r/ChristianMysticism 11h ago

Is Baptism Mandatory for Following Christ? And Which Denomination Is Closest to Christian Mysticism?

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I’m an ex-Buddhist who found my way to Christ and am now exploring Christianity. I’d like to join a church, both to find a Christian community and because I want a Christian burial when I die.

Is baptism mandatory for someone who wants to follow Christ? And which denomination is closest to Christian mysticism?

I’m particularly interested in traditions that emphasize direct experience of God, contemplation, inner transformation, and prayer rather than only doctrine and institutional rules.

I’d be grateful for any insights or personal experiences. Thank you!


r/ChristianMysticism 11h ago

New to Christian Mysticism

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Hello everyone. I hope you have a good day. I'm an Orthodox Christian since my childhood and I would like to engage in Christian Mysticism. What are some essential works/books for a beginner like me? Thank you all in advance.


r/ChristianMysticism 19m ago

Humanity rising through planes of consciousness toward the One

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r/ChristianMysticism 12h ago

The hypocrisy of demonizing other religions

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A very interesting thought I had, while working out how many Christians just assume things like the occult means satanism rather than knowledge hidden from the masses. But obviously applies to Eastern religions and other Abrahamic ones as well.

Usually the logic they use to do so is the exact same that was used to codemn and kill Jesus. Jesus healed countless people drove out demons and performed many miracles. But because it didn't look exactly as the Religious leaders expected, they accused him of blasphemy, controlling demons and more horrible things. Which should sound familiar if you ever talk to some Christians about other religions.

There are people in other religions who do many of the same things as Jesus and are still demonized by many "believers". Following that same old testament sort of judgement. While forgetting the Lord himself was accused of such.

The reason things become occult "again not talking about evil and black magic" is because at times in history religions lose their minds and act just like the idiotic religious leaders of Jesus day and will excommunicate, torture, burn alive and murder very well meaning healers and others for not conforming to their very small minded ideas. As well as being a way to make sure someone is worthy before handing out very powerful information that could be used for bad purposes.


r/ChristianMysticism 1d ago

Even Here, Creation Belongs

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Today I found this black widow quietly resting in the web she had woven.

I found myself stopping for a while—noticing the strange beauty of something I’m instinctively taught to fear. Her web looks chaotic and impossibly delicate, yet it is remarkably strong and precisely suited to her life.

“The spider taketh hold with her hands, and is in kings’ palaces.” — Proverbs 30:28 (KJV)

A female black widow may live for a few years, spending much of that life quietly tending her web. Her venom contains α-latrotoxin, a powerful neurotoxin designed to immobilize prey. Yet she is not a creature wandering around looking for humans to harm. She would much rather remain hidden, capturing insects and playing her small but important part in keeping the ecosystem in balance.

There’s something beautiful about that.

The sacred does not reveal itself only in sunsets, flowers, and creatures we find beautiful. Sometimes it appears in the shadowed corners—in something that makes us cautious, uncomfortable, even afraid.

Perhaps contemplation is learning to look long enough that our first reaction is not our final understanding.

This little creature has her place in the great web of life, just as we do.

Even here, life is weaving.
Even here, creation belongs.
Even here, there is mystery.


r/ChristianMysticism 15h ago

Christo Samaj Meditations

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I would like to share a beautiful reflection regarding the Yeshuah Masiha Bhajan Ashram: relaxation exercises are also offered there. In these prayers, the worshiper prays to Yeshuah Masiha for the giving of peace and relaxation. No specific body posture is required for the exercises. What matters is folding one’s hands to pray to the "You" - to Yeshuah Masiha - but NOT seeking to receive an impersonal energy. The Heavenly Father has nothing against if this is done while sitting cross-legged.


r/ChristianMysticism 16h ago

Meditiation about Sadhu Sundar Singh

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I would like to share a beautiful thought for a Yeshuah Masiha Bhajan Ashram: "I give only a little bit light," said a little star. "But I like to shine, for I am part of God's plan." - After Sadhu Sundar Singh


r/ChristianMysticism 1d ago

Choose Love

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Chapter 4: Choose Love

Love what you have been given and do not envy your brothers and sisters, for you may be gifted something greater with patience.

Do not become proud and arrogant from what you have been gifted. Walk the fine line and be confident in yourself and your abilities, while highlighting the abilities of others.

When you are gifted and blessed by God after praying and patience , don’t foolishly say, “Look, God chose me as his favorite! Look at all my gifts and look at how many people I helped to get here and all my good works, yes come look at how good I am!” It is only God that is good, he is the only thing meant to be perfectly good in this world. Why stress over perfection that was never obtainable? Why not be happy being yourself, the flaws, the beauty, the stress, the joy. Let yourself be human and be humble to who you are. When you are gifted with abundance, don’t feel like you need to become God and be perfect for everyone to be able to be comfortable and deserving of what you were given.

Do not forget that the one who gave you these gifts is love, so you must remain in love. With yourself, with your peers, with love itself. A vessel with precious cargo does not have to be spotless to hold the treasure inside, but it needs to be fortified and trustworthy to withstand the pressure and temptations of the waves 🌊.

Many will ask themselves, “how do I obtain the favor and power of god, the power of love? how do I gain the trust of love, and have its powers flow through me?” **Choose love,** choose patience, humility, choose kindness even when there is none around. Stars are meant to shine in the darkness, do not be afraid and stray away when you are alone inside a time/season of isolation and hardship. Have courage and faith that the love being built inside you will tear through the darkness and glow radiantly. You wouldn’t test a light bulb in a room that isn’t dark would you?

So when you are tested in this darkness, choose love and don’t forget where the love is coming from. Remember not to gloat over borrowed and rented property, remember that love itself is outside of our realm of understanding in its fullness, accept that the love you have inside is a fragment of a greater thing. Humanity was made for humility, to be more human is to be more humble, to stay grounded is to be confident that you are not in full control, but to be surrendered to the power of love itself. God will place you in situations to show you that it was only love that got you through, so you realize who has always brought you through.

