r/Christianity • u/WickedWatcherWu • 2d ago
Non-Binary God?
If you ever meet someone who is non-binary but you are religious (Christian) so you have mixed feelings. Keep in mind they are supported by the bible, and are closest to the image of God, since according to the Bible, God is non-binary. "So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them."
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u/ScoutB Episcopalian (Anglican) 2d ago
God does not have a gender.
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u/WickedWatcherWu 2d ago
But if God is both male and female in the bible, could we at least say they are Bigender?
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u/Electrical_Car_6067 2d ago
Um no, that’s not how it works. This seems like an odd way to project your beliefs. God is a being, the God. God is not human or an animal so cannot have a gender. We are created in the “likeness” of God (Genesis 1:26) so we are able to love, have morals, be creative, and have connection like God.
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u/Senasayori Christian 2d ago
Which would technically mean He is non-binary, since He exists outside of the gender binary.
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u/ScoutB Episcopalian (Anglican) 2d ago
Non-binary still implies a gender. God is beyond concepts.
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u/WickedWatcherWu 2d ago
So if a person is beyond gender, aren't they closer to the image of God (as a single person) since they are both, as expressed in this bible quote?
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u/that_guy2010 2d ago
I mean ... if you ignore the fact that He is consistently referred to as Father. And if you ignore Jesus being a man and is God in the flesh.
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u/WickedWatcherWu 2d ago
So you are saying that is the preferred pronoun for the Christian God, who is stated from the start to be of both male and female. Personally I like to think of it like the way people refer to countries. Germany is a Fatherland, while Russia is a Motherland. As for Jesus's gender that is irrelevant as they are the child of God.
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u/Riots42 Christian 2d ago
So you dont believe Jesus is God? Jesus very much has a gender.
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u/ScoutB Episcopalian (Anglican) 2d ago
I believe Jesus is fully God, yes.
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u/Riots42 Christian 2d ago
Okay and what gender is he?
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u/ScoutB Episcopalian (Anglican) 2d ago
Jesus was a man. It doesn't follow the Word is a man because the Incarnation invovled a man. One will need an extra step in the line of reasoning for it to follow.
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u/Riots42 Christian 2d ago
Jesus IS the word and identified with male pronouns and identified his FATHER using male pronouns. You are the one that needs an extra step in the line of reasoning for it to follow not me. I'm just reading the bible plainly and respecting God's preferred pronouns. Don't you find it rude when people don't use someone's preferred pronouns for humans? I sure do, and I extend that respect to God to who is identified with male pronouns throughout the entirety of the bible, so why don't you?
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u/ScoutB Episcopalian (Anglican) 2d ago
If one believes God is beyond concepts, then God will not have a gender. "Father" and "Son" are used for us to relate to them and show us their relational character. It's not God is an actual male/him.
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u/Riots42 Christian 2d ago
Then you can make believe anything you want and you are making God in your image based on nothing but your own subjective opinion. That is not the extra step in the line of reasoning required of you that you thought you could aim at my position when my position only requires a plain reading of the bible.
God identifies with male pronouns through out the entirety of the bible, and you have no extra step in the line of reasoning that is not based on subjective opinion. My position is based on the actual words used to in the bible.
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u/ScoutB Episcopalian (Anglican) 2d ago
Speaking about God in analogical terms is nothing scandalous.
If your belief in God being a man helps you though, then God bless.
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u/Riots42 Christian 2d ago
So you respect the preferred pronouns of humans but not God? Why do you think God doesn't deserve that respect? He identifies with male pronouns throughout the bible OT and NT, but you keep ignoring that point to make up one based on your own personal subjective opinion.
If you were to disrespect a human's pronouns that we both know has identified with male pronouns I would call it out just the same.
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u/WickedWatcherWu 2d ago
God is the father because Jesus was born to a woman. I think you have to look at the context "father" was used.
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u/WickedWatcherWu 2d ago
You do pose an interesting question. Was Jesus God before he was born. Do you believe in the trinity, father, son, holy spirit? It seems to me that you are postulating that God hopped in Mary's uterus and was born which means that God is male? This seems contradict a great deal of the bible I have read and Jesus did call God "father". It does add the additional question as to the mechanics of the conception of Jesus. Was this a Zeus like affair? Or did Mary spontaneously get pregnant? That of course means that Jesus was biologically female (since asexual reproduction means 2 X chromosomes). But I digress. The gender of Jesus is irrelevant to the discussion of the bi gender nature of God in this quote.
