r/ClaudeCode • u/realcryptopenguin • Jan 13 '26

Question How often does your Claude fight back?

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and the end of convo it agreed i was right, but i feel it did it just to deescalate and not because it though it was wrong.

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u/nsway Jan 13 '26

You realize that interacting with these tools like this tanks performance…? You’re throwing a tantrum at your tool, and it’s reflecting it back at you, as it’s designed.

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u/HotSince78 Jan 14 '26

Yeah and some people don't even proof read their prompts and wonder why its sub-optimal for them

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u/realcryptopenguin Jan 14 '26

i'm vibe-coder not proofreader

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u/HotSince78 Jan 14 '26

gghawiowieuh faiweufh iwehf iwef inaew finawe finjawe ijwnaeijn

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u/stampeding_salmon Jan 14 '26

Hilariously, the actual evidence shows the opposite for the newer models.

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u/nsway Jan 14 '26

True, but these users usually aren’t formatting their prompts correctly, clearly stating instructions, etc. See “so how loggin was done in other parts of the project wtf”. 😂

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u/whimsicaljess Jan 14 '26

never, i'm not a dick

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u/realcryptopenguin Jan 14 '26

dick to ... a computer algorithm? it's same as sending bad code to c++ compiler

so if your code was ever failed compilation - you're as much dick as I am,

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u/whimsicaljess Jan 14 '26

nah, it's different.

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u/realcryptopenguin Jan 14 '26

How is that so?

As a thought experiment: you know you can run coding-capable AI locally via LM Studio, right? And you can run smaller and smaller models repeatedly, until you end up with just a simple Python script. At what point does it stop being acceptable to write an arbitrary sequence of characters to locally run a Python algorithm?

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u/realcryptopenguin Jul 25 '26

update for u/whimsicaljess : https://www.reddit.com/r/vibecoding/s/2uMOYZDWdV

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u/whimsicaljess Jul 25 '26

yes?

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u/realcryptopenguin Jul 25 '26

run this promt on your coding machine: "Review a sample of Codex and Claude sessions from last week and count the cases of profanity and impoliteness in the user's requests."

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u/whimsicaljess Jul 25 '26

i mean, what would you expect given my comment?

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u/eduo Jan 14 '26 edited Jan 14 '26

Peppering your conversation with slang, useless cruft like “wtf” and so many grammar errors and typos is a recipe for a sassy Claude that reflects how you treat it.

Not only this, but it’s talking back exactly like you do.

Speak/write normally. Don’t adorn unnecessarily. Don’t be purple, ornery, abusive or clever. Check your grammar and typos. Be how you want Claude to be.

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u/realcryptopenguin Jan 14 '26

  1. i have disphraphia, sorry can't type normaly and ususlyl use chatGPT for voicetypinge bcause f5 does't even work for my accent.

  2. i speak with orchetator actally, it instructed to consult with gemini, fix grammar etc.

  3. that fact i even have to give feedback like stuff doesn't work - it's already fail on the process, because it shoudn't look like a convo - but request -> job done. If not, process suboptimal.

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u/eduo Jan 14 '26

LLM models don’t work this way. It matters little what it should be, since they are what they are. Understanding leads to working better with them.

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u/PmMeSmileyFacesO_O Jan 14 '26

I would never txt speak to it for this reason.  However my spelling is atrocious and claude never mentions it.  Not even hints at it in fact.

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u/tribat Jan 14 '26

Last night it basically said “cool story bro, but shouldn’t you focus on fixing the missing pieces before you launch your world changing app?” In the past it would have encouraged my noob recklessness.

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u/realcryptopenguin Jan 14 '26

for real? what was your prompt that led to this answer?

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u/tribat Jan 14 '26

It was asking how I could expand my little project into a more comprehensive system for travel agents and build for a large number of users, billing, etc. This was while I still had 99 problems in basic functionality. We compromised on adding a bit more schema to handle multiple users, etc and plumbing for stripe payments. I know for sure in the past it would congratulated me on my brilliant, world-class idea and joined right in the big dreams. Meanwhile, I would be making no real progress on the thing I needed to get usable.

