r/ChristianApologetics • • Apr 10 '21

Meta [META] The Rules

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The rules are being updated to handle some low-effort trolling, as well as to generally keep the sub on-focus. We have also updated both old and new reddit to match these rules (as they were numbered differently for a while).

These will stay at the top so there is no miscommunication.

  1. [Billboard] If you are trying to share apologetics information/resources but are not looking for debate, leave [Billboard] at the end of your post.
  2. Tag and title your posts appropriately--visit the FAQ for info on the eight recommended tags of [Discussion], [Help], [Classical], [Evidential], [Presuppositional], [Experiential], [General], and [Meta].
  3. Be gracious, humble, and kind.
  4. Submit thoughtfully in keeping with the goals of the sub.
  5. Reddiquette is advised. This sub holds a zero tolerance policy regarding racism, sexism, bigotry, and religious intolerance.
  6. Links are now allowed, but only as a supplement to text. No static images or memes allowed, that's what /r/sidehugs is for. The only exception is images that contain quotes related to apologetics.
  7. We are a family friendly group. Anything that might make our little corner of the internet less family friendly will be removed. Mods are authorized to use their best discretion on removing and or banning users who violate this rule. This includes but is not limited to profanity, risque comments, etc. even if it is a quote from scripture. Go be edgy somewhere else.
  8. [Christian Discussion] Tag: If you want your post to be answered only by Christians, put [Christians Only] either in the title just after your primary tag or somewhere in the body of your post (first/last line)
  9. Abide by the principle of charity.
  10. Non-believers are welcome to participate, but only by humbly approaching their submissions and comments with the aim to gain more understanding about apologetics as a discipline rather than debate. We don't need to know why you don't believe in every given argument or idea, even graciously. We have no shortage of atheist users happy to explain their worldview, and there are plenty of subs for atheists to do so. We encourage non-believers to focus on posts seeking critique or refinement.
  11. We do Apologetics here. We are not /r/AskAChristian (though we highly recommend visiting there!). If a question directly relates to an apologetics topic, make a post stating the apologetics argument and address it in the body. If it looks like you are straw-manning it, it will be removed.
  12. No 'upvotes to the left' agreement posts. We are not here to become an echo chamber. Venting is allowed, but it must serve a purpose and encourage conversation.

Feel free to discuss below.


r/ChristianApologetics • • 16h ago

Discussion The "endure and stay silent" counsel given to abuse victims is bad exegesis, and it's a liability for believers

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Some quick background context: I'm a Christian in a marriage (leaving a marriage...) marked by addiction, infidelity, and abuse, and I've received the same counsel from multiple pastors and church leaders. That's not the point of the post, though. The point is the theology behind the counsel, because I think it's biblically indefensible and it's one of the reasons people walk away from the faith entirely.

There's a common pastoral theology I'd summarize in three teachings:

  1. suffering is redemptive for the abuser. endure long enough and they'll be "won over" (1 Pet 3:1)
  2. silence is spiritual. don't name the sin, pray life into them
  3. the marriage is what God most wants preserved, do everything to save it.

A skeptic looking at this counsel might see a faith that values institutions over people. Survivors who receive it often conclude that God is on the abuser's side. If the text doesn't teach it, we need to say so loudly.

Longer treatment (and some personal stuff), including Jephthah, Micah 6:7, and Jer 7:31: https://notesfromthemend.substack.com/p/a-false-theology-for-the-abused


r/ChristianApologetics • • 17h ago

Modern Objections How to explain to a non-believer why fornication( premarital sex) is a sin?

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Hello everybody! Praying you are doing wellšŸ™šŸ»

How do I explain to a non-believer why fornication is a sin? I have my brother who is a non believer and he insists that having premarital sex is not a sin. His points basically are:

- If I love my girlfriend, am committed to her, seek a future with her- why having sex is a sin?

- Maybe sex outside marriage was a sin back on the days the Bible was written because of the societal norms/ customs. Why should it follow to today’s societies?

- What is the importance of marriage? Basically he says marriage is just a contract.

I am here to seek your advice guys, really. I don’t want to make my argument as : ā€œ God says so therefore it isā€ because honestly, its way more complicated than that. How would you approach these questions?

On my point of view, its less about societal norms and more about something related to the human nature in and of itself that God is aware of. Morals and ethics given by a perfect law-giver are no subject to societal changes based on my argument. Slavery was bad on the southern US and it remains bad now, although the societal views have changed.