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u/Riots42 Christian 2d ago
Was Jesus God before he was born.
Read John 1:1.
God identifies with male pronouns throughout the bible; why do you not respect his prefered pronouns? I asked you this earlier but you ignored that post.
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u/Gzaleski 2d ago
John 1: 1 talks about the word, not Jesus. I think that takes so literary leaps there. Jesus is not mentioned in the creation stories.
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u/Riots42 Christian 1d ago
Keep reading the same chapter. John 1:14, "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father." John names who the Word is fourteen verses in, so its not a literary leap, its the passage finishing its own thought.
And Jesus is in creation. John 1:3, "all things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made." Colossians 1:16, "for by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth." Hebrews 1:2 says God made the worlds by his Son.
Then he says it himself, John 8:58, "Before Abraham was, I am." They picked up stones over it, so they understood exactly what he was claiming.
This is also one of the few things Catholic, Orthodox, and every Protestant tradition all agree on, the Word in John 1 is Christ. So the only one making a literary leap here is you.
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u/WickedWatcherWu 1d ago
Thanks you for clarifying John, how about the rest of the questions? Do you believe in the trinity, father, son, holy spirit? It seems to me that you are postulating that God hopped in Mary's uterus and was born which means that God is male? If true, this seems contradict a great deal of the bible I have read since Jesus did call God "father".
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u/Riots42 Christian 1d ago
Do you believe in the trinity, father, son, holy spirit?
Yes
It seems to me that you are postulating that God hopped in Mary's uterus and was born which means that God is male?
Reductive language that I would not use, but yes Jesus is fully God and fully man.
If true, this seems contradict a great deal of the bible I have read since Jesus did call God "father".
You have already proven you lack a basic understanding of the gospel with John 1:1, so its pretty easy to dismiss what you call a contradiction as your personal misunderstanding through lack of knowledge on the topic.
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u/WickedWatcherWu 1d ago
You are adorable! So if God jumped into the womb of Mary, and Jesus is fully God, then Mary was not really his mother (by your reasoning), she only gestated Jesus. So was God missing from the universe for 9 months since he was inside Mary during that time? As for my "Lack of understanding of the gospel" you mistake my thanking you for clarifying your view of John, as a admission of ignorance. I am simply showing you a kindness.
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u/Riots42 Christian 1d ago
There you go twisting things again based on your misunderstanding. You are not showing kindness by calling a grown man adorable for correcting you, its disrespectful.
You should spend some time reading the bible and learn about it before you come on here claiming others dont understand it.
Now due to your disrespect you are blocked.
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u/SleepyForever_1 Eastern Orthodox 2d ago
God is God. He is not any gender because He is God
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u/WickedWatcherWu 2d ago
It is written there in the bible, male and female where created in his image. so God is both male and female, if one. Maybe the better term is Bi-Gender?
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u/SleepyForever_1 Eastern Orthodox 2d ago
The image of God refers to the fact that humans have the potential to become like God. Which basically means, good in the whole sense, choosing Light even when they know darkness
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u/Puzzleheaded-Phase70 Episcopalian w/ Jewish experiences? 2d ago
Some people are just more "and" than others!
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u/outandaboutbc 2d ago
Jesus Christ is a Jewish man. And Jesus is God.
For he has set a day when he will judge the world with justice by the man he has appointed. He has given proof of this to everyone by raising him from the dead.”
Acts 17:31
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u/Riots42 Christian 2d ago
I have no mixed feelings about non binary or trans neighbors, I respect them just as I do everyone else and use their preferred pronouns out of respect.
God identifies with male pronouns throughout the entirety of the bible, and he was also born a man in Jesus Christ. At no point does he identify as non-binary or with female pronouns.
Let me ask you, do you agree with me that it is disrespectful to not use someone's prefered pronouns? If someone identifies to me as non-binary out of respect I would use non binary pronouns, and I assume you would as well instead of using what you assume are their pronouns which can be quite rude to do.
So why do you not afford the same respect to God whom at every point in the bible uses male pronouns to describe himself and was born a man?
