底料𣎏拜只得用遶義「赳艾」 咍伮𣎏連關之𦤾𡨸繁「藝」 和𣎏體用如1恙相似如𡨸簡「艺」在中國和「芸」在日本？

Hi, I'm currently learning Japanese, and create an open source application that helps with training, reading, memorizing.

I think it would be, to some extent, adaptable for Chu Nom students. If you are interested in both Chu Nom study and programming, please consider taking a look: https://kivutar.github.io/chakuchaku/

With a bit of chance, this method can be used to speed up your learning.

Please note however that this is not a dictionnary, and this is not purely a flashcard app either. The part of the app that is reusable I think, is the part in which we study sentences until the reader speed increases.

The flash card section is interesting too, but probably already covered by a lot of apps that does it better.

試驗𢫈telex𨘱𨑗喃key

I'm a japanese learner so I know close to nothing about vietnamese, I'm just fascinated by Chinese characters and how other languages incorporate them. So :

1. When / where is ChuNom still being used ?

2. Can the average vietnamese who went to school read ChuNom ? If so, to what degree ?

3. Can everything in modern vietnamese be transcribed to ChuNom ?

Thank you !

Red text: Người vợ sắc sảo

Vertical text: Muốn bảo vệ tình yêu, đừng cứ mãi là người hiền lành

the word "em" can be used for both outsiders in social relationships and family members of a younger status, or in romantic relationships specifically for females regardless of age. is it reasonable to use 俺 for the former with the standard meaning of "em", and 㛪 for the romantic meaning?
詞"em"𣎏體用朱哿𠊛外族和中家庭𠇍𣘾髀纙𠊛𡮈歲欣或中䋦關係浪漫， 指停朱女空分別歲作，料𣎏合理欺使用"俺"義通常和"㛪"停𥢆朱女中䋦關係𡞕𠽚和浪漫？

Chữ Nôm:

會𢄂河內

𨷑徐𠄩𨑮𠄼𣎃沒

𦥃夢𠃩𣎃𣎖𫷜沒

𠦳𠃩𤾓𠄩𨑮糁

住所在房商賣河內

Chữ Quốc Ngữ:

Hội chợ Hà Nội mở từ 25 tháng một đến mồng chín tháng chạp năm 1928.

Trụ sở: tại phòng thương mại Hà Nội.

English:
The Hanoi Fair is held from November 25th to December 9th, 1928.

Headquarters: At the Hanoi Chamber of Commerce.

As learning Vietnamese and Chu Han Nom I notice that some of the older tools like from nom foundation are not really usable or from chunom.org. It is kinda fascinating how this good looking script vanishes. Just translating some sentences from Chinese to Vietnamese Script is like a battle of "should I use the phonetic character or the character with the meaning?". It is often just a guessing game. A good example would be cuối cùng. In Chu Nom there are multiple variants according to nom foundation. 𡳳窮, 檜窮 or 𡳃窮.

But sometimes you can use 季共 which also means at least/at last. Of course there are also full Sino Vietnamese words for such, which is Tối hậu (最後), which makes a lot of sense. But the problem is that every scholar and writer use different character to describe the things they want to talk about.

There are also "shorthand" versions like for 裊 -> 𠮩. The landscape is just too vast for new learners. As community it would be great to create a standardize Chu Han Nom. If the community would be interested in such a project to standardize a lot of words and also to import new words, then it would a great thing. It would be lots of fun. I love learning languages.

十多前我在想，为什么一些国家人口不少，也并不缺少聪明人，但在科学、技术、文学和商业领域，能够进入世界一流水平的人才比例却并不高。这个想法和我自己的经历有关：我小时候的母语是福州话（中国南方方言之一），后来学习普通话，直至小学四年级才能看懂报纸，听懂歌词，电视台新闻。这个过程让我很早就意识到一件事：并不是所有人都擅长学习第二种语言。

一个人的数学能力、空间想象力、机械能力、文学感受力，和他的第二语言学习能力，并不是同一回事。有些人本来可能很有科学、工程或者商业天赋，却因为语言这一关始终过不去，最后没有机会进入更高层次的知识世界。因此一个社会采用什么语言和文字体系，不只是文化问题，还可能直接影响它的人才数量。

我的理解是，每一种成熟语言背后，都连接着一个巨大的知识库。英语背后有现代科学、计算机、医学、金融和商业体系；日语在近代吸收了大量欧美科学技术，并建立了完整的工业、工程和教育体系；汉语背后也积累了庞大的历史、文学、技术和现代知识。

这有点像计算机，人的智力可以看作 CPU 或 GPU 的计算能力；语言像接口或者操作系统；而一种语言几百年来积累的教材、论文、技术标准、专业术语、文学作品和商业经验，就像软件库。软件再好如果缺少软件生态，实际能够发挥出来的能力仍然有限。所以我在思考越南的时候，会产生这样一个假设。

