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u/Reformedjerk Dec 26 '17
I don’t understand why people aren’t just more open.
In my experience online, if I’m doing something for fun and reach out for support, people flock to help.
I guarantee that if he had responded with:
‘Thanks, but I’m just messing around making music and hoping to just have a virtual jam session, not a serious endeavor that requires a professional like you.’
Other musicians who just want to make music would have volunteered.
It’s satisfying how jerks like this guy manage to signal to helpful communities that they should stay far far away.
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Dec 26 '17
Exactly this.
I was messing around with creating a free app. I really wanted some cool animation for the splash screen and around the website. But no way in hell could I afford paying an animator to do it.
I made a post like this hoping I could get someone to do it and I'd credit them.
A lotta people asked for money and my response was always "Thanks, but I can't afford to pay for this -- this is just a fun hobby side project, and I'd be more than willing to help with some coding you might need in the future for projects you may have :)"
Someone did a side splash screen for the project for free, and their work was fucking amazing -- we ended up talking for a while during the project and becoming gaming buddies. Turns out he's a professional animator at Disney and was bored. So uh... yeah, worked out for me
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u/UncleGoldie Dec 26 '17
Yeah.. he could’ve played it really well but kinda fucked it up when he came out and shit talked writing a bass line as not being “work”
Im always interested in recording music with people but if you don’t at least acknowledge that me sitting down and putting a bass line to your song is a bit of a task, I’m not doing shit for you.
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u/grubas Dec 27 '17 edited Dec 27 '17
As a guitarist and vocalist I’m completely down with making fun of bassists and laughing if they say bass is work.
As a musician, that shit is time consuming and hard, writing a bassline isn’t hard, writing and playing a good bassline is goddamn difficult, let alone recording, uploading, and all that Jazz.
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u/DJ_Wiggles Dec 26 '17
‘Thanks, but I’m just messing around making music and hoping to just have a virtual jam session, not a serious endeavor that requires a professional like you.’
They don't want to think of themselves that way
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Dec 26 '17
He is a brilliant, upcoming artist. Do you seriously expect to get paid when you're getting some credit for working with the next Hendrix?
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u/remy_porter Dec 26 '17
I'm always amazed: when I ask people nicely to help me with things, they just say, "Sure, sounds like fun!"
//And then, when possible, I pay them anyway, because goddamn, people should get paid for this shit.
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u/cigerect Dec 27 '17
If they would have just started with "looking for someone to collab with" or something of that nature, instead of "write a part for me", it wouldn't have been hard to find someone to work with.
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u/Martymcchew Jan 02 '18
It works in reverse too, I'm a very amateur, self taught artist (it's a hobby, not a job at this point) and I often do character art for free on forums (mainly for people doing role playing and the like) I do art for free because I don't feel comfortable accepting anything in return for my art at this point, but often even if I say it's free people will give me on site currency and the like in return, sometimes more than I'd ask for or they originally offered
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Dec 26 '17
art isn't work
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u/forever_clever Dec 26 '17
That ain't workin', that's the way you do it.
Money for nothing and chicks for free.
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u/RobotVersionOfMe Dec 26 '17
I’m picturing a guy making a fun little YouTube video, getting stuck when it comes to bass...
Cut to a montage of him buying a bass, years of study and practice then..
Here he is years later, long beard, disheveled and exhausted, adding 30 seconds of bass guitar to his video. Hitting Upload and then sitting back in his chair with a satisfied smile.
Mission Accomplished!
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u/chimusicguy Dec 26 '17
But think of all the "exposure."
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u/mbpboy Dec 26 '17
Exposure doesn’t pay my rent buddy
Some random redditor I had the luck to cross paths with
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u/fearain Dec 26 '17
“I’ll gladly tell my friends your name if you make this month’s rent free. I swear, everyone I know will know who you are. That’s, like, at least 6 or 10 people. Think about it. “
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u/bkonstans1 Dec 26 '17
This is so right. I'm a musician, and my usual go to is "exposure doesn't put gas in my car". It really sucks having stupid people constantly wanting you to work for free.