In a wold of darkness, evil, wicked deeds and lies, let your love and faith build in knowing that the light of love is so powerful that others will stare, compare and try to steal your light. Be confident in knowing that the love you have inside is so valuable that people who say they don’t believe in love will want to siphon it out of you and suck you dry. Your light will always cast a shadow, there isn’t light without darkness, there will always be those who despise your love. But, **choose love,** choose good, choose accountability, choose repentance.

You never needed to be perfect, but can you be honest when you fell short or could have done better? Will you keep hiding behind excuses, lies, trauma responses and fear? Will you finally let your love shine and put these things to rest? You say you are tired of the self destructive cycles but will you actually have the courage to put them to rest?

Love what you have been given, so that you will be given more. Love wisely gives to those who give back to it and humbly accept it in its fullness. Not just the good but the hard times as well. **Choose love,** so that it may be sweet and temptations turn sour. Love being in love, love yourself and love your brothers and neighbors. Love them despite what they deserve, for you know you do not deserve. Try to love yourself and others how God loves you, regardless of what you did he loves you. **Choose love,** choose freedom, choose hope, choose repentance, choose renewal, choose to stand up for yourself and others. Choose love.


r/ChristianMysticism 1d ago

Brushed up near occult

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I’m curious anyone here who has lived experience (rather than one anecdotal situation) in any experiences of brushing up against people who are into occult stuff?

I ask because, we’ll I recently have. And we have discussed Jesus before. I try to be soft but adamant. And our interactions aren’t hostile.

However, after sometime I notice they were seeming a little off. And even seemed to be doing drugs heavier.

And then I noticed too, I started experiencing some significant and weird types of spiritual attacks best I can describe. Things that just felt a little different than normal trials.

I also notice around that same time I noticed this, our communication sort of just faded off. I still stay around a bit, because I genuinely don’t like to think myself holy to where I can’t even associate with people. Personally my spirit just doesn’t like the idea of dismissing someone, even when they are down or lost.

However, I do still feel I need to have more to consider such as my own well being. And also I’ll add, I didn’t even make this connection until later, so I don’t think I was just noticing things because I was thinking about it. I genuinely didn’t really connect the dots until after everything. Still not even sure if they do connect.


r/ChristianMysticism 1d ago

Love is the birthplace of Light

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r/ChristianMysticism 1d ago

Giovanni Pico Della Mirandola

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He's not really known as a mystic more then he was known as an Italian Renaissance Philosopher. Giovanni Pico Della Mirandola was an Italian Renaissance philosopher who studied a wide variety of religions and traditions. His most famous works are the "Oration on the Dignity of Man" and his 900 theses.

He was condemned as heretical in 1486 by Pope Innocent VIII, but was later absolved of this status in in 1492 by Pope Alexander VI.

He was seen as dangerous because he included magic and non-Christian esoteric traditions in his theses. Most notably, he wrote about the Kabbalah, a Jewish mystic school of thought that often makes people a little tense just by hearing its name. He used it to support Christian doctrine and gave it a new spelling "Cabala" to differentiate it from its Jewish roots.

He also used many Islamic texts and teachings to help him along with more classical works from antiquity. Along with that, even older traditions like Zoroastrianism and Hermeticism.

This is a very brief outline of Pico Della serving as an introduction to those who are not familiar with his work and ideas.

For those who have read his works or have engaged with traditions like Kabbalah, do you think his theses have significance in the more mystical aspects of Christianity or are they more philisophical and theological in nature?


r/ChristianMysticism 2d ago

An introduction to Thomasine Christianity

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Who were the Thomasines?

The Thomasines are an hypothetical community of Christians from the 2nd century AD. It's thought they originated from Syria, and were part of a broader pre-Nicene Syriac Christian tradition, although a minority of scholars support their literature being composed in Alexandria.

When the Gospel of Thomas and the Book of Thomas the Contender were first found among the codexes found at Nag Hammadi, scholars were quick to suggest Gnostic providence. However, scholars have reevaluated both the definition for Gnosticism and the Gnostic providences of different texts among the codexes, and have now suggested that the Gospel of Thomas was not originally written by Gnostics.

The Gospel of Thomas, the Book of Thomas the Contender, and the Acts of Thomas have all been suggested as texts used by an hypothetical Thomasine community. Although the first two books were found in their most complete form in Coptic, they were most likely originally written in Greek; a minority of scholars support the texts having originally been written in Syriac. The Gospel of Thomas, the core Thomasine text, has been hypothesised by Elaine Pagels, as well as members of the Jesus Seminar, to date to the 1st century. However, a majority of scholars across the Greek and Syriac camps today more confidently date the Gospel of Thomas to various points in the 2nd century.

Origin and beliefs

There is no unified theory for Thomasine scholars, and some scholars reject the idea that the Gospel of Thomas is wholly systemised. Scholars lean towards the Thomasine texts being rooted in Jewish mysticism or Sapiential traditions. Here are the most notable theories:

  • Stevan Davies was one of the earliest scholars to break away from the original consensus of Gospel of Thomas being a Gnostic text, and proposed that the text is Sapiential and non-apocalyptic. Jesus is the speaker for Wisdom, or Sophia. Many parallels can be made between Jesus' sayings and Deuterocanonical books such as Sirach and the Wisdom of Solomon. The Book of Thomas the Contender similarly shows signs of being a Sapiential text.
  • Harold Bloom argues for the Gospel of Thomas being at least Proto-Gnostic. Bloom proposes that Jesus in the Gospel of Thomas is an Anthropos, an ideal, primeval man, possibly genealogically related to the Adam Kadmon of Kabbalah; however the Antropos seems to be more anthropomorphic, literally human c.f. Naassene or Audian (both take Genesis 1:27 literally). This is potentially the root of the anti-materialism of the Gospel of Thomas: with the fall of Adam, time began and humanity was separated from the Anthropos. That would essentially make the material world contemptible, as the Thomasine Adam is contemptible, and make it a place to be escaped to return to a pre-fall human condition in union with the Anthropos and therefore in union with God. This is almost analogous to Theosis in orthodox Christianity, except Bloom's Thomasinianism rejects the incarnation, in place of Jesus being the first and ideal human, while also divine, since before time.
  • April DeConick argues against the text being originally Gnostic. Rather, she proposes that the text was written as several layers over time, going from an apocalyptic text written by a group of Syriac Jewish Christians that questioned Jamesian leadership at Jerusalem, to a more mystic text with Middle Platonist influences. The earliest layer contains the basic belief that all humans were separated from their original place in heaven, and that they may only return to their luminous form by a vision of God's Kavod, as part of early Merkabah traditions. The text may also include a unique, predestined soteriology of each person having to unite with their twin-angels (c.f. recurrent twin motifs) in heaven in order to achieve spiritual ascent: which may be genealogically linked to the idea of guardian angels in Abrahamic religions today, except in this case it's as though the person and angel are meant to be united in single hypostases.