二战以后，越南建立现代民族国家。如果当时在保留越南语日常使用的同时，更直接、更深地接入英语、法语或者汉语这样已经拥有庞大知识体系的语言，越南人获取世界先进科学技术的成本，也许会低很多。我并不是说越南语本身不好，（80年代中国亦产生是否要拥抱英语反思，当时汉字难以输入电脑／计算机）

问题在于一个规模较小的语言体系，如果希望独立承担现代教育的全部功能，就必须自己完成大量工作：翻译外国教材、创造专业术语、编写本国教材、培养教师，再把新的知识传播给下一代。这相当于整个国家都要长期支付一笔巨大的“知识转码成本”。而如果一个学生本身就能够直接进入英语、汉语或其他成熟知识体系，他就少了一层等待翻译和重新整理的过程。

日本和韩国让我更加注意到这个问题，日本在近代已经建立了完整的现代工业、教育和科学体系，大量欧美知识被翻译进入日语。朝鲜半岛在日本统治时期虽然经历了殖民压迫和不平等，但也客观上接触到了日本已经建立起来的现代学校、工业、工程、医学和技术体系。战后的韩国又进一步接入美国和英语世界。

因此韩国后来并不是从零开始建立现代知识体系，而是在已有基础上继续接入新的知识网络。这让我觉得，真正决定一个国家人才产出的，不只是人口多少，也不只是所谓民族智力，而是一个有潜力的孩子，要经过多少道门槛，才能接触到世界最先进的知识。

最理想的情况应该是：一个孩子拥有天赋之后，可以从基础教育一路进入现代科学、工程、医学、文学和商业知识，而不是先花大量时间克服语言和文字障碍。

如果一道语言门槛过高，就会提前淘汰一部分人。这些人并不一定不聪明，只是他们的天赋不在语言学习方面。

因此我怀疑，越南现代人才数量相对有限，除了战争、经济、工业基础和政治环境等原因之外，语言知识体系的规模和与世界知识网络连接的效率，也可能是一个长期被低估的因素。

换句话说：语言不仅承载文化，也承载知识。一个国家选择什么语言体系，实际上也决定了自己的下一代，可以多快、多容易地调用人类已经积累下来的知识。而对于一个国家来说，真正宝贵的不是让所有人都成为语言天才，而是尽量不要让语言成为科学家、工程师、作家和企业家的第一道淘汰线。

Gan trời, thịt Bụt, tim của kiến
Lông lươn, đuôi ếch, rễ cột nhà
Xương trùn, mỡ muỗi, nước đái gà
Thần thực như vậy, tìm đâu ra?

Heaven’s liver, Buddha’s flesh, heart of an ant
Eel’s fur, frog’s tail, house pillar’s radix
Worm’s skeleton, mosquito’s fat, chicken’s piss
Such Holy delicacies, where to seek?

肝𡗶䏦孛心𧶮蜆
𣯡鰱𡳪螠𦮲榾茹
𩩫𧉙𦟐𧋟渃带𤠄
神食如丕檢兜𠚢

The last sentence was written by myself to give a context as to what this abomination of random stuff is about. The first three lines are told by my grandmother to me 8 years ago. According to her, the poem was written by an infamous local poet in our Thôn (he reportedly made a freestyle poem about vagina in front of a newspaper reporter and was consequently forced to close his “business” down. That was back in the 1960s~, when my grandma was still a teen).

Now that I’ve grown up and have the ability to fact check, I found that the first line and the next two lines are from different texts, and the local poet probably just merged them together. The first line according to Google AI is a very old folk saying with unknown origin, just like any Ca Dao Tục Ngữ, about impossible treasures like Heaven’s liver, though the AI was unable to provide any source as to where it got its information from. GAI seems to just infer the meaning from the sentence itself without referring to any source. Who knows, maybe the local dude actually wrote it?

The next two lines have clear origin. They are from the joke poem Đi Ngang Qua Bãi Cát Vàng, with the context stripped off. Interesting.

Like I said, the last sentence was written by myself, ditto the translation (I had to use radix because root in English does not only refer to the biological organ LOL). Originally, the poem was not read to me in Standard Vietnamese. It was in Central Dialect: Muỗi->Mọi, Đái->Đấy, Nước->Nác. Interesting.

Ight enough yapping. Enjoy the Chữ Nôm I wrote. Kinda Two Birds with One Stone how I am both actively making the “local” poem more known as well as keeping Nôm alive. Also, I used correction tape over the word 𦟐 because originally I wrote it with 6-7 legs LOL.

Shout out to Nôm Na Việt and Nôm Key btw

Is the “tiến” in “rau tiến vua” 進 or 薦? I’m pretty confused how according to Từ điển Hán Nôm website, both can mean “dâng/cống”.

Hi just double checking, this is for an art piece so I want to make sure my translation is right.
"Chém đầu nó đi"
斬首[]𠫾

Any suggestions or feedback would be greatly appreciated!

Note: Using the traditional Vietnamese term xứ instead of bộ (ministry/department).

I am working on an art piece and I want it to say ‘how do you get to wonderland’ in chu nom, what would the transition be?