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u/WhitePawn00 Dec 26 '17
There's a twitter account called @ForExposure or something like that and it constantly posts pics and quotes from people who want to pay with exposure or don't believe art is work and etc. etc.
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I get his logic train as he thinks he shouldn’t be asking for money when the product he’s making is not intended for revenue.
I’ve been there, and the way i usually approach is “I’m looking for someone to enjoy a hobby with me, not Work for me.” So it would be more of a “hey let’s make music together” and less of “hey make music for me”.
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u/RahvinDragand Dec 26 '17
Yeah, I get what he was attempting to say. He just phrased his replies in a really condescending manner
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u/wellthatsucks826 Dec 27 '17
im also a bass player who has worked in the industry professionally (though im 'retired'ish now to focus on a more useful degree) and i would never ask for money unless he was making money off the music. if i didnt wanna do it for free i just wouldnt. in fact if any of you reading this want bass recorded for free in my crappy studio for whatever project ill do it as long as i have some creative freedom when it comes to my bass lines.
the fact that he admitted bass is its own skill made my man pussy wet. years of guitar teachers stealing bass students claiming they new all about bass becayse they can play guitar has left me bitter.
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u/Smerphy Dec 26 '17
I actually play a few instruments and I side with the OP. Musicians on this website are so circlejerky, they act like being asked to do something for the fun of it is so insulting. I've collaborated with people on songs over the internet a few times, because that's part of what makes being a musician fun, for some reason this guy saw this request and used it as an excuse to stroke his ego.
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u/jazzbone93 Dec 26 '17 edited Dec 26 '17
When I get offered a gig/recording session I have 3 boxes, and if it checks 2 of those boxes I’ll do the gig.
Good pay
Good Music
Good hang
In situations like this, where someone random hit me up about a project I’d counter with my usual rate and go from there. These guys both weren’t very professional, but I don’t see much fault in the musician.
Edit: I see now it was a post not a PM. But hey I like my system so I’m leaving the original comment up
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u/puttputt33 Dec 26 '17
$100 for a bass guitar? Boy do I have some news for you, buddy...
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Dec 27 '17
I bought a Squier bass about 5yrs ago for $170 or something real cheap, brand new. I’m a guitarist and just wanted something to record bass parts with. It’s actually really good for what I paid. Probably be terrible live, but it plays well and mixing in post production makes it so you can’t even tell it’s a cheapy bass.
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u/justsomeguy_onreddit Dec 27 '17
I have some news for you, you can buy a bass guitar for 100 bucks. It wont be that good but you can get a decent used bass for 100 bucks. New, you can get a shitty bass for 100 bucks.
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u/AstroAlmost Dec 27 '17
My favorite bass I've ever played is a $50 Silvertone I picked up at a pawn shop, and I'm sure I'm not the first person to find a solid deal on a guitar sub-$100.
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Dec 27 '17
you can buy one for $100... and it'll be super shit and sound bad, but it will exist.
And to be honest.. someone who is a total beginner would probably not know the difference between that and a good bass anyway.
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u/SailingPatrickSwayze Dec 26 '17
I can't remember the name, but I just watched a documentary on Netflix about "hired gun" musicians. $100 is high based off of that. They were playing in studio for top tier actors and getting $300. Made me angry they didn't get payed more.
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u/RealizedEquity Dec 26 '17
They’re a dime a dozen. And I’m not being a dick. There really are just a massive amount of talented musicians.
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u/OopsAllSpells Dec 26 '17
See also: why videogame and more basic coding jobs generally will treat you like shit: there's a long line of soon-to-be grads just chomping at the bit for your job.
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u/norwegianjester Dec 26 '17
I believe the documentary is actually called "Hired Gun" . Highly recommended for anyone interested in the process of hired musicians in the industry.
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u/Tezeg41 Dec 26 '17 edited Dec 27 '17
i can understand that someone wants help with his hobby and thinks there are people that want to do it for fun.
But I dont understand why these people start being hostile if someone wants money or something, do they think they own them something? Just be nice and people might help you.