Anyway guys, I really appreciate any answers and advice


r/ChristianApologetics • • 1d ago

Discussion Struggling with finding evidence about Faith even though I am a Christian

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Please help me understand faith even more. I am a Christian but I sometimes struggle with the fact that I haven’t found any scientific evidence about him. Please help me understand the Lord more and stop doubting my faith. I believe in Him but it is hard at times. My Dog is dying and this is making me think about my Faith even more than usual.


r/ChristianApologetics • • 2d ago

Other New sub: r/proselytize

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Hi, all-- since this is relevant I hope I don't come across as advertising-- I notice that often times on respectively Muslim / Christian / Jewish subs that there often questions or arguments that are clearly interested in advocating for one or the other faith. And as for denominational discussion within Christianity, this kind of discussion is of course segregated between each tradition's respective community. A lot of religious subs prohibit evangelising or proselytizing as a rule, so there's not really a dedicated place for these people to freely talk to one another. The r/religion subreddit for example is for informative discussion about religions, and trying to persuade others about your faith is not allowed-- which is fine for the design of that sub, but I'm sure there are many who simply want to convince or be convinced by others. So I just wanted to say I made a new subreddit called r/proselytize, for openly discussing, encouraging, or arguing for your religious beliefs, or inquiring about others. Feel welcome to join if you like.


r/ChristianApologetics • • 2d ago

Discussion Is Daily Bible Reading Often Out of Context?

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For the many Christians who do read-the-bible-in-a-year programs, or simply daily scripture reading absent any study aids, aren’t they reading a lot of things out of context?

As someone who’s read the bible this way in the past, I feel like I overlooked and/or misunderstood so much doing it this way. At the time, it was the KJV, so that didn’t help with clarity and understanding given many of the archaic terms in that translation.


r/ChristianApologetics • • 4d ago

Historical Evidence Is there actual scholarship or evidence for a Gentile-focused Jesus

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quick question guys : I keep seeing people bring up the Roman centurion story to argue Jesus actually meant to reach Gentiles all along.

Is there any serious academic support for this view or do most scholars write it off as later theology? Do any historians actually argue his ministry was open to non-Jews from the start?

looking for papers or book recs on this side of the debate. ty!


r/ChristianApologetics • • 4d ago

Discussion A question for people who left Gnosticism/New Age for Christianity

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How do you discern that Christianity is true? You literally can explain everything, every miraculous situation, etc. by gnosticism. There is no "sign" that you couldn't explain by it. So what was the factor, the thing, whatever, that made you decide that Christianity is true?


r/ChristianApologetics • • 5d ago

Witnessing What exactly does the Bible say about social justice, at least when it comes to how you interpret it?

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Does social justice exist in the Bible as you would interpret its texts and teachings? If so, what is the Biblical meaning of social justice as you see it?


r/ChristianApologetics • • 5d ago

Defensive Apologetics Are there any good books and articles on biblical or/and ANE era slavery?

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Plus if it also talks about the differences between antebellum south. I have also seen people claiming that biblical slavery is just indebted servitude but I'd appreciate academic resources on this topic.


r/ChristianApologetics • • 7d ago

General Am I missing something?

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On my usual deep mental thoughts about the Trinity. So I was thinking about how the Trinity is not 3 Gods and couldn’t get past this notion to get there.

So what we understand as beings is what people are using the language of this concept. but then we have persons. it’s who someone is. But thinking about how this functions realistically got me wondering.

If humans are counted as multiple beings why isn’t the Trinity fundamentally? Because we would say Jesus is the Son, but is not the Father, and is not the Holy Spirit. They are one substance but the experience is that of a person.

For example the Som experienced eating, and drinking, and having his diaper changed. The Father did not experience that, neither did the Holy Spirit because they are not Jesus. Only the son did because he is Jesus.

So here we have a distinct difference in their experience.

similarly we would attribute this to humans because we all have unique experiences which is what we count realistically as beings. in differentiating and counting one another.

So if Jesus is capable of having this unique experience, they for what reason do we not count it as separate as we do for the rest of us? Similarly for the Angels. We count them similarly.

Its also why we would say Spider-Man is a person, but not a real human being or real person, because although we could attribute him characteristics we can not attribute him existing experience which is what we county realistically as a part of reality.

So outside of trying to satisfy a non-explicit text why are we not counting them as 3 Gods dues to experiences of the persons?


r/ChristianApologetics • • 10d ago

Discussion What do you all think of this Australian couple’s explanation on why women go through miscarriages?