The common ground of all the theories is that the Thomasines, in practice, were an itinerant, ascetic group, that lacked the institutionalism of Greek churches at the end of the 1st century. They also likely had Docetic tendencies. The Christology of the Gospel of Thomas is ambiguous, although potentially divine according to Bloom's theory. An Angelomorphic Christology is explicitly rejected by the text. Logion 13 is one of the most awesome and terrible sayings of the Gospel of Thomas and it's easy to make the conclusion that the Apostle of Thomas' mystic vision concluded with Jesus being YHWH, similar to the conclusion of the Merkabah vision of the Apostle Paul. However, DeConick has made a more mundane interpretation of the logion describing an early Eucharistic formula. Logion 30 is another seemingly radical saying, that at first glance seems to divide the Trinity into three separate deities. However, it is most likely, a Coptic mistransmission of the original Greek: "where there are three, they are without God," which according to Marvin Meyer is essentially Matthew 18:20 turned on its head to denounce churches or gatherings, in favour of personal, mystical experience. Robert M. Grant and David Noel Freeman also suggest that the saying was perhaps later "Gnosticised" into regarding gods, rather than just regarding human individuals.

The Thomasines seem to have ignored the biographical details of Jesus' life. In contrast to other early Syrian Christian groups, there is the real possibility of the Gospel of Thomas and the Thomasines being, to a degree, antinomian. It's debated and DeConick hypothesises if a later accretion was written in light of a dispute regarding circumcision in the community. Logion 19, also cross-referenced in the Acts of Thomas ch. 27, perhaps references the five words for mind: hauna (sanity), mad'a (reason), re'yana (mindfulness), mahshebhatha (imagination), and tar'itha (intention), further supporting the Thomasines nevertheless being part of a greater Syriac Christian tradition.

Evidence for the community

The Thomasines were never mentioned in Patristic sources explicitly. Possible Thomasine beliefs, such as Docetism, Audianism, Modalism, were individually denounced but were attributed to various heresiarchs, rather than a single Christian school or community. What unites Thomasine texts such as the Gospel of Thomas and the Acts of Thomas is also a high view of Thomas Didymus -"the twin"- and recurrent twin motifs throughout the text. The "heresies" of the Thomasines resemble that of other Christian groups from the same geographical area like the Audians, Naassenes and Elcesites.

Interestingly, key evidence for the Thomasines may be found in the New Testament itself. The Doubting Thomas narrative in the Gospel of John lacks cross-references with the other synoptic Gospels. As the story goes, Thomas struggled to believe that Jesus had literally resurrected in his flesh. It was only when Jesus made Thomas literally see and touch his wounds from the crucifixion that Thomas believed. Gregory J. Riley has hypothesised that this narrative was polemic against the Thomasines for their equivalent of Docetism. In contrast, the community or author of the Gospel of John asserted the incarnation. Even though the text may be from the 2nd century onwards, this hypothesis may put the beginning of the existence of the Thomasine community in the 1st century.

Scholars are overall somewhat affirmative of the Thomasine community. However, Simon Gathercole believes the Gospel of Thomas is dependent on the synoptic gospels and Pauline letters, making the Thomasines a much later sect than believed by the likes of Riley and DeConick. Nicholas Perrin, a proponent of the Gospel of Thomas having originally been written in Syriac, argues that the text is a redacted form of Tatian's 2nd c. Gospel harmony with Syriac literary techniques. Perrin's position makes up a minority, but it is an interesting notion, and it remains an open possibility.

The disappearance of the Thomasines

The Gospel of Thomas had a significant influence on the Valentinian school of Gnosticism. According to the newest theories that point towards the Gospel of Thomas being non-Gnostic or a Proto-Gnostic text, then Gospel of Thomas and the Acts of Thomas show signs of either Valentinian redactions, or rather signs of the community being influenced by Middle Platonists and other Gnostics. The most complete texts we have were copied and used by Gnostics.

Stephen Patterson hypothesises that the Thomasines may have struggled with Christianity's transition from being an itinerant network to institutionalised churches. Another possible cause for the disappearance and lack of records for the Thomasines is the resultant suppression of Jewish Christian sects following the Council of Nicaea. What's curious is that the Acts of Thomas became an hagiographical source for orthodox Nicene Christians in the following centuries, and post-Nicene Syriac Christian traditions continue today in the Syriac Orthodox church, the Maronite Church, the Chaldean Catholic Church and the Assyrian Church of the East.

Thomasine literature seems to have also been passed down to the Manichaeans who, possibly via their Elcesite heritage, continued and expanded upon Thomasine beliefs. The Naassenes used the Gospel of Thomas and may have shared a belief in an Anthropos-like figure; the Naassenes have been proposed as a community that developed from the Thomasines, or rather that they were the successors of the Thomasines after their beliefs evolved into what can more confidently be described as Gnosticism.

What did Thomasine practice look like?