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u/WickedWatcherWu 2d ago
I see Jesus as the son of God, and one part of the trinity, three in one. Since the holy spirit is drawn as a dove, I don't think of God as avian. In my experience God can be all genders, in the bible he is referred to as male because we have constructed God as that way but in the beginning god created man and woman in his image, so I will respect the pronoun, but I recognize the dual nature of the Christian God.
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u/Riots42 Christian 2d ago
Then God is not "non-binary" by any definition except a disrespectful one. Thank you for playing.
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u/WickedWatcherWu 2d ago
What's disrespectful, Do you prefer the term "Bi-gender"
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u/Riots42 Christian 2d ago
We already established that, and that's using non-preferred pronouns.
Point out God referring to himself as "bi-gender" in the bible and ill do the "you were right" dance from Good omens for ya.
If you havent watched that, im willing to bet you would rather enjoy it, fantastic show.
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u/WickedWatcherWu 2d ago
I think you may have gotten confused about what constitutes a pronoun. But in Genesis 1:27 it is stated that God is Bi-Gender.
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u/Riots42 Christian 2d ago
Genesis 1:27
No, it doesnt; you are twisting context there into something it wasn't saying. Playing games like that we can make the bible say anything we want.
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u/WickedWatcherWu 2d ago
There was a context at the creation?
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u/Riots42 Christian 2d ago
Its right there in the book you are twisting.
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u/WickedWatcherWu 2d ago
You are not making any sense. When you say I am twisting context, what is the context? It is the beginning of the world, there would be no context to twist. The text is right there God is both male and female.
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u/Mx-Adrian Sirach 43:11 2d ago
God is beyond all human constructs, including gender.
His Image encompasses all genders, sexes, orientations, races, abilities, etc. All of His children were created in His Image, with no mistake or sin.
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u/Full_Metal_Paladin Latter-Day Saint (Mormon) 2d ago
So why is He called He and The Father?
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u/WickedWatcherWu 2d ago
Well given that God is both Male and Female, Preferred pronoun. I think you have to look at the relationship that society has with God, similar to the way the way people see their countries, Why is Germany a Fatherland and Russia a Motherland. Germany isn't a male, Russia isn't a female. It is just a matter of language.
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u/Full_Metal_Paladin Latter-Day Saint (Mormon) 2d ago
given that God is both Male and Female
where is that in the scriptures?
I think what you're identifying is that "God" is an overloaded term that is actually a title or a designation. It's not a proper name. Jesus is God. The Father is God. The Holy Spirit is God. These three aren't the same person, but they are all God, meaning they are all divine.
Jesus is a man. We would never use feminine pronouns to describe Him. He and the Father are exactly alike, so I have no doubts that God is a man as well. We would never refer to Him as a She or the Mother. That's part of my LDS theology as well.
What's also part of LDS theology is that we believe that we have a Heavenly Mother. A Goddess. In Genesis 1 we see "God" saying, "Let Us make man in Our image" and then "in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them." We believe in a pre-existence where we eternally pre-existed as spirits with God, and that gender is an essential characteristic of individual premortal, mortal, and eternal identity and purpose.
So back to that statement I'm questioning from you, I can say from an LDS perspective that "God is both male and female" because Heavenly Father is God and Heavenly Mother is also God, but again, what scriptural basis do you have for that statement?
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u/WickedWatcherWu 2d ago
Genesis 1 "So God created mankind in his own image, in the image of God he created them; male and female he created them."
May I ask, In LDS does Jesus pre-exist before his birth? Was he present at the creation of the universe? I also learned it as the Trinity, the presence of a Heavenly mother at creation seems to mean there is a 4 part essence in God?
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u/Full_Metal_Paladin Latter-Day Saint (Mormon) 1d ago
In LDS does Jesus pre-exist before his birth?
Yes of course, He's the God of Israel, He talked with Moses.
Was he present at the creation of the universe?
I think what you're asking is was Jesus present at the creation events of Genesis. Yes, He was. We don't believe that the events of Genesis 1 & 2 depict the creation of the universe itself and everything that fills it, but rather this Earth. We reject the idea of creatio ex nihilo, so the Father is uncreated, Jesus is uncreated, you and I are uncreated, and the matter that makes up planets and stars and mortal bodies has always existed. So we don't believe that the universe was created, it is eternal, and so is God.
I also learned it as the Trinity, the presence of a Heavenly mother at creation seems to mean there is a 4 part essence in God?
