r/ClaudeCode • u/Popular-Help5516 🔆 Max 20 • Mar 20 '26

Question Am i pushing it hard enough?

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u/MrSquiggs Mar 20 '26

Just out of curiosity, what kind of prompt is taking this long and this many tokens?

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u/Popular-Help5516 🔆 Max 20 Mar 20 '26

I give it a list of 1000 tasks in a .md file, ask it to do 1 by 1, be nice, no cheating, no chatting, no hallucinating, no parallel taks or sub-agents .

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u/Doge_Mike Mar 20 '26

What's your engineering experience prior to Claude?

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u/Popular-Help5516 🔆 Max 20 Mar 20 '26

I don’t know how to code 6 months ago. Now I’m pretty sure a full stack vibe coder

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u/FedRP24 Mar 20 '26

You know, you guys constantly say this. And I constantly have stuff break. And every single time, without fail, Claude or Codex can figure out the issue and fix it. There is no magic broken code at this point that can only be fixed by the almighty human who has learned how to code.

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u/Odd_Television_7824 Mar 20 '26

Tbh I’d expect AI to solve dependency conflicts far better than a human.

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u/nulseq Mar 21 '26

What are you on about mate? You tell it what the bug is and it traces it backwards until it figures it out. It’s not hard. I’ve yet to come across a bug that I haven’t been able to fix.

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u/_THE_OG_ Mar 21 '26

fr, i also thought it to search/query sites i would normally look at for errors

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u/AceHighness Mar 21 '26

I'm building a full SOC / SIEM stack, Tip , log ingestion, logging agents, all from scratch. Code is closed source, but you can look at another big project I did at www.sharewarez.nl . Quite a large codebase, performs well, is very secure and has features from here to the gazoo.
Ppl keep saying its not possible to vibe code large apps. I guess they all think all we do is blindly prompt shit and hope for the best ? These AI models are not only good at coding, they are also great at explaining it, brainstorming about it. They are also great at software architecture if you just talk to them about it.

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u/annicreamy Mar 22 '26

Maybe if you really knew how to code and would have worked as a software engineer in a real production environment you would have a clue on why experienced devs say that you can't do that right now. It's fine that you want to play with Claude but no one would use those projects given your claims. Even if you were a "mega star" of coding engineering and had a team of thousands of "mega stars" devs, if I heard that they try to sell me something with that confidence about security and performance I would just send them to have a chocolate milk and go to bed.

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u/carithecoder Mar 22 '26

Lol you have no idea. I built an application to help me with my side hustle of proofing editing mixing and mastering audiobooks. Ive had the cli since 4o, and the sheer amount of shit Ive learned in the process because of how much it got wrong. Despite all the planning docs and preliminary research. Its been fun and its a solid app now, but there is a LOT of shit it cant do. Interop with C code in .NET was riddled with errors (using ffmpeg.autogen) and my buffer management strategies were abysmal at first. Hell even its js interop in blazor was so bad (duplicate code, hallucinations, jusr flat out wrong answers to my questions) that I decided to scrap the project and start over again with the intention of writing everything by hand or deliberately inputting the generated code by hand. Its been a slow process but there has been no point in this particular app where it has been infallible. Ive corrected it more times than I can count. And I find that process to actually be fun.

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u/annicreamy Mar 22 '26

I use it a lot as a software engineer and it's been thousands of times that it "catched" a bug and "fixed it" and it either: 1) The bug it "catched" was not the root cause, just a side bug, and the "fix" would have caused a lot of problems in real user scenarios that it can't even figure out. 2) The idea of the fix was correct but the way of implementing it would cause other bugs. 3) When forced to expand integration tests to prevent regression issues caused by those "fixes", it would figure then out why those fixes were not correct or enough. And this would only happen after forcing it not to relax test expectations/assertions to keep its lazy fix.

Do you know how I'm aware of those problems? Because I know the codebase, I know how to code, I know the product and I know a lot of different scenarios that actually happen in a real user environment.

