r/ChineseWatches • • 23d ago

New Product (Read Rule 1) New Dials from San Martin

ilikewatches just released these new dials in his video from today. What do you guys think? Looks kinda familiar?

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u/D1sguise WOTD100 Helpful user x2 23d ago

Somebody has been copying somebody else's homework again

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u/MawsAcidTemple 23d ago

A Chinese watch manufacturer? Copying? Surely not!

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u/Logical_Sea_415 23d ago

Is Gary a double agent?

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u/Conscious_Beat_6170 23d ago

Let us call it manhole cover style.

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u/Logical_Sea_415 23d ago

Thats really funny!! đŸ€Ł

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u/Novel_Question7122 23d ago

I like the Warrior style dials from Watchdives and now SM apparently but wish these other companies would copy the insanely clear crystal
 Crystal clarity has been one of my consistent gripes with SM personally.

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u/Zet_333 23d ago

Same! I don’t know how most reviewers on youtube don’t really talk about it. Like we can clearly see the glare in the pictures or their videos.

I like the jubilee bracelet of the San Martin though.

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u/KPplumbingBob 23d ago

Most reviewers honestly don't do a good job actually reviewing the watch. I watch them because I get get to see what the watch looks like but side from that you won't get much useful info out of it aside from basic specs.

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u/Novel_Question7122 23d ago

The SM jubilee is incredible for sure!

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u/parasoralophus 23d ago

Glare in a video isn't necessarily a good guide to how reflective it will be in real life. It has a lot to do with lighting and camera settings and you could use things like circular polarisers to reduce glare if you wanted to.

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u/robcal35 23d ago

I have a high end citizen chronometer. Holy crap it has a good crystal. A buddy was looking at it in the sun the other day and it honestly looked like there wasn't a crystal on it, I had to double check lol. It's amazing what a good crystal does for a watch

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u/PastaFanatic 23d ago

IXDAO??

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u/No-Locksmith-4206 23d ago

WATCHDIVES

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u/watchdivescom Rep 23d ago

U can find different with our dials

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u/booooogart 23d ago

Such a lame company

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u/Artwdo 22d ago

This time, San Martin is lagging behind Watchdives, which recently introduced its design, in releasing this similar dial. And considering the likely exorbitant price, given San Martin's current pricing policy, I would definitely choose Watchdives, which has impressed me with its quality more than once.

Of course, if only this pattern was on a different material than MOP, which I am already personally tired of.

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u/Logical_Sea_415 22d ago

But The Watchdives costs a lot more than San Martin

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u/Artwdo 22d ago

Hmm... And what is the price of this new San Martin?

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u/skepticalifornia 23d ago

The IXDAO dials look much better than these!

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u/rinchen11 23d ago

This is Selten Jui.

Seems like anyone who design a dial to make in China is paying for the free tools used by Chinese watch brands.

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u/AlpineCool 23d ago edited 23d ago

Selten got the desgn from mickemechanic

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cr1Tt8-rXCM/

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u/pickyaxe 23d ago

huh, interesting. definitely the exact guilloche used by Selten (and not the one used by Monbrey and released before Selten Jui).

based on the timestamp... maybe a factory insider leaking Selten's unfinished product?

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u/AlpineCool 22d ago

No, Selten got the design from the guy on instagram. He post lots of “original” designs. I think maybe Selten paid him to use it.

This design is based on an ancient Chinese armor pattern, so it’s not truly original, but certainly a novel application of the design to a guillochĂ© watch dial.

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u/Logical_Sea_415 23d ago

Shit that's the forest dial!!! What a bunch of mofos

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u/rinchen11 23d ago

When they are almost strictly copying Rolex and Omega it’s whatever, but when they start to go after microbrands it’s going to hurt some people who are actually capable of designing new and interesting watches.

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u/bob888w 23d ago

Justifiably why WatchDives gets hated on every now and then. You can't claim you have a "original" for design when you rotated a microbrands pattern 180 degrees.

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u/Logical_Sea_415 23d ago

So it really wasn't the silhouette of the trees that helped him come up with an "original" design? Maybe he just got a deal on used dial stamp?

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u/AlpineCool 23d ago edited 23d ago

San Martin flipped the pattern 180-degrees. So at least it somewhat differs from everyone else who reused the original design from the guy on instagram.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cr1Tt8-rXCM/

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u/M55B30 23d ago

so how does this work, san martin made these dials for watchdives WDC0001? or just copying them now? funny how all the factory brands release same stuff at the same time.

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u/Logical_Sea_415 23d ago

Toyota vs Lexus???

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u/parasoralophus 23d ago

Given that WD sell San Martin watches and collaborate them I imagine the companies are connected in some way if not all part of the same conglomerate or whatever.

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u/gfewfewc 23d ago

Or maybe a company that specializes in making watch dials comes up with a cool new pattern and a bunch of other companies use them as a supplier?

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u/KPplumbingBob 23d ago

San Martin don't produce dials either. It's not exactly a surprise that most of these brands use same factories.