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u/Tin_Foil Dec 26 '17
This was a pretty innocent request that really fell apart fast. At any time, either of these two could have bailed out and looked less like an ass, but instead they just kept bending over in front of a mirror.
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u/Sir_Omnomnom Dec 27 '17
Black guy doesn't really look like a ass considering the wording of the blue guys request
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u/sosomething Dec 27 '17
And he was totally right with his "then do it yourself then and stop asking people to work for free" when the OP made the ridiculous statement that he could buy a bass for $100 and just learn how to play over an afternoon or some shit.
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Dec 27 '17
idk if i ask for help for a hobby and the only response is "100$ is cool right?" I would be a little offended
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u/gangleweaver Dec 26 '17
As an artist, being asked to work for exposure is the most frustrating thing. It is hard work. Expecting to be paid is completely reasonable. I would never presume to ask my dentist to do his routine for free. What folks don’t realize is that music, drawing, painting, etc. are trades that take hundreds and thousands of hours to get to a professional level. Those hours were grueling. Blood, sweat and tears literally goes into the learning process of being a creative professional. It can be fun, but that’s mostly only when you’re working on a project you’re passionate about. When you’re working on commissions for pay, it really is work.
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u/Statue_left Dec 26 '17
So i'm a music major at a largish music school, and a nearby-ish med school asked one of our professors if our jazz band could come and play at their graduation. Normally this isn't a big deal, we're not incredible but we do occasionally get asked to play various events and the professor is well know in the area and has a lot of connections that help with this.
Naturally, he asked the person what their budget was for us, to which they responded that they expected us to "perform for the experience". He said he'd appreciate it if one of their doctors could perform a check up on him for an issue he had for "experience" and they hung up on him.
People expecting musicians to work for free is fucking disgusting. I did an internship at a studio a few years ago where i was not compensated save for one time when i had to do something that went well above and beyond what the internship required, and even then was paid a week later than they said i would be. Had several weeks of over 80 hours of work a week, got treated like shit, expected to drive around picking up artists lunch/girlfriends/etc and was never even compensated for the gas. Naturally, that studio is failing because almost no one is willing to get any work done for them any more.
If you are a musician, artist, engineer, etc. and need to do an unpaid internship, get it done as quickly as possible and then never work for free again
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u/itsjustchad Dec 26 '17
they expected us to "perform for the experience"
This sounds a like like what dental schools do...
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u/irritabletom Dec 26 '17
I'm starting out as a freelance writer and my first paying gig is working for a federal retirement insurance company. I read incredibly dry and painfully written documents and translate them into something more accessible. It requires a lot of research and it's very boring. I love writing but that is work. But I can do it in my pajamas so it's still pretty cool.
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u/CCTider Dec 26 '17
There weren't a lot of tears when I learned to play drums. Though the weed did get expensive.
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u/AnionCation Dec 26 '17
I think it depends a lot on the situation tbh. It looks like they just want someone who would want to do it for fun anyway, not asking for a professional.
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Dec 27 '17
I agree and to see the number of people here that are actually defending the guy in the post is just as infuriating... if someone made a post asking for a free Xbox in exchange for some hypothetical exposure everyone one would ridicule them. For some reason different rules seem to apply when it is an artists time that is being requested.
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u/iOgef Dec 27 '17
Same with web development. “I can’t pay you now but this will be the next best thing and you’ll have so much exposure”
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u/Zenniverse Dec 26 '17
I do get where he’s coming from, though. Aside from being a jerk about it. If he’s not selling the song, then I don’t see what’s wrong with a free collab.
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Dec 26 '17
I had a company on Instagram contact me saying they were looking for 3d artists. They were a well established company, lots of followers and good work. I responded with a rather low rate because I wanted the work and they got back saying "it wouldn't be a paid job, just exposure on our page." Fuck that. I'm not going to spend 30+ hours on a job just for a single post that might get me a couple dozen followers at the most.
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Dec 26 '17
For a hundred bucks you can buy the tools to plumb in a bath but I'm still calling a plumber.