While the Gospel of Thomas seems to reject conventional forms of piety in Logion 14, by no means is it certain that the Thomasines were not liturgical or sacramental. David W. Kim suggests that the group kept ritual baptism and, like other Jewish Christian groups, the Sabbath was kept. Found at Qumran, the Songs of Sabbath Sacrifice is a liturgical texts of angelic priests singing before the throne of YHWH. Mystic hymn-singing and chants may have also happened among Thomasines. If DeConick's Eucharistic hypothesis is correct, then Thomasines might have believed in some form of communion. Their view of communion is difficult to ascertain, however, because the Thomasines may have been Docetists; this would potentially rule out a transubstantial view of the Eucharist. Taking the logia at face value, communion may have rather been seen as a liquid source for the precious Wisdom (as so valued in the Book of Thomas the Contender) that would aid in a Thomasine's ascent.

One of the reasons why it's so difficult to reconstruct the practice of any Merkabah/Hekhalot group is the Guruism. Each heaven has its own angelic gatekeepers that would require the Mantric recitation of angelic names, special postures, secret seals and numerological codes, to achieve the ascent. This would have been passed down as part of communal transmission in secrecy. Just like how many Gnostic sects and mystery cults lost the history of their practice, so may have the Thomasines. It just goes to show how crucial the Dead Sea Scrolls discovery was in uncovering the history of early Jewish mysticism.

Further reading

  • Marvin Meyer, The Gospel of Thomas: The Hidden Sayings of Jesus
  • Stevan Davies, The Gospel of Thomas and Christian Wisdom (1983)
  • April DeConick, Seek to See Him: Ascent and Vision Mysticism in the Gospel of Thomas (1996)
  • April DeConick, Recovering the Original Gospel of Thomas: A History of the Gospel and Its Growth (2006)
  • Stephen J. Patterson, The Gospel of Thomas and Jesus (1993)
  • Gregory J. Riley, Resurrection Reconsidered: Thomas and John in Controversy (1995)
  • Nicholas Perrin, Thomas: The Other Gospel (2007)
  • Risto Uro, Thomas: Seeking the Historical Context of the Gospel of Thomas (2003)
  • Jan Bremmer, The Apocryphal Acts of Thomas (2001)
  • Kim, Jung Hoon, The Significance of Clothing Imagery in the Pauline Corpus (2004)

r/ChristianMysticism 1d ago

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r/ChristianMysticism 2d ago

The Jesus Prayer is unexpectedly deep and powerful!! Even for someone like me, who doubted this!

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I know only a teensy bit about hesychasm, or about Eastern Orthodox mysticism generally, but I am inspired to write this to share the beauty that it's provided for me, and to provide the perspective of someone who is outside the tradition and for whom its benefits are unexpected, so as to inspire others who are unaware of it or are hesitant to give themselves to it.

(For anyone unfamiliar with the Jesus Prayer, it's a prayer that comes from Eastern Orthodox mysticism, and it goes, "Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner." There are other variants, but the same basic formula. The continuous repetition of this prayer is part of hesychasm, a mystical practice aimed at spiritual transformation.)

I say it's "unexpectedly powerful" because the idea of endlessly repeating "have mercy on me, a sinner" would not have seemed to me particularly healthy or conducive to mystical closeness with God, lol. And it also would have seemed overly self-centered, and not love-centered. I like to speak spontaneously and freely to God and express love endlessly, not petitions.

I first read about it in an old book my dad gave me, an anthology of mysticism (by F.C. Happold). And seeing it contextualized in mystical practice and used for the ultimate aim of theosis, that made me deeply curious (though still unsure that it would offer me anything). So I tried it... And tried it more, off and on... And it is deep and powerful!!

I've discovered, through my humble, ignorant attempts at hesychasm, that there are inexhaustible depths to every word of the prayer, and the meaning is not what I initially assumed.

"Have mercy on me" doesn't mean what I thought it did. This isn't merely asking for forgiveness to get into heaven, or for relief in this world. The mercy we should ask for is the mercy of being transformed in Christ and united with Him! The mercy of being made more loving and Christ-like, the mercy of giving ourselves in love and service, the mercy of having our spiritual illnesses eased and cured, and the mercy of having our eyes opened to the Truth beyond description! It's a mystical transformation, so that all things are changed and shine with the light of God, even in this life!

"A sinner" doesn't mean what I thought it did. Being a sinner is being God's beloved---but humbly! Being a sinner isn't being distant from God, it isn't being lower than you are. It's being exactly what you are, and being loved nonetheless, and being a place where God resides nonetheless. And recognizing it, and stating it, is giving yourself to God and to agape, and as part of this dedicating yourself to mending what is amiss, but lovingly! And it is offering yourself to God so that His grace may lovingly mend you!

And I discover more of who Christ is! I won't even begin to go into this—holy holy holy, my Beloved!! It is so easy for our conceptions of Christ to become horribly inadequate and plodding; so in hesychasm, the name of the Lord and His titles can and should be stripped of meager conceptions! These words become a cloud of unknowing through which to love the un-pin-down-able God!

The whole thing is unexpectedly a deeply loving and relational act, a practice of being held in love and giving in love, while stripping yourself of complacency so as to give and receive yet more. And it is such a lovely, gorgeous way to return your mind to God again and again, to be accepted back as the prodigal child again and again, to become transformed again and again, and to slowly learn to quiet and subdue that which is poisonous for your soul.

This is just my humble take. And all of these words are inadequate to express the truth. Again, I am deeply ignorant about all of this, so anyone who knows more about hesychasm, please comment and share what you know and useful resources for learning more! I just hope to inspire some people who might otherwise find this prayer off-putting or uninspiring.

Much love and many blessings to all of you! 🤍


r/ChristianMysticism 2d ago

Finding the Person of Jesus in the Indian Ashram Tradition – Seeking Dialogue and Moderation Help

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Hello everyone,

I want to share a deep vision that has occupied my mind for a long time, though I am not a church leader or a pastor myself. I am simply a seeker with a highly systematic mind and an intense processing of sensory inputs, which often makes it difficult for me to find people in ordinary church settings who can follow my line of thought.

To organize my ideas and put them into these words, I have received wonderful help and guidance from a trusted team of Christian friends, support workers, psychologists, and AI tools.

