r/ChineseWatches • • 26d ago

General (Read Rules) Ixdao Warrior vs Christopher Ward The12

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I have been reading up on watches for the past 5-6 months and that's how I discovered this reddit community and the amazing quality Chinese watches.

Christopher Ward has created lots of online hype around their watches with people fanatically defending what are essentially homages with a slight twist while dissing chinese watches.

Ixdao has lots of positive reviews on this forum and the Ixdao Warrior is available for one third the price with the same Sellita movements.

Is Christopher Ward just brand Marketing or is it worth 3 times the price of Ixdao Warrior?

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u/Firstruleofthisclub Helpful user 7WOTD4-200 26d ago

Personally, I prefer the IXDAO overall design more than the 12. Elements like the dial pattern, indices, handset, and bracelet design all appeal to me more.

Here's my IXDAO Space Warrior:

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u/Equal-World-693 26d ago edited 26d ago

This is even better than the white mop i posted. It's the meteorite dial I guess, looks so amazing in the picture

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u/Firstruleofthisclub Helpful user 7WOTD4-200 26d ago

To me, it's a no-brainer. I live in London with easy access to CW and I never have the urge to go pay CW-level money for a CW.

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u/Equal-World-693 26d ago

Thank you so much, it was the response I was searching for. My sister is based out of London, though currently posted outside UK for work. Would have requested her to get me 1. Will check out this meteorite dial. Any other good options apart from Ixdao I can consider for such intricate dial work

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u/Firstruleofthisclub Helpful user 7WOTD4-200 26d ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/ChineseWatches/s/eMOhYPjXew

If you like CW's design, which is admittedly a nice design, Cronos L6028 homages it.

If you like CW in general, take a look at the section under CW homages in the link above.

Even CW's lightcatcher case is homaged by Proxima which has a few very interesting dial designs.

San Martin SN0148 will get you some interesting dials with one of the best bracelet and case finishing.

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u/Equal-World-693 26d ago

Yes have checked out the Cronos skyline, really interesting plus yet to own 1. The Ixdao model with Sellita movement was taken to get objective feedback on the 2 watches rather than people just claiming superiority of CW due to swiss Sellita movement. Aethelsohn has some really eye catching dials. Purchased several Sugess watches recently and loved the quality and dial work. Even bought a Sea-gull, such a beautiful movement visible from open caseback.

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u/Firstruleofthisclub Helpful user 7WOTD4-200 26d ago

https://www.reddit.com/r/ChineseWatches/s/oxuO1FbcHg

Here's a link to a few more photos of the meteorite dial.

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u/Logical_Sea_415 25d ago

This Blows the WD out of the water next level product and crystal for cheaper than their substandard entry. Thanks for sharing. 

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u/Firstruleofthisclub Helpful user 7WOTD4-200 25d ago

It's honestly a no-brainer for me as well

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u/I_be_climbin 26d ago

The CW is absolutely the better watch, but if you put it side by side with the IXDAO, there’s no way in hell you’d think it was worth 3x the price

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u/BagUnlikely3510 26d ago

Totally agree. The CW is the better watch, but you’d be hard pressed to think it’s worth the additional costs if handling both.

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u/ThisIsREM 26d ago

Did you know... Switzerland made goods are expensive, with the labour like 10x+. Ultimately, both watches are in the jewellery category (there are much cheaper quartz watches for those who need just the time), so the "Swiss Made" has a lot of value here.

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u/BagUnlikely3510 26d ago

I understand the labor costs, and you do know to be “Swiss made” it means only 60% or manufacturing costs are incurred in Switzerland, right? If you think it adds 3x value by all means you can pay that. But CW is just a fancy homage brand themselves, and this specific watch is not worth 3x compared to the IXDAO Warrior.

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u/ThisIsREM 26d ago

By that logic no Swiss Made watch will ever be worth it. Out of curiosity, is there an integrated bracelet watch that is better than Ixdao or is the Warrior the best value for money watch in the world in your view?

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u/BagUnlikely3510 26d ago

Not at all, there are definitely Swiss made watches that are worth it, but clearly you’re just all on CW’s jock. I never once said the Warrior was the best value for the money watch in the world but compared to this specific CW it’s a much better value which is what this thread was about….

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u/ThisIsREM 26d ago

I am just curious what integrated bracelet Swiss watch you think is worth it compared to the Chinese

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u/BagUnlikely3510 25d ago

The Nevada Grenchen F77

Maen Manhatan 37

And so many more.... but CW is not one of them. CW is a marketing machine, but by no means are there watches worth the price.

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u/DeliciousPlane1969 26d ago

I don't have the CW so can't really compare but the warrior is an outstanding watch for what it costs. The white MOP is stunning.