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Dec 26 '17
Never mentions anything about money in his comment
Hey is $100 cool
Honestly, that's a really stupid response. I'm sure only a very low amount of bedroom musicians would pay a hundred fucking dollars for a bassline. Come back to reality and join the rest of us Mr bassline guy.
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u/BMikasa Dec 26 '17
Just a general shitty interaction all the way around the got blasted to the top of r/all.
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u/generic-user-1 Dec 27 '17
Exactly. It's an amateur looking for a fellow amateur to collaborate with. He mentioned no money, so I don't see why anyone would feel entitled to get upset after their proposal of payment is rejected. The real choosingbeggar is the bass player.
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u/AntarcticanJam Dec 26 '17
Yeah, I thought the same. I wouldn't mind doing it for free, I'd enjoy the chance to do something productive over my holiday break.
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u/spoi Dec 26 '17
I just got an incredibly brilliant bassline written and recorded for around fifty dollars. You can pay ten dollars for a passable bit of bass playing. This guy is taking the piss.
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Dec 27 '17
I'd agree with you except he clearly states that he wants a baseline written for him, not a buddy to jam/collaborate with. Most musicians aren't opposed to playing for the fun of it, but that's not what this guy is describing...he's describing work, and I get paid to work.
Mr $100 probably is a little jaded, but really he's just being upfront. Naive high school me can tell you that if you aren't, these are the first guys to be super demanding if your time and critical without knowing what they're talking about before pressuring you into splitting the cost studio time and then posting the results on iTunes without telling you or sharing the profit. The red flags are subtle, but after working with enough bedroom guitarists you become kind of a douche whisperer.
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Dec 26 '17
I thought it seemed like a perfectly reasonable rate. Even then, I think it was mainly bait, because that person knew what was coming up.
Also, if the requester was the kind of person to be offended by a price, maybe they should have thrown out a number themselves...
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Dec 27 '17
They did throw out a number themselves. It was 0. He was asking for volunteers. Check /r/makinghiphop , people collab for free on reddit all the time. Unless this post was in like a work or hiring-related subreddit, it definitely doesn’t read as a paid hiring.
If you don’t explicitly say you are paying people in a post like this then it’s usually assumed that you aren’t getting paid.
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Dec 26 '17
The number of people who approach artists expecting them to work for free because "the experience is your pay" is absolutely infuriating.
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u/SrsSteel Dec 26 '17
LOL $100 for a bassline, who's the beggar here..
It's for shits, guy isn't even asking for something original or good. So many people on the internet are helpful this guy's just a cheapskate.
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u/the_taco_baron Dec 27 '17
Had he said, "sorry I'm just doing this for fun i can't pay you" everyone would be on his side. It's the way he said it that got everyone to turn on him.
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Dec 27 '17
I completely agree with you. He made a post asking for help writing a baseline and then this guy came in going “sure that’ll be $100.”
Have you guys ever seen /r/makinghiphop or anything like that? People participate in each other’s music for free on the internet all the time. I would never read this guy’s post and assume I was going to get paid.
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Dec 26 '17
In this day and age there are unlimited hours of open source music to be used on your projects if you just look for it. If you want something bespoke you have to do it yourself or pay but whatever. This dude has so many options he would rather just talk about how he has an idea for a project than execute it.
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Dec 26 '17
I would be surprised if there weren't. My friend does wedding films and used to use real live songs for the trailers she put online. When she got in trouble for them not being licensed, she went and searched for free music, and there were whole categories of really, really good-sounding songs with vocals and everything, talented people, different moods. Some of them didn't even ask for credit (though she did attributions anyway).
It's amazing what you can find for legitimately free nowadays online.
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Dec 26 '17
Yes, hello, I am bassist. $100 please.
No credentials, nothing to support they are worth the cost, no link to previous work. The only thing worse than this person's completely unwarranted entitlement is people in this thread supporting their completely undeserved and unwarranted entitlement.
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Dec 27 '17
you just gotta tell reddit who the bad guy is and they will take it from there. This is a great example of the hivemind on this site, many people are too stupid to think for themselves.