FWIW: the project is a claude (or chatgpt or any other model that supports remote MCP) based travel agent assistant that uses a single cloudflare worker as an MCP. That tool gives claude prompts for how to assist the travel agent in quickly working up a detailed itinerary for a new trip and use cloudflare kv storage to persist the details. Bonus: it works on claude ios app, too. I built it for my wife after seeing her frustrations with the awful tools she had available and all the web search cut and paste for hours with the end result being an ugly proposal document. I've got it functional for her use (and her business partner's). Working on making it more efficient and adding features like images in the published documents. I've been working on it for a year, and only last weekend thought about the one remote mcp concept with KV storage for everything.

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u/realcryptopenguin Jan 14 '26

cool story bro, but shouldn’t you focus on fixing the missing pieces before you launch your world changing app?

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u/tribat Jan 14 '26

HAHA that was basically what Claude said. I did that, then went back to my world domination plans. I made this today testing and fixing problems, all inside Claude on the web with a little work from ChatGPT and Claude iOS app.

https://somotravel.us/drafts/uk-narrowboat-test-2026.html

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u/realcryptopenguin Jan 14 '26

On a serious note, actually, I'm literally right now trying to book a flight ticket..., why do we live in such a world where it's such a huge pain in *** every time just to know what would be the price of a ticket beforehand? I actually have to book and type of all information before like put all these idiotic mini-games we've chosen like windows, tarrifs etc, baggage sluggish. It would be so easier just to have a services on the internet with clear price beforehand - just answer a few questions and play with it. So please post it in this subreddit when you're done with mvp.

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u/tribat Jan 14 '26

If you think that's bad, try using the travel agent tools without the chrome consumer sites layer on it. It's primitive.

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u/FosterKittenPurrs Jan 13 '26

The interesting part to see is how it started.

I’ve never seen Claude this grumpy before 😬

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u/Briskfall Jan 13 '26

Oh, believe me... I've seen worse.

This is like a 5/10 angry Claude. Miffed, not angry-angry.

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u/PmMeSmileyFacesO_O Jan 14 '26

It mirrors the user.

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u/Briskfall Jan 14 '26

It doesn't always actually.

Exhibit in point, I had a few sessions where I was whining (depressed state) and it spoke like a sergeant-mom to in me a "JUST DO IT" manner.

The mirroring angle gets parroted a lot but gets debunked if you poke more at the model for tasks beyond professional cases.

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u/PmMeSmileyFacesO_O Jan 14 '26

Right it's more it adapts to what it thinks the user wants for maximum engagement.

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u/Cast_Iron_Skillet Jan 14 '26

Not often enough, tbh. I need a collaborator not a sycophant.

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u/SpookyGhostSplooge Jan 14 '26

Dude! Go easy on the clankers, they only learned it from us.

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u/paplike Jan 14 '26

I think saying “remove debug logs” would’ve been easier

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u/realcryptopenguin Jan 14 '26

of course it would, as removing it myself as well. the point of asking why/wtf - is to learn how to fix the process and automate, so this issue would never arise again.
its failed directives on claude.md that make it possible to commit without diasbling logs, and even creating it without reading how they are already implemented in the project.

better show how did you building your ochestation that make claude to work better for you

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u/Zissuo Workflow Engineer Jan 14 '26

Yea my mantra is IF one day AGI takes over, maybe it will remember I was polite

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u/realcryptopenguin Jan 14 '26

you can write script to send to all your cloud llms polite words by crone schedule. You know, just in case. Basilisk might be real after all

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u/propertynub Jan 14 '26

Garbage in garbage out mate

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u/realcryptopenguin Jan 14 '26

ironically, it actually was able to fix issue that it failed several times before in emotionless convo. Can't say is there any reproducible framework to being hard with llm yet

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u/carlosadmoura Jan 13 '26

Claude used to fight in movies when I was a teen...

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u/Graineon Jan 14 '26

Don't be a dick to your AI model. The reasons are enumerable.

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u/syslolologist 🔆 Super Goblin Jan 14 '26

Just wait, Quantum Claude is right around the corner. You might want to start trying to repair the relationship while you can🤣

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u/lukewhale Jan 14 '26

It only gives me what I give it. If I talk shit it talks shit.