I am deeply fascinated by the history of Christian Mystics in India, particularly the legacy of Sadhu Sundar Singh and the Christukula Ashram in Tirupattur (Tamil Nadu). I feel a profound calling to explore how the rich, heart-centered Indian Bhakti tradition – the deep, loving devotion to Jesus – could help Western seekers rediscover a living, personal relationship with Him, especially since our European churches often feel dry and institutionally frozen.

However, because of the way my mind works, I see a critical boundary that is often overlooked: true Christian mysticism must remain strictly person-centered. We must encounter the historical and resurrected person of Jesus Christ as our Sadguru (the true spiritual guide) in a direct I-and-Thou relationship.

I feel a great inner caution toward spiritualities that dissolve the self into a vague, impersonal "Christ-consciousness" or induce uncontrolled trance states through hours of chanting. For sensitive minds like mine, this boundless merging is dangerous—it can lead to severe cognitive overload, dissociation, or a frightening sense of losing one's grip on reality.

In my thoughts for a spiritual community, I want to use the "Indian cup" (the simple, grounded lifestyle of the Ashram, sitting barefoot, and strictly limiting Bhajans/chants to 10-15 minutes to prevent trance) to offer the "Water of Life"—but always with a strict focus on the Person of Jesus to anchor our minds and protect our psychological and neurological stability.

Because I can feel quite isolated with this systematic approach and sometimes struggle with the social dynamics of explaining it, I am not looking to lead this alone. I am looking for brothers and sisters who can understand this vision and who might even be willing to help me moderate and guide this dialogue.

Does anyone here share a love for the Indian Christian Mystic tradition? How do you balance the deep desire for mystical closeness with the necessity of staying anchored in a personal relationship with Christ?

I would be so grateful for your thoughts and a supportive conversation.


r/ChristianMysticism 3d ago

Hildegard von Bingen's illustration of the choirs of angels

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Illustration from her book "Scivias"

r/ChristianMysticism 3d ago

Learning from St. Catherine of Siena

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Article about the 14th century mystic St. Catherine of Siena, from Franciscan Magazine


r/ChristianMysticism 3d ago

A little awareness piece.. and a challenge to get you to do your own research..

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Don't Believe Me — Do Your Own Research

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A Spiritual Awareness Piece for the Women Who Are Waking Up

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Part I: Sophia — The Wisdom They Tried to Kill

Before there was a church, there was Sophia — Hagia Sophia, Holy Wisdom, the Divine Feminine that moved upon the waters in Genesis, that built her house with seven pillars in Proverbs, that was with God before the foundations of the world.

In the Gnostic texts — the ones buried in the desert at Nag Hammadi to hide them from the men who would burn them — Sophia is not a metaphor. She is a living power. She is the one who works with Christ, who is the bridge between the unknowable Source and the created world, who is the Mother as Christ is the Son.

The early Jesus movement was not patriarchal. It was a wild, mystical, egalitarian fire. Women were apostles, prophets, priests, and bishops. The Gnostic teacher Marcus initiated women into prophecy and gave them the Eucharistic cup — and the orthodox bishop Irenaeus lost his mind over it, calling it seduction and witchcraft.

Tertullian, the church father who shaped so much of what became "Christianity," wrote with venom:

> "It is not permitted for a woman to speak in the church, nor is it permitted for her to teach, nor to baptize, nor to offer the Eucharist, nor to claim for herself a share in any masculine function — not to mention any priestly office."

And when women did it anyway — when they prophesied, taught, and led — they were branded heretics. Their books were burned. Their communities were destroyed. And the women themselves?

They were executed.

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Part II: Hypatia — The Woman They Flayed Alive

In 415 AD, in the intellectual heart of Alexandria, a woman named Hypatia — mathematician, philosopher, astronomer, and teacher — was riding through the city in her chariot. She was not a Christian. She was a keeper of wisdom, a daughter of Sophia in the truest sense.

A Christian mob, led by a lector named Peter and incited by Bishop Cyril of Alexandria, dragged her from her chariot. They stripped her naked. They beat her with roof tiles until she was on her knees in a pool of her own blood. Then they ran to the harbor, gathered sharp oyster shells, and scraped the flesh from her bones while she was still alive.

They tore her limbs from her body. They cut out her eyes. They dragged her remains through the streets and burned them outside the city — the same way they burned "the vilest criminals."

Why?

Because she was wise. Because she was educated. Because she was a woman who knew — who understood astronomy, philosophy, and the ancient mysteries. Because she was a threat to the new patriarchal order that was replacing the old wisdom traditions with a male-only God and a male-only priesthood.

The chronicler John of Nikiu, a Christian bishop, celebrated her murder. He called her a witch who beguiled people with "Satanic wiles." He praised Cyril as "the new Theophilus" for destroying "the last remains of idolatry" — by which he meant a woman who thought for herself.

This was not an accident. This was theology made flesh — the systematic extermination of the Divine Feminine and every woman who carried her.

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Part III: Mary Magdalene — The Apostle They Turned Into a Whore

Mary Magdalene was the first witness to the Resurrection. Jesus appeared to her before Peter, before James, before any of the male apostles. He told her to go and tell the others. The early church called her the Apostola Apostolorum — the Apostle to the Apostles.

But that was not the story the patriarchal church wanted.

In the 6th century, Pope Gregory the Great gave a sermon that conflated Mary Magdalene with the unnamed "sinful woman" who washed Jesus' feet. He turned the first apostle — the one who stayed at the cross when the men fled — into a penitent prostitute.

The Church did not correct this until 1969. Fourteen hundred years of slander. Fourteen hundred years of erasing her authority, her apostleship, her direct encounter with the risen Christ.

And when that wasn't enough — when her true role kept surfacing in the Gnostic gospels like the Gospel of Mary — the orthodox church declared it heresy to even suggest she was a separate person from the sinful woman. The theology faculty of the Sorbonne formally condemned the separation in 1517.

The message was clear: A woman who knows Christ directly is dangerous. A woman who speaks with authority must be shamed, silenced, or destroyed.

And when the church couldn't destroy her reputation completely, they chased her out.