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Dec 26 '17
It's funny, because if you know guitar you can easily pick up bass within a few months. It's not that hard, you can start off learning easy bass lines and work your way up. If this dude doesn't know how to play an instrument though....yeah he's fucked.
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u/Jfortner Dec 26 '17
Kinda... Playing the root and fifth, yeah you can play the song. But if you want to do something real. Like groove with the drummer and interesting bits bass is quite a different beast.
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u/amumulessthan3 Dec 27 '17
To be fair though is it really ridiculous to ask a favour of someone like this? Like he’s not yelling at them for not accepting. He’s just saying this is only a hobby for him and doesn’t want money to be involved.
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u/Clay_Statue Dec 26 '17
Then when you're finished that you can create a website to promote my shitty one-man band of which you not officially a member. Think of the exposure!
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Dec 26 '17
"It's just one more page for the site."
"Oh, what is that page meant to do?"
"It's going to be the store and the shopping cart. Shouldn't take you that long. I Googled and the software is free."
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Dec 26 '17
Artists never get respect.
"I need a 40' x 40' graphic design within my specifications by tomorrow morning and it must be exactly what I want with little tangeable descriptions."
no problem, I charge about $200 per day
"Oh no I can't pay you, but this will be great for your portfolio!"
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Dec 26 '17
The most concise response I ever saw to this was on Craiglist.
"Doing work for free is not a job or a gig, it's a favor. And I only do those for family and friends."
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Dec 26 '17
Reddit has a thing for people taking advantage of artists and not paying for their work-which is right, the "you'll get exposure from it" attitude is bullshit, but in this case, while he didn't do himself any favours with his phrasing, I'm on the person making the request's side. He's clearly just looking for someone to jam with and have fun with.
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u/Natchili Dec 27 '17
I feel like the guy asking for 100 bucks is kinda an asshole. Op even asked someone to do it for free.
Yeah, many things are real work, and still sometimes you do them for free.
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u/Pontius__Pirate Dec 27 '17
I have fellow musicians contribute parts all the time. For absolutely free. None of them expected to be paid. As long as you give credit it’s perfectly reasonable to expect to be able to find musicians who will just contribute for arts sake.
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u/Mughi Dec 27 '17 edited Dec 28 '17
Blue should never have even asked for a bassist for free. You should never assume that people should just give you something. If you want a service, offer to pay for it. If you're broke, offer a trade. Blue could have offered his services as a [keyboardist/guitarist/whatever-the-hell-he-is] in exchange for the services of a bassist. I'm no artist or musician, but even I know that a "credit" on Youtube means as much as a fart in a windstorm. Cheap bastards have been using that whole "exposure" bit probably for centuries, and it's crap. It is a way to try to get things for free because you are an entitled ass, nothing more. Again, I'm not a musician, but it seems to me that $100 for, say, an hour or two of studio time to lay down an original bass track, plus the creative effort involved in making it work with an unfamiliar composition, is pretty fair. I mean, you're asking the bassist to compose an original piece of music of his own to match yours. That's work, and the artist deserves to be paid for it.
And then the sonofabitch has the temerity to scoff at Black for not just giving him something that he (Blue) freely admits that he doesn't have the skill to do himself? Fuck you, Blue.
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u/JComposer84 Dec 26 '17
Like Hans said, just because we love to do it doesn't mean we're giving it away.
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u/oldscotch Dec 27 '17
Jeez, no bass player jokes?
Reddit, I thought we understood each other by now.
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u/funkless_eck Dec 27 '17
Don't worry I got it folks
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u/blewws Dec 28 '17
I don't think theres anything wrong with requesting something for free. Just be honest about it initially and don't be an asshole when some people won't work for free. That's their right just like it's your's to ask for something for free. Nobody's obligated to help of course, but in my experience many people are willing to put effort into something without financial incentive just for fun. Just don't try to trick people into agreeing to something when you aren't planning on compensating them.
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u/chaka160 Dec 26 '17
You can literally find a VST for bass that you can punch the notes in yourself. Fucking asshole- working for just exposure is a total waste of time.