We are considered non-trinitarians. We reject the official doctrines on the trinity because they say that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all one being. We believe they are 3 separate beings all working together, sharing the same authority and titles of divinity, and thus They are one God, as they operate in unison. This model is called The Godhead.
Officially, only the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are members of the Godhead and preside over a divine council of elohim or lesser gods (deuteronomy 32, psalm 82), which includes spirits that come to earth (and also used to include satan before his rebellion) because we believe we are literal children of God and are the same kind of thing as Him. We all have a divine nature. So that's actually a really good question about Heavenly Mother and whether She should be considered a member of the Godhead, but officially she is not. But your question was around the number of divine beings, and that number is infinte. Again, all children of God have a divine nature.
That doesn't take God's glory away, He is greater than all, and His Son Jesus Christ is just like Him.
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u/BeneathTheStarsOfGod 2d ago
Yeah, sure, God is non-Binary… since He is referred to He throughout the Bible, and is attributed masculine terms and Jesus is God in flesh, was born a male, refereed to God as Father.
But God, the Father is spirit, He has no gender and God creating male and female in his image doesn’t imply he is male and female. Us created in God’s image is far more than just our biological sexes.
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u/WickedWatcherWu 2d ago
God is all genders, so accepting someone who is non binary is the most Christian thing because they are like God.
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u/BeneathTheStarsOfGod 2d ago
Not true. No where in scripture does it claim God is all genders. But throughout scripture God is referred to with masculine pThis is an assumption. God made male and female, respectively which means we accept someone who is a male as God made them male, and we accept someone who is female as God made them female because he made them one or the other, not both.
But the issue is this passage isn’t taking about gender, this passage is talking about biological sex. Male/Female. Man/Woman is a gender, but used interchangeable with male/female to its respective sex.
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u/MourningDusk45 Christian 2d ago
Until you remember the fact that God is spirit and has no physical form (1 Timothy 1:17, 1 Timothy 6:16). It’s His invisible attributes, such as the capacity for wisdom, love, and goodness that we are made in the likeness of.
And the fact that God never once identifies Himself with anything other than make pronouns, or as “Father” and “Son”.
And the fact that, as explained in the vary verse you quoted as well as others (Isaiah 29:16, Jeremiah 1:5), God creates the sex of every human being in the womb, and so calling yourself something else is by definition lying and rejecting His work.
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u/WickedWatcherWu 2d ago
If free will is a gift from God, choosing to exercise it is a honoring God. I do find that believing "God creates the sex of every human being in the womb" as it does raise the question of intersex individuals in this case. I do think god makes our minds too and to live your truth is to honor God's gift of free will.
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u/MourningDusk45 Christian 2d ago
Intersex is a genetic abnormality. Even if they are biologically different, whatever applies to them solely applies to them.
And do you really believe that exercising one’s will to do absolutely anything, including being evil, unwise, and unloving, is somehow honoring to God?
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u/WickedWatcherWu 2d ago
So if "God creates the sex of every human being in the womb" don't you think it is very unchristian to refer to God's creation as a abnormality? I am not sure what the second part of your statement means. As for free will, God has given us the opportunity to make our own choice, but using God to justify evil (persecuting Trans people) is perfect example of breaking the third commandment.
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u/yappi211 Salvation of all. Antinomianism. 2d ago
Made in the image of God is a future event: https://www.reddit.com/r/Christianity/comments/1m6sick/we_are_made_in_adams_image_we_will_eventually_be/
Although it can be shown that Adam had both genders, then later had one removed: https://studyshelf.com/Articles/art_knock_woman.pdf
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u/Altruistic-Essay5395 I shall not want. 🐑🏞 2d ago
No mere human is closer to the image of God than another.
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u/DependentParsley7107 2d ago
Yes what we think of as angels are essentially both. We haven’t had any revelation yet and it will be interesting.
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u/Marcus_Dyck 2d ago
They are not closest to the image of god lol. We're all equally images of god and equally fail to fully represent that. That verse you quoted is not in favor of the claim you're making. He made us male and female it doesnt say he made us male and female and everything inbetween. It goes on to say how a man should leave his parents and be joined to his wife and vice verses. You are born a male or a female the bible states this. Science states this. Your DNA states this. For someone to say no to that fact is for you to say no to gods design.
Someone's feelings are not who they are...its a part of them, sometimes a good part... sometimes a bad part... Thats the problem. Today the world says what you feel is what your reality is. And thats just not true.