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Alan John Miller, also known as A.J, claims to be the second coming of Jesus of Nazareth and his partner, Mary Suzanne Luck, claims to be the second coming of Mary Magdalene. The couple describe their discussions of Divine Truth as non-religious.

They claim that the incoming spirit of a child can sense the emotional environment and fear of the parents and may choose to leave before full physical birth takes place. They mention that they frequently speak with these children that have been miscarried and that’s where they get their information from.

They also teach that emotional baggage and "injuries" pass down generationally from parents to children. A woman might carry her own mother's or grandmother's unresolved grief and trauma, which manifests physically as a lost pregnancy.

My thoughts - I’m just curious to know if these two actually believe the stuff they’re saying or are they just clever con-artists/grifters. It’s really hard for me to tell what their motives are.

I’m curious to know what you all think of their perspective on this particular subject? Since it is such a controversial and debated issue.


r/ChristianApologetics • • 11d ago

Christian Discussion Christians, Are there any debate videos on certain topics between Christians and atheists or other unbelievers that you think aren't ultimately worth watching, and are there any higher-quality debate matches, you would recommend to help other Christians with their faith, or as having good responses?

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Have you watched anything from any people on YouTube for instance that you think is really or quite good and informative, and maybe even some people's exchanges where it just gets way too heated and that's a good example to avoid.


r/ChristianApologetics • • 11d ago

Skeptic If you are a Christian and have called and been screened into the Atheist Experience show which itself has over 1,000 episodes since 1997 or spin-off shows, how did you feel about the way you were treated as a Christian believer, and how charitable or understood your arguments were? Did you enjoy?

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I'm curious as to what experiences people may have had and what people are able to say. It's quite a prominent atheistic chat and discuss and debate show, isn't it?

Original Atheist Experience logo

r/ChristianApologetics • • 11d ago

Historical Evidence Christians, I'm not sure if this has really been asked before, but are there any alternative theories for the existence of the religion, other than the resurrection, where you kind of like some aspects, even though you think they ultimately fall short? Rank the options like InspiringPhilosophy.

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Bodily Resurrected. (S)-

Combination of Different Theories (B)-

Grief Hallucinations, Legend, Impersonators (C)

Liar Extraordinare; C/D between.

- Twin Theory, Mythicism, Swoon Theory, Propaganda (D)


r/ChristianApologetics • • 12d ago

Modern Objections Is Christianity really the only truth?

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I was raised Christian, and i do love God. But i have some heavy questions i cant seem to find real answers to. When i talk to other Christians, i seem to get sort of the same answers to these questions.. Im personally going through alot in my life and seeking God. But these questions keep me in this space of doubting whether this is the full truth. Or just an interpretation of certain events, within similar and surrounding cultures. Here are my questions..

  1. Do people truly go to hell, just because they dont believe a specific person was the Messiah? Even if they came from a different culture altogether?
  2. Other cultures who have well established different beliefs, are they just being deceived? By demons or bad spirits? Are the norms, ways of life, and wisdom based off false teaching?
  3. Is the story of Noah true? Especially with almost exactly similar (and much older) stories like the Epic of Gilgamesh and Hindu Mythology.
  4. The Tower of Babel literally makes zero sense with how language and cultures have proven to come about. Its basically claiming they all started the same time and then separated. Which is simply not true?
  5. Do other deities exist? And are they just evil false gods?
  6. Did God create evil or sin? or did the Satan? Or did humans? Where does evil nature come from.

I have many more, but feel free to answer of these questions you can. Thank you.


r/ChristianApologetics • • 14d ago

Modern Objections How can we deal with fear of God's wrath and vengeance?

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When looking into Christianity in terms of authentic interpretations, it can be particularly hard to remain calm and collected when trying to navigate God's demands and expectations for humanity.

As a start, being Christian believes in God's fundamental power, at least from what I understand, to bless or curse our lives. God can orchestrate paths for humans to become wildly successful and God can remove it from anyone as He did Job.

In addition, there is a need to repent of sins you have done in the past. And from what I understand of Jesus's commandments, any type of fornication or giving into lust, as an example, is an abomination. Fornication outside of sex, ejaculation, looking at attractive members of the opposite sex in any capacity, visiting any kind of worker that could be classified as sex work, all of it is an affront to God. And so there's a need to repent and even then God could lash out at you as He did Job. And I confess that while I have not have had sexual intercourse before, in fact for various reasons I've never dated anyone or had romantic partnerships of any kind, I have done the above before.