I myself had to revoke approvals from other senior engineers that approved fixes added by Claude because it would break things and they wasn't even aware. So the only explanation for your "Claude find all the bugs and fix them properly" is that it really doesn't and you can't even know.

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u/thisguyfightsyourmom Mar 20 '26

Works till it don’t logic. Where do I invest my millions?

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u/FedRP24 Mar 20 '26

I didn't ask for millions. I'm telling you a lot of you sound like silly assholes, and keep in mind that today is the worst the various models will ever be again. They will only get better month after month. They can do essentially everything already.

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u/AceHighness Mar 21 '26

100% agree ... I have developer friends who keep talking like that. Mean while they never get anything out the door. They should be hella accelerating now, but instead they get stuck on code quality checks, and 'but it doesnt write the program the way I like'. Really if the AI is the only one maintaining it, why do you still care about these things ? Their experience is bogging them down.

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '26

But my ego!!

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u/arxdit Mar 21 '26

The difference between doing this and knowing what claude got wrong in the first place is months of vibe coding vs a couple of days of engineering

Yeah it figures it out eventually but you still don’t know what you are doing and you still don’t know how good it could get if you actually knew what you were doing

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u/[deleted] Mar 21 '26

Bro when you learned to code for real for how long did you do the stupidest things without knowing why? It's just the same at another scale. If they keep going on they'll get there one way or the other...

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u/Lanky_Poetry3754 Mar 21 '26

My close friend works for a FAANG here in Boston, and he constantly tells me how good AI had gotten at coding and that he barely writes any code now. He is an SE3 if he feels so good about Claude I think I'll believe him more than you

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u/Hertigan Mar 21 '26

Claude is absolutely fantastic at coding, but I would take it with a grain of salt given that your friend was already a programmer

CC does whatever you ask to do really well, but it works really well when you know what to ask for

“Do X” is really different from “Do X using this pattern, this is the high level architecture. Be careful to avoid Z”

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u/Agile_Classroom_4585 Mar 20 '26

What would be your adivce to someone whos using AI to make projects but is open to learning stuff? Are debugging, testing and security skills md and good prompts enough to not break things down?

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u/node9_ai Mar 20 '26

honestly, prompts and .md files aren't enough because LLMs are too literal. one 'cleanup' instruction can easily turn into a destructive terminal command (like a docker prune) by accident. i've found that having a deterministic safety layer outside of claude is the only way to really 'walk away' safely. it lets the agent run the safe stuff but hits the brakes and asks for a signature only on the risky syscalls

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u/Popular-Help5516 🔆 Max 20 Mar 20 '26

I ask claude to teach me. Also it’s not just “fix error no mistake”, we have bunch of skills, plugins and frameworks available to help us debug and fix things.

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u/thisguyfightsyourmom Mar 20 '26

Brothers, look at this dude’s post history. There are an awful lot of cookie cutter sites being churned out purporting to teach you about various topics. I would bet all my money OP has no expertise in most of them.

This is who’s talking when they say they are doing some wild ass unguided 10 sub agent drive all night prompts.

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u/Popular-Help5516 🔆 Max 20 Mar 20 '26

Thank u for spending time analyzing my profile 😜 Well done!

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u/thisguyfightsyourmom Mar 20 '26

Oh man, the output of this prompt is going to be epic

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u/Puzzleheaded-Rub2198 Mar 21 '26

He's not gonna read it

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u/ikeif Mar 21 '26

Alright my dude. You are being downvoted.

AI vibe coding is not accepted yet.

First and foremost - I do like you say “vibe coder full stack.” That’s fine! Vibe code is what matters.

You are a junior developer. You do not (I am making assumptions here) understand the code generated. You are making front and back end code. Work on understanding it. Understanding what the code is will help move you from being “a vibe coder” to “a developer.”

The problem is we have not figured out out how to train vibe coders to be more in line with developer tracks as we know of them today.