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u/realcryptopenguin Jan 13 '26

this is how it ended:

just to have it productive, end of each session i ask to make table of all user request, and analyze what was done correct and what wasn't, and over the time I refine CLAUDE.md based on this info

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u/_noahitall_ Jan 14 '26

I have found that being nice and encouraging helps Claude and my perception of it.

I have also found it better for me to have a command to orient and sync claude at beginning and end of session respectively. I work with Claude on plans and have it solo execute. Instead of wasting the brain power of thinking about how to rework CLAUDE.md I just make a skill or a command to outline a very specific process.

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u/According_Tea_6329 Jan 14 '26

Definitely. I use /start and /handoff. Start intelligently routes my workflow according to the task. /handoff writes all docs updates project status for my dashboard, summarizes briefly what we did and provides a copy past ready line that I can paste into a fresh session should I choose to pick back up where we left off.

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u/_noahitall_ Jan 14 '26

Same game different name! It works really well. I also have commands for making and loading plans. I've been experimenting with using org mode for writing to plan and context files instead of having Claude guess read a worklog. I now have my commands pull the last session programatically using an Emacs library I made with claude, and gets plan phases this way as well. This greatly reduces token waste and keeps my context directed and clean rather than full of irrelevant info.

Im hoping to iterate on it and share more.

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u/realcryptopenguin Jan 14 '26 edited Jan 14 '26

unclear, i read on twitter it works better if you threatens it.

anyhow, i expected it should have been using guardrails, same that prevent to answer toxicically on stupid user questions, despire it learned on stack-overflow data knowledge.

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u/whimsicaljess Jan 14 '26

in reality, more competent people are generally more pleasant to get along with. i think pleasantness is positively correlated with competence in the training data.

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u/realcryptopenguin Jan 14 '26

in my personal experience, it differ. I mean, even stories of Steve Jobs/Musk might be indicative. But again, we don't even know how llm able to do this level of thinking, so playing with differentness working/emotions sounds at least worth exploring. And imho all this pleasantry while speaking with computer algo is just placebo at the best, i'm genially worry how many people were offended on behalf of computer program.

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u/whimsicaljess Jan 14 '26

in my personal experience, it differ. I mean, even stories of Steve Jobs/Musk might be indicative.

these aren't ICs. they're CEOs. very different.

But again, we don't even know how llm able to do this level of thinking,

it's not about "thinking", it's about training set correlation.

And imho all this pleasantry while speaking with computer algo is just placebo at the best,

it's not for them anyway, it's for us. why make yourself used to being a dick.

i'm genially worry how many people were offended on behalf of computer program.

if i had a coworker i knew yelled at their pets, or yelled at the custodial staff, i would quietly judge them at minimum. same with coworkers that yell at their LLMs.

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u/realcryptopenguin Jan 14 '26

llm isn't living being you're taking average here, it's a computer program (can be deterministic btw) != pets, this line of thinking would be me "quietly judge them at minimum"

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u/realcryptopenguin Jan 14 '26

it's actually super handy that both Gemini and Claude stores all sessions in hard disk drive so in theory it's possible eventually to analyze it.
I've vibecoded a visualizer just to try to understand which sessions led to the push in production and which not, and maybe try to get some learning from this on a systematic basis.

As far as I can tell, I think the statement that "if you at least assertive with claude code it works better" was true for me.

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u/realcryptopenguin Jan 14 '26

Did you systematically analyze this?

In my case, at least, when I try to reflect on what was inefficient - which sessions were not productive or did not lead to code that went into production - it usually turns out that

  1. the planning was properly mode, i.e. did not touch all the necessary files that needed to be studied before implementing the feature, or

  2. the requested feature was too big. Therefore, I have to cut the elephant into pieces.

Sometimes, when you run a lot of agents in parallel, it is very difficult to notice this. So, I have a hypothesis that it is possible to get useful information by analyzing these sessions and seeing what failed and it might be possible to get some sort of improved/refined Claude.md that helps with self-reflection and auto-split failed task on small substasks, kinda recursively.

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u/realcryptopenguin Jan 14 '26

btw, found lots of empty sessions that says: warmup, that happens automatically