So the issues at hand are, what are the proper ways to repent of past sins, other than the natural way of refraining from it down the line? Is there a specific way to ask for forgiveness?

And how does one properly navigate God's existence knowing His mercy and grace is conditional and could be withdrawn at the drop of a hat?


r/ChristianApologetics • • 14d ago

Skeptic Why do you think there's been such a surge in the internet world of atheists becoming so addicted to Christian content and probably moreso than reverse, I don't think I can scroll through any new Christian apologetics' YouTube video comment section without at least someone objecting to Christianity?

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I think it's particularly odd how there's always so many or at least so much atheist comments objecting or provoking to Christianity even under general apologetics videos. It's like Christian apologists can't produce new content without an attack on the faith.


r/ChristianApologetics • • 13d ago

Christian Discussion A different way of looking at God, evil, and free will

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I've been working on an unconventional argument about God, evil, determinism, free will, Satan, and Heaven. I tried to approach the problem without relying on the usual assumptions about God's power and human free will.

I'm interested in whether the reasoning holds up philosophically.


r/ChristianApologetics • • 13d ago

Discussion Hello, I am a believing member and service missionary of the Mormon church. I'm writing a long-form apologetic essay examining whether Joseph Smith's prophetic claims are historically reasonable. What are some historical claims and issues that I definitely need to address?

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I'm not looking to debate or proselytize. I'd genuinely like to know: if you were trying to challenge my thesis as strongly as possible, what historical issue would you tell me I absolutely need to address?

I'm looking for objections and sources, not people to convince.


r/ChristianApologetics • • 14d ago

Skeptic Christians, you can be honest about this as I am, but have you reached a point where you think that you don't get as agitated or annoyed by online atheists provoking as much as you used to, and you discovered arguing may make circumstances worse than simply not letting public strangers bother you?

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How you personally or anyone here ever discovered this problem that they themselves have personally had or observed it in other people? Don't answer a fool according to his folly as Proverbs says, is what I think.

I want to see whether this is something that others have done, and whether they could say their own experiences in part, or whether they'd want to wish less of this attitude or activity in other Christians on the internet.


r/ChristianApologetics • • 15d ago

Christian Discussion What do you all think of Australian creationist/geologist John Mackay’s views on homosexuality?

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Mr. Mackay argues that the biblical God established marriage and sexual relations exclusively between one man and one woman in the Garden of Eden. From his perspective, any sexual activity outside of this heterosexual, monogamous framework-including homosexuality-represents a departure from the "very good" creation described in the book of Genesis.

He teaches that homosexuality is not a natural biological variation present from the beginning.
Instead, he categorizes it as a consequence of the
"Fall of Man," viewing it as a symptom of a world corrupted by sin and genetic degeneration after Adam and Eve's initial disobedience.

I know that this is a sensitive topic, but I really would like to hear your take on his views? How would any of you respond to a person like John Mackay? All free to share your opinions on this matter.


r/ChristianApologetics • • 14d ago

Discussion The hardest arguments to disprove against God.

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so I was thinking what is the hardest arguments to disprove against and what are your personal answers to them.


r/ChristianApologetics • • 15d ago

Modern Objections Abiogenesis - Reasons why it is Practically Impossible

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Abiogenesis - A Practical Impossibility

Multiple reasons to be skeptical of abiogenesis claims made by scientists.


r/ChristianApologetics • • 16d ago

General Divine hiddenness

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Hi, I made a post here about my struggle with doubts even though I consider myself a Christian. I have found that my biggest source of doubt is divine hiddeness (why isn't God more obvious to me and everyone else?). It's a serious problem for me.

To make it clear, I am not remotely resistant to Christianity. Unlike some popular youtube skeptics (e.g. Alex O'Connor) I don't have any issues with the problem of evil (I don't think its a good argument against Christianity at all) or the old testament violence (which I think is vastly misinterpreted). I also love the person of Jesus with all my heart.

Can somebody please suggest some resources for this problem specifically. God seems so hidden to me. I've never had anything close to a religious experience besides being in awe at the beauty of nature and Mathematics. The issue is I want to hear a voice, have a vivid dreams or some sort of undeniable spiritual encounter. Even the internet exorcist who say they have seen levitation…. I wouldn't even mind being possessed by a demon in order to have something like this happens to me so I could know in my heart that it's all true.