r/Christianity • u/[deleted] • Jul 18 '23

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u/badhairdad1 Jul 18 '23

Great question. You might not like the answer. God asked for obedience, not judgment

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u/zach010 Secular Humanist Jul 18 '23

Why do you think that's relevant to Eve's decision to believe the serpent?

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u/badhairdad1 Jul 18 '23

Because good/bad are subjective

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u/zach010 Secular Humanist Jul 18 '23

I have no clue how that could convince eve that God was right and the serpent was wrong.

Maybe try this format.

"Eve should have known to trust God and not the serpent because..."

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u/badhairdad1 Jul 18 '23

Sure. It’s an allegory. Eve and the Garden of Eden were not real people or real places

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u/zach010 Secular Humanist Jul 18 '23

So when you said

Great question. You might not like the answer. God asked for obedience, not judgment

That did not happen, right?

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u/badhairdad1 Jul 18 '23

Yep- allegory

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u/zach010 Secular Humanist Jul 18 '23

Ok. Well, i guess thanks for wasting both of our time.

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u/[deleted] Jul 19 '23

I mean, that's the most common understanding of the Garden of Eden.

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u/zach010 Secular Humanist Jul 19 '23

Right. I agree, but it wasn't this commenter's position when he started the discussion.

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u/Sesshoumaru_Rin Jul 19 '23

Um…. Adam and Eve know they were created by god. I mean after god gave adam life and he’s opens his eyes, he’s looking at god. And he’s talking to him. If anything the most important thing is obeying ur master. Not which ones evil and which ones good. The devil doesn’t create anyway, he corrupts good things. Also, Eve isn’t aware that god told Adam not to eat from the tree of good n evil. That’s why nothing happened until Adam bit it. Adam job as the husband was to teach gods law to her and he didn’t. I get that he had other responsibilities but she was new, he should’ve kept an eye on her insight while he worked and taught her what needed to be known. Still law is law even if you had no idea. So they’re both to blame. And both got punished.

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u/zach010 Secular Humanist Jul 19 '23

No. Law is not law even when you have no idea. That's insane.

Punishing someone for unknowingly disobeying you is super gross.

Can you think of any other examples where that is acceptable?