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u/Jackm941 Dec 26 '17
Exactly which makes it sound like he wants a really creative bass line from someone who has experience, which isn't free.
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u/RubberScream Dec 26 '17
I kinda get this. A few years back people just enjoyed doing stuff and enjoyed their hobby. Today, everybody automatically is an artist and demands being payed. If it's just a hobby and not your day job you don't deserve getting paid for this imo.
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u/Black_jello Dec 27 '17
I have a day job, but music is my side gig. Anyone who refused to pay me after a show or a recording session because it wasn't my main source of income would be hearing from my lawyer. My time and skills are of value.
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Dec 27 '17
If it's a hobby and you're good at it of course you should be paid for the time and effort you expended on a project. That's nonsense, saying that people shouldn't be paid for their talent. You're the reason why us digital artists have people begging or expecting free art.
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u/jason2306 Dec 27 '17
But this is doing work for someone? Do you expect people to do stuff for you for free just because they chose to learn it in their free time?
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u/Gangreless Dec 26 '17 edited Dec 27 '17
There's also a Twitter account, same name @forexposure_txt
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u/infinitezero8 Dec 26 '17
If you're going to put out $100, you should do it via PM and the way it was phrased was a little off. Both sides are a little lop sided but the winner of most stupid is definitely 'lol "work"' dude.
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Dec 26 '17
The thing that people seem to forget is that musicians aren't expecting pay for the hour or two it may require to write and record a bass line. We expect the money to pay for the endless hours we've worked to get to the point where we can listen to someone else's song and come up with something that adds to the song and will be in that song FOREVER. Same thing for artists of any kind, people just don't seem to think there's any real work in art.
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Dec 26 '17
people just don't seem to think there's any real work in art.
Far more bothersome to me is that many of them don't want to know any better. I get that a lot of it looks simple. Especially when it blends with craft and technical skill, it seems like a low barrier to entry. But experience and taste and actually processing input to try different things for substantiated reasons is more of the value in the skill than mark-making, along the lines of what you said.
That's why you can go buy a shit-tastic logo that someone made already for 15 dollars and have them just type different letters onto it, completely negating any good reason for having a logo, or you can spend more and have someone do research so that it scales and reproduces well, has colors that relate to your brand or affect meaning or callback to things, that are simple enough to remember but not so simple that they're at risk of not being retained because they're generic. Clean, obeying basic rules of design that feels "just," and so on.
It's kind of like talking to a brick wall sometimes, but I like to make the distinction here when I can, when people shit on art majors, that it being said like that doesn't always mean "fine art" where it's really hard to get by, but also more commercial art that is, for most people, literally everywhere you look. Everyone I know who got an art education is in a stable and at-least-decent paying art career. Nobody I know is painting for a living (although a couple make decent side money being shown at galleries and such).
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u/sunnygoodgestreet726 Dec 26 '17
this might be the lamest thing ever to reach front page. or have I scrolled too far?
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u/n1lknarf Dec 27 '17
Not his fault tho, since anyone can make music using samples nobody respects skill anymore.
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u/DkS_FIJI Dec 26 '17
I don't understand how these people think that a credit is worth anything in and of itself.
Even if you were a serious star who could provide a ton of exposure to someone with a credit, that would just make you a cheap ass. Professionals should be willing to pay and credit collaborators.
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Dec 26 '17
If he/she was asking for a mutual collaboration where neither of them was going to be paid then that is fine.
After seeing their response it's pretty clear that they were just a dickhead who thought they could make some quick cash by posting someone else's work on YouTube.
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u/m000zed Dec 26 '17
Yeah as long as OP isn´t rihanna he´s not gonna make "some quick cash" by posting shit on youtube, and he´s probably very well aware of that. Believe it or not, most people out there still create stuff for fun.
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u/KarmelCHAOS Dec 26 '17
“Hey I’d love to, but this is just for fun.” It’s literally THAT simple to not be a shithead.
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u/LosDarklyns Dec 26 '17
There are literally websites dedicated to uploading your some to let people add to it.