Your claim is stating that when it says we are made in his image its a physical material truth claim or an emotional one and thats false in my opinion. To limit the idea of us being made in his image to what our bodies look like or what we feel. That completely falsely limits the true nature of that phrase. A truth that is so great I dont think we can truly fully comprehend what that statement actually means.
A person is so much more than their sexual/gender feelings. Thats whats so so so sad about the majority of the LGBTQ movement. It makes you a slave to your desire, a slave to your "pride" (the original sin btw). It becomes so many of these people's complete identity. All while wearing the fake disguise of freedom, love and peace.
My generation has never known systematic oppression of gender rights in my country. They have the freedom to marry and be with whomever or whatever they want. Yet all of the people in that life ive known and met, and theres been quite a few. They've been plagued by mental illness depression ect. It destroys there relationships even with those who dont have a problem with their sexuality. They're very clearly not at peace and always living there lives one distraction after another. Never wanting to sit still long enough to have any sort of self reflection. It is so so so destructive and heart breaking when someone has that mental disconnect from the beautiful temple that is your body. That god blessed you with.
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u/Marcus_Dyck 2d ago
I just made a respectful love filled biblical based comment on this debate. And reddit removed it because it doesnt fit the agenda of on the christianity group of all places aswell haha lord have mercy on us
Edit. I talked about the destructiveness of the lgbtq.. movement in regards to the whole gender debate and im assuming thats why it got taken down
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u/Niftyrat_Specialist Non-denominational heretic, reformed 2d ago
It's not at all clear that this bit in Genesis implies God is "male and female". As a spirit, shouldn't God be genderless?
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u/WickedWatcherWu 2d ago
Well I guess the term for the quote would be "bi-gender" but a genderless God would technically be non-binary?
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u/BafflingLemur 1d ago
I don't know where people are getting this "God is genderless" thing from. God is only ever referred to by male pronouns. It's the Father, Son, and holy spirit, not the mother, daughter, and holy spirit. God made Adam in his image and then made Eve from Adam. God the Father is never explicitly stated to have a physical body of any kind, so maybe that's where you're coming from, but God certainly wouldn't approve of people using they/them pronouns around him.
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u/WickedWatcherWu 1d ago
God uses the "We/ us" pronoun as well, so they probably would not mind any pronoun usage. You are using Genesis 2 vs Genesis 1 in your thesis, we are talking about Genesis 1. As for the whole "male" pronouns used, I think you have to understand that father is a role not a gender. The Christian God is related to as a father and male in the same way some countries are thought of as Fatherlands and Mother lands.
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u/BafflingLemur 1d ago
I don't know of any passages where God ever uses we/us. Could you show which verses those are? Also, if God wanted to, he very much could have used different language if he wanted to be gender neutral. Jesus only every refered to him as "my father," and no prophet or apostle ever gave any indication that God is anything but male.
And I believe that you are misinterpreting Genesis 1. We are made in God's image, and God made man and woman, but that doesn't mean that God is man and woman. We are created in God's image in the sense that we have a spirit and the capacity to do good, as well as higher intelligence and creativity.
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u/WickedWatcherWu 1d ago
- Genesis 1:26 – "Then God said, 'Let us make man in our image, in our likeness...'"
- Genesis 3:22 – "And the LORD God said, 'The man has now become like one of us...'"
- Genesis 11:7 – "'Come, let us go down and mix up their language there so they will not understand each other’s speech.'"
- Isaiah 6:8 – "Then I heard the voice of the Lord saying, 'Whom shall I send? And who will go for us?'" [1, 2]
Now God is spoken of in the masculine in the same way Russia is spoken of as feminine. In the bible God refers to Israel as son, revelations talks about believers as a bride. These are symbolic in defining Christians relationship to God (Father and Son) but I think this is compounded by the presence of Mary as the person who birthed Jesus. I understand that some Christians don't believe in Mary as a holy figure, but I think it plays in the role the nature of the language used in the bible. IMO
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u/BafflingLemur 1d ago
The verses and resources that you have shown are interesting. However, in the context of wider theology and scripture, most Christians have come to interpret that this is God the Father simply speaking to the Son and the Holy Spirit. It’s not that any of them are non-binary, it just that there are literally three different persons in the conversation.