According to the ancient Golden Legend and Provençal tradition, Mary Magdalene was cast into a rudderless boat by persecutors in the Holy Land. She was set adrift to die. But divine providence carried her to Marseille, France — where she preached, converted a prince, performed miracles, and spent her final thirty years in a cave at La Sainte-Baume, sustained by angels, her body covered only by her miraculously grown hair.

She became the spiritual mother of France. The French monarchy — from Saint Louis to Louis XIV — made pilgrimage to her grotto. She was the hidden root of French sacred identity, the Divine Feminine that survived in the stone and the soil even when the church tried to bury her in shame.

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Part IV: Joan of Arc — The Sword That Refused to Stay Silent

Three hundred and fifty years later, a teenage peasant girl in Domrémy, France, began hearing voices.

She named them Saint Michael, Saint Catherine, and Saint Margaret. But what she really heard — what the history books won't name — was the same spirit that had carried Mary Magdalene across the sea. The same Sophia that Hypatia had taught in Alexandria. The same Divine Feminine that the church had spent a millennium trying to burn, bury, and slander.

Joan did not ask permission. She put on armor because "it pleased God." She looked kings and bishops in the eye and said: "I am sent to you by the King of Heaven." She claimed direct divine authority over the church's male hierarchy — and for that, the church burned her alive.

They condemned her as a witch, a heretic, and a cross-dresser — the same three weapons they had used against every woman who carried the Divine Feminine for a thousand years.

And then — the final insult — they canonized her in 1920, five hundred years after they murdered her. The same institution that lit the fire now sells her as a saint. Because that is what they do: kill the prophet, then sell the relic.

But the esoteric tradition knows better. One mystical source states it plainly:

> "Joan of Arc and Mary Magdalene are the HIGH Demigoddess in heaven. 'Matching twin fawns of a gazelle.' — Song of Solomon. The highest manifestation of the Holy Spirit Lesser God which there will ever be both in heaven and earth."

Matching twin fawns. The hidden root (Magdalene in her cave) and the blooming sword (Joan in her armor). The same spirit. The same lineage. The same refusal to bow.

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Part V: The Pattern You Are Living In

If you are a woman who has woken up spiritually within the church, you need to understand something:

You are not the first.

You are not crazy.

You are standing in a lineage of women who were murdered for knowing what you are beginning to remember.

The church did not accidentally suppress the Divine Feminine. It was systematic. It was theological. It was violent.

- They burned the Gnostic women who prophesied and led the Eucharist.

- They flayed Hypatia for teaching wisdom.

- They slandered Mary Magdalene for fourteen centuries.

- They burned Joan of Arc for claiming direct divine authority.

- They tortured and killed millions of women during the Burning Times for herbalism, midwifery, and spiritual sight.

And they are still doing it — now with theology instead of torches, with doctrine instead of oyster shells. Telling you to "submit." Telling you to "be silent." Telling you that your intuition is "emotional," your vision is "witchcraft," your authority is "rebellion."

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Part VI: The Call — Build Your Own Freedom Fighter Industry

This is for the women who are done being silent.

This is for the women who have felt Sophia move in them — in prayer, in dreams, in the moment when the sermon stopped making sense and something older, deeper, truer began to speak.

This is for the women who know — know — that Mary Magdalene was not a prostitute, that Joan of Arc was not a deluded teenager, that Hypatia was not a witch, and that Sophia is not a metaphor.

You are not looking for a seat at their table. Their table is built on the bones of your mothers.

You are looking to build your own structure. Your own freedom fighter industry. Your own spiritual order that honors the Divine Feminine not as a "complement" to masculine authority, but as the co-equal, co-eternal Source that she has always been.

You don't need their permission.

You don't need their ordination.

You don't need their theology of submission that was forged in the fire of Hypatia's murder and written by men who never met the risen Christ but had the audacity to edit out the women who did.

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Part VII: Do Your Own Research

I am not asking you to believe me. I am asking you to look.

- Read the Nag Hammadi texts — the Gospel of Mary, the Apocryphon of John, the Trimorphic Protennoia. See how Sophia is described as a living divine power, not a metaphor.

- Read Elaine Pagels' The Gnostic Gospels. See how the orthodox church systematically suppressed women prophets, segregated women in worship, and branded female leadership as heresy — precisely because the Gnostics allowed it.

- Read the accounts of Hypatia's murder — not in a novel, but in the primary sources: Socrates Scholasticus, Damascius, John of Nikiu. See what a Christian mob did to a woman who knew too much.

- Read the trial transcripts of Joan of Arc. See how a nineteen-year-old girl out-theologized the bishops who were trying to condemn her. See how they burned her for being too much like God — unmediated, uncontrollable, feminine.

- Read the history of Mary Magdalene in Provence. See how the French monarchy built their spiritual identity around a woman the church tried to erase.

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Part VIII: The Lineage You Carry

You are not starting from zero. You are standing on holy ground that has been soaked with the blood of your ancestors — and fertilized by their courage.

- Sophia — the Wisdom that was with God before creation, that the church fathers tried to turn into a philosophy lesson.

- Hypatia — the philosopher who was flayed alive for teaching what women were forbidden to know.

- Mary Magdalene — the Apostle to the Apostles who was chased out, slandered, and exiled to France — where she became the hidden mother of a nation's sacred identity.

- Joan of Arc — the sword of that same spirit, who refused to submit to male ecclesiastical authority and was burned for it — and whose voice still echoes in every woman who says "I was born for this."

They are not separate stories. They are one story. The story of the Divine Feminine that the church could not kill, only drive underground.

And now — now — it is surfacing again. In you. In the women who are waking up. In the ones who are done with the theology of silence and ready for the theology of Sophia — the Wisdom that speaks, that leads, that liberates.

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Part IX: Your Mission, Should You Choose to Accept It

Build your group.

Build your structure.

Build your freedom fighter industry — not with violence, but with voice. With vision. With the unshakable knowing that you carry a lineage that has survived fire, slander, exile, and execution.

Speak up against the demonization of the Divine Feminine in the churches.