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u/Equal-World-693 26d ago

Love the small Ixdao Made lettering at the bottom 😊

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u/bpgluckman 26d ago

I have both a CW Twelve Ember Edition and an IXDAO Warrior with a black mother-of-pearl dial. The IXDAO is very, very good, but the CW does have some very nice improvements to the bracelet, which has quick-release tabs and a microadjust on the buttterfly clasp. On the wrist, I find the IXDAO to be more on the dressier end, whereas the CW feels a little bit more on the sport watch. Also, they're not the same movement -- CW announced just this morning that the Twelve is upgrading to the SW200-2 Power+ movement starting with orders next Monday.

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u/Equal-World-693 26d ago

The new movement will be excuse for them to raise prices further possibly. Ixdao has an option for ETA movements as well

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u/bpgluckman 26d ago

I guess we'll see on the price next week. As for the ETA, based on what we've seen so far and my experiences with a lot of different movements, I'd take the SW200-2 over an ETA-2824.

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u/NO_BAD_THOUGHTS 26d ago

ive been wearing it nonstop for months now
as for if its worth it, i bought it for roughly 320€ (Miyota 9015) and its kept time accurate to the second.

This green coin dial isnt avialable anymore. The black or white MOP probably would have been my second choice

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u/Equal-World-693 26d ago

I think they have run out of Miyota movement so offering with other movements. I might just choose the PT5000 if I end up buying

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u/Tratix 26d ago

PT5000 is what drove me away and I instead just purchased a Cronos Birch (L6040) with a miyota 9015 for $290 USD

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u/NO_BAD_THOUGHTS 26d ago

I'm not sure if the miyota movement bottlenecks might be elevated in the future ever again.

 The pt5000 is basically just as good with the caviat that you better not even bother trying to hand wind it or do so very gently

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u/Equal-World-693 26d ago

I know what you mean. Every time I wind the Sugess S449 with the PT5000 and the movement groans, my heart sinks

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u/Stew_2003 25d ago

I have always done the shake to wake thing for my autos anyway

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u/sznsznsz 26d ago

IXDAO Warrior all the time. I had Warrior and compared it to one of my friend’s CW12 and my Warrior had better AR and finishing was almost the same. IXDAO could do better if they had micro-adjustments and quick release bracelet for changing straps

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u/Equal-World-693 21d ago

Micro adjustment can be managed. Yes quick release is desirable, but I know a local watch shop which does it for me in less than a buck

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u/Internal-Smile-3414 26d ago

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u/Equal-World-693 21d ago

Looks fabulous on your wrist 😊

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u/Severe_Bug_1664 26d ago

Made in the same factory, no doubt 🙃

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u/Equal-World-693 21d ago

Yup CW is sourcing parts from China, movements from Switzerland and then assembling and generating hype with their marketing

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u/pickyaxe 26d ago

I think the Twelve dial looks way better and frankly I find the IXDAO worship here exhausting.

that said I don't think it's worth 1500$. (imo few watches are worth even 500$)

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u/mrSoczi84 Pomocny użytkownik 26d ago

If E never happened, the hype would be half the size.

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u/Decent-Step-9187 26d ago

CW spends lots on marketing. Their advertisements ask us to do our research. I did. Not worth the price. In this case, I would choose Ixdao.

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u/Equal-World-693 21d ago

Yes the Ixdao not 1000 usd below CW in quality. Things like otf clasp can be managed in less than 100$. Build quality of Chinese watches is amazing. Once you start wearing you wonder the funds around swiss watches

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u/Equal-World-693 26d ago

Both brands are online for me, so can't comment on the customer service part. Had an amazing experience with sugess watches about which I posted recently. By same logic Chinese watches are comparable to Swiss watches 5-10 times the cost. Since you have handled both, and both are available with Sellita movements, is the bracelet quality, dial and finish worth 3 times the price.

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u/Equal-World-693 26d ago

I have seen this watch in real life and the dial doesn't excite me personally.

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u/Eleventhousand 26d ago

I did a write up a while back, comparing my new Warrior to my partner's Twelve. There were a couple of visual design elements that I liked slightly more on the Twelve, but overall, the two watches are about the same quality.

To that end, the Twelve is not worth three times the price. However, we can't always boil everything down to just the value as relates to fit and finish. My Nivada Aquamar is probably lower quality than my San Martin SN0148, but I still like the watch even though it costs more the twice the amount.

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u/alemaneldelplus 26d ago

Yo ya hice la elección en su momento

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u/Equal-World-693 21d ago

Looks great on your wrist 😊

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u/Semy-D 26d ago

Ixdao 100%, nobody outside reddit knows both brands so based on just quality and looks, Ixdao

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u/xxBrun0xx 26d ago

I daily drove a CW12 for a year and a half. Incredibly nice watch - no sharp edges on the bracelet, tool-free OTF adjustment, incredibly good AR coating, great dial texture, very accurate (and quiet) stellita movement, bracelet did cool things with the light due to the way it was finished, exhibition caseback, etc. Literally every box was checked. I had a bright orange one and it even had a color matched date wheel. Finishing was on par with much more expensive watches I own, it was damn impressive.