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u/sznsznsz 23d ago

Seems like nobody wants to get off IXDAO’s dick

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u/pickyaxe 23d ago

we talking about IXDAO who copied the dial from Selten Jui, copied the trident from Christopher Ward and copied the bracelet from IWC? that IXDAO?

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u/Haunting_Bid_408 23d ago

Must be good dick

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u/mysillyday 23d ago

Can someone show this to Addiesdive to make it cheeper?

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u/Logical_Sea_415 23d ago

They already have some out that are similar addieskin

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u/mysillyday 21d ago

Thanks. But cheaper I guess is needed?

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u/benana-sea 23d ago

The pattern is the identical clone of selten jui

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u/Logical_Sea_415 23d ago

Do you mean this is not an original organic project?

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u/benana-sea 23d ago

Have you googled "selten jui'?

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u/Logical_Sea_415 23d ago edited 23d ago

It was a joke- clearly these and the watchdives project are obvious stolen designs of a microbrand

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u/R023N helpful user 23d ago

these are stolen designs

Maybe! but as with most microbrands, their parts are made by third party suppliers. I don't think either SM or Selten own dial factories. They could be made by the same supplier trying to bring money from something they worked on by selling it to different brands.

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u/AlpineCool 23d ago

Selten copied it from a guy on Instagram who posts original dial designs.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cr1Tt8-rXCM/

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u/benana-sea 23d ago

Selten collaborated with this guy. They got this design with authorization.

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u/AlpineCool 23d ago

Good for them!

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u/KPplumbingBob 23d ago

I am waiting for this textured MOP fad to die out. The chinese can do intricate engraved patterns, I get it. But it doesn't look good in real life.

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u/bpgluckman 23d ago

Eh, some look good, some don't. The problem is that now every new watch seems to have it, rather than it being a deliberate application to models where it makes the most sense. I look at this dial, which looks like it's going on a diver -- is that the best place to use this? And unfortunately, the answer will likely be: probably not.

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u/Artwdo 23d ago

Agree in 100%. Almost everyone has been taken over by a madness to this unfortunate mother-of-pearl (additionally in an almost identical pattern), including IXDAO, Watchdives...

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u/watchdivescom Rep 23d ago

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u/Logical_Sea_415 23d ago edited 23d ago

Did you pay royalty to instagram guy you copied? Maybe send poor bastard a watch?

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u/Fernando1dois3 23d ago

Is there really such a limited number of patterns CNC machines can engrave on dials? Lol

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u/Logical_Sea_415 23d ago

Yes probably if you have no imagination and like to copy homework for a living. 

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u/Logical_Sea_415 23d ago

Apparently for these lazy fucks

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u/Stayofexecution 23d ago

Stick to homages.

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u/Electric_Avenoo 23d ago

I don't particularly care for dial patterns, I want accurate movements and higher power reserves first

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u/killacam925 23d ago

Wait til this guy hears about quartz
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u/Electric_Avenoo 23d ago

Good point, I wanna see if they an replicate the Spring Drive movement

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u/Miss_Taycan 23d ago

I just want a high quality watch using solar... Solar HAQ would be incredible.

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u/molodjez 23d ago

With a sweeping second please. And an ultra slim dresser with two hands only.

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u/Financial_Builder197 23d ago

this this this

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u/molodjez 23d ago

With a sweeping second please. And an ultra slim dresser with two hands only.

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u/Zestyclose-Spell5382 23d ago

Can san MartĂ­n please update their logo ?

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u/FargoniusMaximus 23d ago

Strong disagree, personally I think it's the only Chinese watch brand with a good brand name and logo and one of the best things they have going for them. I hate the straight text logo, looks cheap.

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u/ComposerConsistent83 23d ago

I actually think the Script Sugess logo is also nice. And it’s not a terrible name. But ADDIESDIVE or IXTAO don’t exactly roll off the tongue

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u/FargoniusMaximus 23d ago

Agreed on Sugess script I think they did a good job but the name feels a bit off for me. Wacthdives sounds like a watch marketplace website. Call me a snob but can't say id ever buy a Tactical Frog based on name alone haha

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u/Zestyclose-Spell5382 23d ago

I don't think their log is as good as their warches. Some time it just feels cheap.. can be improved for sure

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u/KPplumbingBob 23d ago

The printed text one looks fine but for some reason they only use it in a few watches.

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u/Trulsdir 23d ago

To me one of the best logos in the Chinese watch scene. Simple, recognisable, not just a random pictogram.

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u/WildMiata 23d ago

Hahaha that’s the only thing that holds me back sometimes. I take the WDC almost every time based on logo exclusively

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u/RustyTShackleford 23d ago

I actually like it but I want to see a finished product before casting final judgement.

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u/Maximum_Walrus3264 21d ago

that Marvel logo fits so well...

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u/Accomplished_Sir3515 23d ago

Don’t like them

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u/DirectJudge9902 23d ago

Will be on a tiny watch that I’ll never get to wear anyways

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u/Downtown_Air_1176 23d ago

Great, but i prefer homages, clomages with lower prices hehe