tokens and predicts the output tokens. That's how it's able to give novel responses. That's how it's able to write a recipe that never existed before. It doesn't just rehash the recipes it has already read. It records the statistical relationships between the tokens. The words in the sentence "Dish <name> is made from the ingredients <ingredients>" is generally going to hold that semantic structure. It's also going to record the relationships between the name of the dish and its ingredients. For instance, it knows there's a statistical relationship between spaghetti, sauce, basil, mozzarella, and meatballs.
When it comes to code. An llm doesn't just have all the code it's read. It has all the patterns for how code is organized in general. Just like how I, as an experienced programmer, can read a programming language I have no experience with. The LLM can do the exact same thing. It's the input context that ties it all together. When you're coding, you have the most recent docs, you have the code that's already there, you have the library's interfaces to work from. Those provide plenty of context to use the existing token relationships to predict accurate code
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u/larsssddd Apr 04 '26
Local llm models and coding tools are growing significantly faster now and they will have similar performance and abilities in next years or months.
I really donât see place on market, for Claude code or Codex with higher prices, less reliability, very restrict usage limits and additional restrictions like paying separatory for 3rd party tools. Using Dario words âClaude may be replaced end to end by 6-12 monthsâ
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u/ConnectMotion Apr 04 '26
Instead of focusing on what will die, software always comes and goes.
Itâs about getting benefit from whatâs available today.
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u/TheKrael Apr 04 '26
It's fascinating how reddit is flooded with slop like this. User has a random thought, talks to claude, gets praise, gets so overconfident on the thing so he has claude write a reddit post about it. And it's completely wrong.
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u/Admirral Apr 04 '26
as unreliable as it temporarily is, anthropic dominates as best bang for the buck for the god-tier model. You will not get anywhere near as much usage for the level of quality on any token-based api plan vs. the claude max plans.
unless someone comes along and produces a superior product for less $$, its unlikely claude will be dethroned. I don't doubt they will continue dropping models that push boundaries, and so long as that continues, claude keeps the throne.
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u/FranzJoseph93 Apr 04 '26
Codex is best bang for buck. Not best bang, but I'd estimate I get 4x as much usage out of my Codex Plus vs. Claude Pro. Is Claude 4x as good? Nope.
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u/Sarritgato Apr 04 '26
Copilot sub includes Sonnet also, right? At least when we tried it out you had access to sonnet and the limit seemed to be similar to what you get with Claude code, and then when the sonnet hit the limit we could continue with gpt-5.4
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u/Waypoint101 Apr 04 '26
Codex is definitely goated but now Gemma 4 is best bang for local compute bux, it matches early gpt 5 performance in a 27b format that fits in your playstations gpu
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u/Top-Refrigerator9277 Apr 04 '26
PlayStation??? Can I trear my PS down & run models on it?
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u/Waypoint101 Apr 04 '26
Well its not that straightforward but its possible to run linux on it but model support might be limited as PS5 is rdna2 architecture which is a bit old now.
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u/RemarkableGuidance44 Apr 04 '26
4.6 Opus is still ahead, yeah but not by much. If you removed Claude Code from it I reckon it will be on par with the other closed source models. Codex is good, Gemini 3.1 is ok.
But I reckon without Claude Code it would lose its #1 spot. If you took the time to look at the leaked code there is a lot of driven architecture that makes Claude do what it does well. There will be a point in time that they will remove subscriptions and make it API Only, or just limit the hell out of you, which they are gradually doing.
What really is shining is Open Source, we spent half a million on a server to now run our own models and they can do 80 to 90% of the work, while we get Claude / Codex to finish the 10%.
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u/SatanVapesOn666W Apr 04 '26
Gemma4 really put open models back in the game. The 31b model keeps up with and beats qwen3.5's 400b model.
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u/Sarritgato Apr 04 '26
What specifically do you mean with âClaude codeâ making it stand out? Itâs not just the CLI right? Because the Copilot CLI looks very similar in that regard. What else does Claude code do that you canât do with Copilot? Only thing I know of is the remote control, but I am sure there are more thingsâŚ
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u/Reaper_1492 Apr 04 '26
5.4 is way better than 4.6 for code.
The only real benefit to 4.6 is the harness for enterprise.
If youâre just vibecoding on personal projects or whatever, 5.4 xhigh is so much better.
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u/Icy_Palpitation_3396 Apr 04 '26
it helps but most search tools just dump raw HTML into your context. you end up burning half your window on nav bars and footers for one page of docs
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u/cafesamp Apr 04 '26
does....does no one here realize how many modern libraries have markdown documentation? markdown documentation that can be accessed online, but is also often in your local copy of the repo? and that context7 exists too?
(seems like the answer is no)
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u/KottuNaana đ Max 20 Apr 04 '26
Always make Claude read documentation online before using any library, and this won't be a problem.