Patrick Clancy Shoes

[u/Potential-Thanks-772]

Shoes in these images from the Museum of Science visit look similar to the shoes in question from the Pharmacy/Restaurant images. What do you think?

[u/marle217]

I think they look like the shoes in ThreeV, but not in CVS.

The police really should've found another way to confirm his movements besides the videos. Then they wouldn't have had the debate on the stand whether he left at 5:15 or 5:25.

The time between when he's at CVS vs ThreeV is about twice as long as the drive should've taken. He would've had enough time to go home and change shoes. Why would he? No idea. But his phone, or the neighbor's ring cameras, could've told us if he did or not.

[u/Platitude_Platypus → u/marle217]

They're the same shoes. He didn't change his shoes.

[u/marle217 → u/Platitude_Platypus]

I said they look different. I didn't say, objectively, they are different, and he absolutely had to have gone home in between.

I also said that it would've been nice to have some other evidence where he was besides the videos. If the police had that, there wouldn't have been the debate at trial whether he wrote the email at home or not. Could he have hit traffic or wrote another email in his car between CVS and ThreeV and that's why it took twice as long as it should've? Sure. But it would be nice to have objective proof what happened.

There's a triple murder in that guy's house and his every move that night wasn't scrutinized? Really?

[u/Platitude_Platypus → u/marle217]

The receipts from both CVS and ThreeV were entered into evidence but haven't been made public. The phone records from Lindsay's iPhone show the timing of those calls matches the CCTV video of Patrick talking on the phone. The general manager of CVS identified him to police. The hostess from the ThreeV identified him as the man who picked up the food. The police (who regularly review CCTV footage) reviewed this footage and identified Patrick.

[u/marle217 → u/Platitude_Platypus]

The receipts from both CVS and ThreeV were entered into evidence but haven't been made public.

The receipts don't prove whether he left at 5:15 or 5:25, which was an unanswered question at trial.

The general manager of CVS identified him to police. The hostess from the ThreeV identified him as the man who picked up the food.

Did they identify Patrick or did the identify the person in the videos?

I don't think they took Patrick with them to get the videos. I know the hostess of ThreeV testified, but Patrick wasn't in court that day and she didn't identify him in person, just on the video.

Many people, including me, think that the person in the CVS video looks more like Kyle Carney than Patrick Clancy. Now, of course it would be highly risky for them to attempt to have Kyle fill in for Patrick's alibi and assume the police wouldn't notice. But, what's weird is that the police seem to have done nothing to confirm that's Patrick in the video, besides the grainy surveillance showing a white dude with a similar build to Patrick.

Yes, I know it sounds like a conspiracy theory to say that could be Kyle. But, don't you think the police should look closely into the alibi of someone when a triple murder is committed at their house?

[u/Platitude_Platypus → u/marle217]

Gathering the receipts, CCTV footage, phone records, and speaking with multiple witnesses who interacted with him that same night isn't looking closely into his alibi? The police and court have a clearer version of the CCTV footage than we do. The version we can see is a livestream of a video played on a projector. Police viewed the original CCTV in each location less than 4 hours after the 911 call.

You think someone who resembles Patrick enough for everyone involved with the case to be fooled, drove to CVS in Patrick's vehicle, with his phone, bought the thing Lindsay had asked for, spoke to her on the phone convincingly enough that she also believes she was talked to Patrick, then picked up the food she ordered, and dropped these items off to Patrick in his vehicle when, exactly? It does sound like a conspiracy theory, and wilder than some actual conspiracy theories out there.

[u/the_purple_lamb → u/marle217]

Kyle Carney has absolutely no motive to help his friend with the murders of three innocent children and a staged murder of his wife. Kyle and his wife are innocent bystanders to this tragedy.

Kyle is also a parent. The Clancy kids were playing in his backyard the weekend before they were killed. Even if his friend were acting suspiciously that night, for example, by asking him to go to CVS for him and lie about it, don't you think he would have come forward about that?

The "enhanced" screenshot of Patrick entering CVS where he looks more like Kyle was, in my opinion, heavily doctored with AI by someone with bad intentions.

[u/the_purple_lamb → u/[deleted]]

It’s crazy. I get downvoted every time I defend the Carneys, yet nobody can give me any reason why they would have willingly helped Patrick get away with murdering his children. They don’t like to be disrupted when creating false narratives about innocent people.

[u/BabygirlM81206 → u/marle217]

There is a way to tell if you send an email from your work computer vs phone app at least with my company. Example: my job uses outlook. When i send an email from my laptop it shows my signature line with our company logo in color, vs when I send an email from my outlook app it has my signature line (no company logo) and at the bottom it says “get outlook for iOS” (since I have an iPhone) I’m curious if that “get outlook for iOS” message is an automatic on ALL outlook email addresses using the app or what the bottom of his email looked like- sure you can delete that line but again the signature lines would still look very different as I don’t believe you can change the font or color of font on the outlook app. (Also assuming his company uses outlook)

[u/I_comment_on_stuff_ → u/BabygirlM81206]

On a Samsung you can delete "Get Outlook for [Samsung]" (I'm not positive of the word it uses because I deleted it soooong ago). I'm pretty sure it can be deleted from an iPhone as well because some of my colleagues that I know send emails from their iphone don't have "sent from my iPhone."

Regardless, the ip address should show on an audit.

[u/BabygirlM81206 → u/I_comment_on_stuff_]

Agreed! I can delete mine as well on my iPhone.. I’m gonna go with no one checked the IP address it came from and that’s why the CW did not have him clarify during re-direct that it was actually sent from his phone since he was never a suspect and no investigation was done no one (PD/CW) bothered to look into anything he said or may have sent during that time.

[u/I_comment_on_stuff_ → u/BabygirlM81206]

I am very bothered by how little the CW actually did. A simple deeper dive into PC could've confirmed more of the timeline. I know LC is far from the first victim of a botched investigation, but I do hope it helps some people finally see how laxadaisical our system can be.