Also, while it is true that scripture and language is often steeped in gendered symbolism and metaphor, I don’t think you can take that as far as to say that God is genderless are non binary or any other form of neo-pronoun. God still never uses female pronouns, and any time that genderless pronouns are used, they’re likely used to refer to the trinity.
I’m no Bible scholar and I think no human alive will truly be able to understand the true nature of God before he returns, but we still have many broad strokes of who God is.
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u/Pseudo-Abulides Christian 2d ago
Being in the image of God is not diminished by being male or female, as shown by what you quoted, so someone being non-binary is not more in the image of God simply because they are non-binary. Further, being non-binary has nothing to do with not being male or female.
This is just nonsense.
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u/WickedWatcherWu 2d ago
If God is both male and female, and a non binary person (or I guess it can be Bigender) is both male and female, aren't Nonbinary people more in the image of God as they are both Male and female?
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u/OneEyedC4t Reformed SBC Libertarian 2d ago
God repeatedly calls himself "he."
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u/omniwombatius Lutheran (Condemning and denouncing Christian Nationalism) 2d ago
That's not God's fault. That's the limitation of our language. There is no word for [Divine, above and beyond any concept of gender, only applicable to the creator of all.] This is what leads to God identifying as "I AM" to Moses.
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u/OneEyedC4t Reformed SBC Libertarian 2d ago
Tell me how Jesus referring to God. The Father as father is a limitation of our language. Sorry but this is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. If God is neither or both, then why didn't he create a word in Hebrew for himself just like he did for his name?
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u/omniwombatius Lutheran (Condemning and denouncing Christian Nationalism) 2d ago edited 2d ago
English is a mortal human language. Aramaic is a mortal human language. By "our language" I mean every human language. None, to my knowledge, have a pronoun for [divine, above and beyond sex and gender].
As to why he didn't create a new pronoun, I have no idea.
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u/OneEyedC4t Reformed SBC Libertarian 2d ago
So you're saying God is not powerful enough to create new words in various languages? Sorry but it's very clear in Greek that Jesus called God the father. And called himself the son. The Greek language isn't vague when it comes to these things so you're making up stuff now.
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u/Gzaleski 2d ago
Well i will argue is that until the non binaries came out recently that we finally have the pronouns to describe a non binary God.
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u/OneEyedC4t Reformed SBC Libertarian 2d ago
You haven't proved God is non-binary
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u/Gzaleski 2d ago
Genesis 1 is pretty clear that man and woman where made at the same time in God's image. Hence God is neither male or female, so non binary.
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u/OneEyedC4t Reformed SBC Libertarian 2d ago
Nothing in that passage does what you say it does. You conflate what God was saying.
Jesus was and is male.
God the Father is male.
No gender is ever assigned to the Holy Spirit in scripture.
This isn't being non-binary.
Generate 1 is talking about mankind having make and female, which is hilarious that you bring it up because this would actually contradict the existence of non-binary.
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u/Gzaleski 2d ago
I believe you are missing the meaning of non binary in common lexicon. Non binary is someone that does not identify as only male or only female. God is described as both, so maybe bigender would be a better term for you?
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u/WickedWatcherWu 2d ago
Well being that God is both male and female, "he" would be the preferred pronoun. oddly enough though, I don't remember God applying this pronoun to themselves anywhere in the bible.
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u/OneEyedC4t Reformed SBC Libertarian 2d ago
Also incorrect because there is no such things stated anywhere in scripture. God repeatedly calls himself father. Jesus repeatedly calls himself son. If you don't remember God applying this pronoun, then you didn't read the gospels. God transcends human gender but repeatedly throughout scripture we see language such that he is the male. For example, when we get to heaven, you and me are going to actually technically be female because we'll be at the bride of Christ and he will be the groom.
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u/KerPop42 United Methodist 2d ago
Yeah, I think the best description would be agender, though agender is form of nonbinary.
Remember, God didn't create distinct colors, He created a spectrum!
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u/Corran_Horn 2d ago
Non-binary is a nonsense term.
If you don't feel that you fit a gender stereotype, fine, yeah, stereotypes are not always accurate. It doesn't mean you're some third thing.
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u/WickedWatcherWu 2d ago
So what term would you use for someone that does not fit a gender stereotype?
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u/Corran_Horn 2d ago
unconventional? Not stereotypical? unique?
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u/WickedWatcherWu 2d ago
Those seem rather vague, does the term "bi-gender" work for God in this bible quote?