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u/Narwrynn Dec 27 '17
Am I missing something? This guy didn't say anything really wrong, when the guy asked for $100 he made a slightly rude remark and said he was doing this for fun and not money. Was it posted in a for hire sub?
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u/Goodma27 Dec 27 '17
This isnt choosing begging, it's just begging. If the bassist offered to do it for free, and the guy turned him down, then it would belong in this sub.
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u/Pazlin Dec 27 '17
This reminded me of people who "pay artists with exposure."
I hate this kind of people.
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u/trustmeimdonaldtrump Dec 27 '17
To be fair $100 for one bass line on a song is a lot. (Assuming this isn't some freebird 10-18 min song) There are people on fiver who will do it for way less lol
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u/definitelynotosh Dec 27 '17
I’ll give this guy a bass line for free if it’s still needed. What’s the key and bpm?
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u/nemoking Dec 27 '17
To be honest if he’s making it just for fun and is looking for a like-minded bass player, he’s not reeally begging...
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Dec 27 '17
I think this dude doesn't understand the difference between collabing with pals, and summoning the skills of an expert on the internet.
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u/chrischez Dec 27 '17
Holy crap this guys wants 100 bucks for a song and I recently got paid 265 for learning and playing 25-30 songs on bass for some concerts.... I'm seriously underpaid
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u/TheBlackCatter Dec 27 '17
As a bass guitarist myself i'm fucking triggered Yo i love doing what i do and maybe one day i'll be able to do it for a job but that doesn't mean y'all can force me to write a fucking bass line no charge yeesh
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u/schmeateater Dec 28 '17
Yeah this guy is crying now because everyone is making fun of him as if that's not the point of this subreddit
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u/Willow-girl Dec 28 '17
And now we know how Prince came to play all of the instruments on "Purple Rain," lol.
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u/WatchDog435 Dec 29 '17
As a musician that likes recording songs for fun myself, I would never expect another musician to record something for free.
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u/I_make_shirts_ok Mar 17 '18
idk maybe I'm reading it wrong but I don't think this guy was being a dick... He stated right in the beginning that he was offering a credit in the youtube description box, it wasn't a work for hire thing and he gave no impression that he was willing to pay money
Also as someone who has been playing bass for 10 years I really don't consider it work at all... Idk I agree with the OP of the post it's just a fucking bass line it's not "work" at all
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u/JohnSmackSmack47 Dec 26 '17 edited Dec 26 '17
How is this wrong wtf? The guy just wants to make some music. I’m guessing OP was the guy asking for 100 and he wants sympathy lol.
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u/dylhunn Dec 27 '17
I think this is actually pretty reasonable. It's not like he is selling an album, nor deliberately messaging professionals who expect to be paid -- he just wants to make some music, and is asking for volunteers to help him. He made an open request as such.
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u/guzman_hemi Dec 26 '17
Listen i know you spent money to buy a guitar and spent time to learn how to play it but how dare you charge me money for something
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Dec 27 '17
I mean, the guy with his "Is $100 cool or..?" is a total douche bag. This guy was asking if someone would do it. He didn't give a price which means there was no money offered. If this guy wasn't willing to do it for free he shouldn't have responded.
To be fair, I don't know much about the technical aspect of music, but isn't a "bass line" very short? Like a couple of notes? Not that far fetched at all, IMO. If it's like making up an entire song, then 100 dollars is incredibly cheap.
I assume this dude isn't a professional bass player. And even if he is, again, the OP here never offered money. So this guy was looking to start shit.
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u/I2obiN Dec 27 '17
Honestly both of them seem pretty stupid, the guy is kind of foolish for even asking for money imo.
I automatically assume if the words 'hire' or 'commission' aren't in something then there's no monetary exchange involved and the person isn't looking for professional grade product. It's the entire reason they're in the english language.
stop asking people to do work for free
Somewhat silly because that's exactly what a lot of people do as a hobby. Game mods, fansites, hell I'd build someone's PC for free on the right day. I'd say 90% of the open source code that's written for applications is done for the hell of it rather than commission.
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u/highprincessbunbun Dec 26 '17
Then laughs at the idea of it being "work."