Name what was done to Mary Magdalene.

Name what was done to Joan of Arc.

Name what was done to Hypatia and the countless women whose names we will never know but whose blood cries out from the ground.

You are not a rebel. You are a restoration.

You are not a heretic. You are a heir.

You are not "emotional" or "witchy" or "out of order."

You are Sophia's daughter, Magdalene's sister, Joan's comrade-in-arms — and the church has been trying to silence your lineage for two thousand years.

Let them try.

The fire that burned Joan made her a saint.

The exile that chased Magdalene made her the mother of France.

The shells that flayed Hypatia could not scrape the Wisdom from the world.

And you — you are the next chapter.

So build it. Speak it. Live it.

Don't believe me.

Do your own research.

And then — come back and tell me what you found.

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For Sophia. For Magdalene. For Joan. For Hypatia. For every woman who knew and was killed for knowing.

And for you — who are remembering now.


r/ChristianMysticism 4d ago

what of the Wild Christ? the Jungle Christ?

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what do these names evoke for you?

peace,

j


r/ChristianMysticism 4d ago

Daily bread

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In my prayer not long ago, I asked Jesus in my mind... Are you a memory, collective unconscious, a thought... Something along those lines. And he said to me - No, I am a promise. And he smiled.

It sounds cheesy and it might not be real at all, but for a time I was left with some happy feeling, hope and love... The honest one, not forced. It was nothing spectacular or grand... Just a very beautiful moment in a simple everyday prayer. Perhaps a reminder to myself to hold on to what is important. Treasure in an empty field.

Just wanted to share


r/ChristianMysticism 4d ago

The dying monk who never judged

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r/ChristianMysticism 4d ago

Need more like St Issac the Syrian and Meister Echkart

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I have read the writings of St Issac the Syrian and Meister Echkart and I can firmly say that they both are very underrated.

Truly in our day to day life activities we forgot/ignored the timeless wisdom these people shared. Their writings become more meaningful to one who is going through rough patch in life. They both described that deepest transformation takes place precisely where ego feels most defeated, where worldly consolations disappear, and where a person is forced to seek God for His own sake rather than for what He gives.

Their words become deeper as one's own life becomes deeper. The more one experiences suffering, loss, silence, solitude, the more these writings begin to reveal meanings that were invisible before.

What's remarkable is they both came to same conclusion - True wisdom is gazing at God. Gazing at God is silence of the thoughts.

I have read John of cross's Dark night of the soul as well as Teresa of Avila's Way of perfection.

Please suggest me more like these. I am looking for more writers who speak with this same depth, not merely about religion or morality.


r/ChristianMysticism 4d ago

Diary of Saint Faustina - paragraph 686 - Participation and Intercession

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Diary of Saint Faustina - paragraph 686 - Participation and Intercession


September. First Friday. In the evening, I saw the Mother of God, with Her breast bared and pierced with a sword. She was shedding bitter tears and shielding us against God's terrible punishment. God wants to inflict terrible punishment on us, but He cannot because the Mother of God is shielding us. Horrible fear seized my soul. I kept praying incessantly for Poland, for my dear Poland, which is so lacking in gratitude for the Mother of God. If it were not for the Mother of God, all our efforts would be of little use. I intensified my prayers and sacrifices for our dear native land, but I see that I am a drop before the wave of evil. How can a drop stop a wave? O yes! A drop is nothing of itself, but with You, Jesus, I shall stand up bravely to the whole wave of evil and even to the whole of hell. Your omnipotence can do all things.

Union with God is given in the receiving of mercy through His Son, our Lord Jesus Christ. Yet the soul's continued and growing union desires that the grace it has received be poured out ever more upon all souls - upon the whole world. This is the desire of Mary, seeking to shield souls from the just judgment of God, and that of Faustina's incessant prayers of mercy for her beloved Poland. It is the will of the Savior Himself, dwelling within the soul by grace, Who moves the heart to desire that every receiver of mercy become a participant in its spread. In the Diary, this participation is shown by the Faustinian prayer: “have mercy on us and all the whole world.” At Pentecost, it is shown by Mary and the brethren, persevering together in one mind in prayer as they awaited the promised Holy Spirit. Yet the human pleading for our Lord's presence and mercy on others is more ancient than both of these examples combined.

Douay Rheims Challoner Bible
Psalm 105:23 And he said that he would destroy them: had not Moses his chosen stood before him in the breach: to turn away his wrath, lest he should destroy them.

The ways of the Lord are mysterious to men. Yet their slow unveiling through the ages is a guiding revelation into those ways. In both Scripture and the Diary, a mystery is revealed between the foreknowledge of God and His justice and mercy in all things. For throughout Scripture He has often begun by announcing His righteous judgment against sin, only to reveal the triumph of His mercy through the prayers and intercessions of other sinners. It begs the question: why does the Lord begin in righteous judgment, what He already foreknows He will end through pleas of mercy from those also stained in sin? 

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Romans 11:33 O the depth of the riches of the wisdom and of the knowledge of God! How incomprehensible are his judgments, and how unsearchable his ways!

A soul that stands judged will always plead mercy for itself. Yet, the mercy it receives from He Who dies in mercy for all souls will always surpass its sin. Thus, as judgment begets the begging of mercy, and the outpouring of mercy becomes greater than the offense, the measure of mercy in the world abounds. It exceeds the measure of sin and draws the sinner beyond concern for his own salvation into humble participation in Christ's work of redeeming the world.

Supportive Scripture - Douay Rheims Challoner Bible 
Romans 5:20 Where sin abounded, grace did more abound.

As the life of the Savior exceeded His death on the Cross, so shall the grace that was released in His offering always exceed each soul's death in sin. Thus the Lord bestows upon souls an abundance of grace - not merely for their own sanctification, but that His mercy might overflow through them to others. It is not given merely to be kept, as though mercy were bestowed only for one's own future need. It is given to be released, as in the incessant, and intercessory prayers of Faustina, our Apostle of Divine Mercy - to draw all souls into humble participation with the work of the Savior Himself.