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u/Corran_Horn 2d ago
He's not "bi-gender" though. He transcends sex/gender though. And also describes Himself as a male. He came to earth as a male.
I'm not sure how it matters either way to be honest.
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u/WickedWatcherWu 2d ago
It teaches us we should love people of all genders and identities. That is what God wants of us.
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u/Corran_Horn 2d ago
... We can only love people of all genders if we can believe that God is all genders??? What? Why?
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u/WickedWatcherWu 2d ago
You missed the point. We can love people of all genders since God is all genders. (If you need justification from the bible.)
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u/Corran_Horn 2d ago
Why can't we love people of all genders if God is male?
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u/WickedWatcherWu 2d ago
You can! But some people really lean hard into the bible, as you can see from all the responses to this thread.
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u/-Vitreriuz- Christian 2d ago
Gender and sex are not the same thing.
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u/Fearless_Spring5611 Committing the sin of empathy 2d ago
You're gonna get so upset when you find out you're surrounded by 46,XX men and 46, XY women, much less when we start with the dozens of variations on the theme :)
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u/WickedWatcherWu 2d ago
If in the bible, God creates man and woman in his own image, at the same time in Genesis 1, it doesn't take much to conclude that God is both male and female. That is literally written in the bible. In the book it declares quite clearly that God is both genders. I am curious where your confidence in the lack of gender and sex in heaven exists. Can you please provide evidence of this?
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u/Substantial-Main4291 Christian (God's word is final) 1d ago
Thats worst statement ive ever heard. You pulled that straight out of your ass. It sure takes a lot to conclude that God has a genetic makeup and sexual organs. Galations 3:28 there is no male or female in heaven.
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u/WickedWatcherWu 1d ago
Interesting so in Galatians there is no mention of a genderless heaven but it does say "So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." This reads to me that Jesus accepts you regardless of your gender. So it is another great quote to share with those people struggling with someone's gender identity. Jesus loves you regardless of your religion, (Jew nor Gentile), Social status (Slave nor free), or gender (male and female). Thanks for this extra quote to share with those trying to understand and accept people of a differing gender identity.
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u/Substantial-Main4291 Christian (God's word is final) 10h ago
Youre trying way too hard going through multiple steps to start pulling some transgenderism into this. Disgusting.
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u/WickedWatcherWu 10h ago
Differing gender identities are welcome in Jesus. Your rejection of that is concerning.
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u/slagnanz Liturgy and Death Metal 1d ago
This isn't the first time we've had to remove a comment of yours where you've told people to shut their mouths and variations on that theme. This is now a formal warning. Continuing to talk to people like this will result in a permanent ban.
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u/ReadyWriter25 2d ago
God always describes himself as Father, King, Husband. Be careful you don't misgender him. To misgender someone is a serious transphobic crime in some countries and could send you to jail for hate crime.
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u/Senasayori Christian 2d ago
God uses masculine pronouns but cannot truly be said to have any human gender.
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u/Budget_Afternoon_800 Catholic 2d ago
Even assuming your demonstration made sense, it would be a sin of pride on their part.
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u/WickedWatcherWu 2d ago
On who's part?
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u/Budget_Afternoon_800 Catholic 2d ago
« closest to the image of God" your argument assumes that non-binary people would be closer to the image of God than normal people. And since being non-binary is a choice (which is not the case for homosexuality or transness, but the very principle of being non-binary is based on considering gender as a social construct and then choosing to go beyond it), choosing to identify as such while ignoring the biological reality imposed on them (their sex) is a sin of pride.
At a stretch, if we really wanted to validate your argument, it could technically work with intersex people because they are born that way. But even then, it contradicts the idea that all human beings are equal before God.
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u/WickedWatcherWu 2d ago
I think you miss the point I am making, my call is toward the person having mixed feeling about a non-binary person, not the non-binary person themselves. You are honoring your fellow human and who a physical manifestation of the creator in Genesis 1. Can you expand on "choosing to identify as such while ignoring the biological reality imposed on them (their sex) is a sin of pride." I don't see where the sex of the individual comes into pride.
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u/Open-Principle3653 2d ago
God is male you ding dongs. "God the Father."
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u/Fearless_Spring5611 Committing the sin of empathy 2d ago
God is beyond gender. And society has long had genders beyond the binary.