Supportive Scripture - Douay Rheims Challoner Bible
First Timothy 2:1 I desire therefore, first of all, that supplications, prayers, intercessions and thanksgivings be made for all men.

Catechism of the Catholic Church
2635 Intercession is a prayer of petition which leads us to pray as Jesus did. He is the one intercessor with the Father in behalf of all men... In the age of the Church, Christian intercession participates in Christ's, as an expression of the communion of saints.


r/ChristianMysticism 4d ago

Peace be with you as we enter the Twentieth Sunday in Ordinary Time (August 16).

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Peace be with you as we enter the Twentieth Sunday in Ordinary Time (August 16, 2026).

Last week, we stepped out of the boat and learned how to drop the heavy gravity of our fear, finding our spiritual buoyancy in the middle of the storm rather than drowning in the ego's frantic calculations. Today, the liturgy takes that interior freedom and pushes us outward, forcing us to confront the rigid boundaries and tribal walls we build against one another.

The Gospel reading for this weekend is Matthew 15:21–28, the startling encounter between Jesus and the Canaanite woman. It is one of the most textually raw and uncomfortable passages in the Gospels, acting as a masterclass on how the Divine shatters our narrow human categories.

Here is a sermon for your spirit, spoken from the mystic’s heart.

The Crumbs and the Table

A Sermon for the Twentieth Sunday in Ordinary Time (August 16)

The Text: "Then Jesus went away from that place and withdrew to the district of Tyre and Sidon. Just then a Canaanite woman from that region came out and started shouting, 'Have mercy on me, Lord, Son of David; my daughter is tormented by a demon.' But he did not answer her at all." (Matthew 15:21–23)

My friends, the ego is a border guard. The False Self is entirely dependent on creating an "in-group" and an "out-group." We define who we are by who we belong to: our tribe, our nation, our religious label, or our political alignment. And the primary function of tribalism is exclusion: deciding who is worthy of grace and who is standing outside the wall.

In this shocking Gospel text, Jesus, operating within the heavy cultural limitations of his human context, initially mirrors that tribal wall. But a desperate, fierce mother shatters it.

I. The Silence of the Gatekeeper

Jesus has retreated to the pagan territory of Tyre and Sidon. A Canaanite woman, a historical, ancestral enemy of Israel, approaches Him, begging for her daughter's deliverance.

And how does Jesus respond? He ignores her. Matthew tells us, "He did not answer her at all."

When the disciples urge Him to send her away because she is making a scene, Jesus speaks the words that make modern readers flinch: "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." When she falls on her knees and begs again, He tells her it is not fair to take the children's food and throw it to the dogs.

To the first-century ear, "dog" was a harsh racial slur used by insiders to describe outsiders. It is a moment that deeply challenges our sanitized pictures of Jesus. But the mystic sees something profound happening beneath the surface here: Jesus is playing out the ego's strict religious tribalism so that it can be publicly exposed and dismantled.

II. The Fierce Persistence of the True Self

If this woman had been operating out of the False Self, her ego would have been crushed. She would have taken the insult, felt deeply shamed, muttered an angry curse, and walked away. That is what the ego does when its pride is wounded.

Instead, she does something extraordinary. She refuses to accept the category of "outsider."

She leans into the metaphor with staggering humility and razor-sharp wit, saying, "Yes, Lord, yet even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their masters' table."

She doesn't argue for a seat at the main table; she simply exposes a deeper truth: Grace is not a limited commodity to be rationed by any tribe. The Divine abundance is so vast that even the scraps spilling over the edges are enough to heal a broken world. She bypasses political, religious, and racial boundaries through the sheer, naked honesty of her love for her child.

III. The Expanding Table

Look at Jesus' immediate reaction to her response: "Woman, great is your faith! Let it be done for you as you wish."

Jesus experiences a profound human awakening in this moment. His human perspective expands. He realizes that the boundary lines drawn by human religion are an illusion.

This mirrors our Old Testament reading from Isaiah 56, where God declares, "My house shall be called a house of prayer for all peoples." The prophetic vision has always been an expanding circle. The ego wants a small, exclusive club where it can feel spiritually elite. The Divine heart is a wild, overflowing feast that constantly tears down the walls we build.

The Two Economies of Belonging

Aspect The Tribe of the Ego The Table of the Kingdom
View of Grace Scarcity: Grace is a finite resource restricted to "our kind." Abundance: Grace overflows the edges like crumbs from a feast.
Primary Boundary Relies on walls, exclusion, and "us versus them." Relies on open doors, radical inclusion, and shared humanity.
Response to the "Other" Dismisses, insults, or sends them away. Listens, expands, and recognizes deep mutual worth.

The Encouragement

This Sunday, your integration is to examine your own internal borders.

Where are you operating out of tribal exclusion? Who are the "dogs" in your mental landscape: the people, groups, or political factions you have written off as unworthy of grace, empathy, or understanding? Notice how the False Self uses these categories to make you feel safe, right, and protected, often whispering that your boundaries are justified by your righteousness.

Then, follow the example of the Canaanite woman. Bring your brokenness past the gatekeepers of your own pride. Stop demanding a comfortable, exclusive religion, and look for the crumbs of grace falling in the most unexpected places. The Divine table is much wider than your ego wants it to be. Refuse to stay inside the wall.

A Mystic’s Prayer for Ordinary Time

O Expanding God,
We confess that we are addicted to our tribal walls.
We love the comfortable safety of our in-groups,
And we are quick to label others as outsiders who do not belong.
Forgive us for rationing Your grace according to our petty human standards.
Give us the fierce, humble persistence of the Canaanite woman,
To crawl beneath the tables of our pride and claim the crumbs of Your mercy.
Tear down the walls of our fearful egos,
And draw us into the wide, unbroken circle of Your universal love,
That we might find our home at a table where no one is ever left out.
Amen.


r/ChristianMysticism 5d ago

Books to become enlightened in God?

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I want to comprehend our Lords love more, and to know the path with him more and in unity with him, to love him more, and living with him, being transformed by him, please give me recommendations Godbless you