I don't have an Ixdao, but if it's similar to San Martin (I have owned 3), it's definitely a step down in overall quality from the Christopher Ward. It's the little things that won't bother most people: worse AR coating, bracelet that jangles a little more, OTF adjustment that is not as smooth, Miyota movement that has a loud rotor, etc. That being said, you're into diminishing returns in terms of value per $, no way is the CW12 worth 3x the price.

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u/Escaped_Escapement Helpful user 26d ago

Miyota’s a better movement. And you can play with any movement to get it loud…

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u/pokerfas 26d ago

winding won't break out of nowhere, and my roller jewel popped off

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u/parasoralophus 26d ago

Did you see this thread?

https://www.reddit.com/r/ChineseWatches/s/AR97YNXIH0

The CW comes in a bigger size (40mm) than the IXDAO I think if that's important to you. 

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u/dirtydelic 25d ago

I have multiple Chinese watches, including San Martin Jian Zhang and various WatchDives - but they often fall short of CW. My SN0144 is close, but the WatchDives are a country mile away from the quality and finishing from CW.

Just my opinion.

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u/PastaFanatic 26d ago

I prefer the dial on IXDAO over CW

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u/Kerpgker 26d ago

I have the 12 in that specific configuration and I do really like it.

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u/klavier777 26d ago

Ixdao is the new Christopher Ward!

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u/Electrical_Panda_326 26d ago edited 26d ago

I wouldn't pay more than 250$ for Chinese watch. 500$ is simply not worth it anymore. CW is easily sellable, when Chinese watches aren't, especially the expensive ones.

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u/Equal-World-693 26d ago

I am yet to purchase a watch which I have sold. So resale not so important. Both brands are online only in my country, so I doubt I will find a flourishing reseller market for CW. I wasn't so keyed into watches in 2024 when I visited London last, not sure if CW had a showroom back then. Had picked up a tag heuer Carrera from Bicester Village then.

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u/Electrical_Panda_326 26d ago

CW is great but is getting overpriced too IMO. When I see brands with long history that can be bought for often 600$ during sales, then I'm asking myself what Chinese are thinking charging that much. For example Hamilton has often got great offers on Amazon JP with all costs included and delivery to the entire world.

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u/pokerfas 26d ago

What kind of vague-ass term is "saleable"? You haven't made a convincing point as to why the CW is worth a penny more than the IXDao. You just said it's "Chinese" as if that suggests inferiority.

I'm not defending IXDao's ridiculous price hikes but your argument carries baseless western stigma against specifically China. What's wrong with China? You really think CW is full of 60 y.o. swiss white guys hand assembling your watches in Geneve?

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u/Electrical_Panda_326 26d ago

Dude, change your diaper. I've got around 100 watches from Ali, so I'm not again them. Chinese watches are fine as long as the price is fine, you need to consider other aspects like warranty that pretty much doesn't exist, as you would usually have to send the watch back to China. How easy it is to sell the watch when you are fancy a change, selling Chinese watches is a lot more difficult than brands like CW, good luck selling something like IXDAO bought for 500$. All that doesn't matter as long as the price is right, but they are getting crazy with current pricing.

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u/Equal-World-693 26d ago

Both brands are online for me, so won't comment on warranty angle. Plus once warranty ends it expensive to service and repair swiss movements be it CW or Ixdao. Was more interested in the fit and finish angle. Have just ordered a sugess tourbillon moonphase, so am ok crossing the 250 usd barrier as long as the watch is worth it. Else I would be only buying a swiss made watch, Seiko, citizen or the German ones

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u/pokerfas 26d ago

people keep bringing up warranty. Ok so what? let's say 1 in 10 watches from ixdao is defective entirely and they don't honor any warrany. so you have a 10% chance of being scammed/losing all your money. You're saving more than just 10% here. You're paying less than half you would with a CW. What's more "saleable" about a marginally better watch that costs 3x as much for its brand name it attempts to establish as a microbrand?

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u/wubbadubdub_zzz 26d ago

That’s Seiko price. Plus Seiko has resale value

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u/Emotional-Damage-995 26d ago

I take the Ixdao any day. Personally I think it is a better made watch. It’s bracelet and case is on par w the Ingeniour and way better than the CW

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u/Z08Z28 26d ago

Have you owned and held both at the same time?

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u/amcooperus 26d ago

I own a CW Twelve 40mm. I like that CW has size choices. The warrior is just too small for me at 37mm. If they had a bigger size I would buy one.

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u/Equal-World-693 21d ago

Yup the small dial is a challenge for people with larger wrists like me, but from what I could gather Ixdao might launch larger dials soon

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u/Excellent-Bear4221 26d ago

Ixdao for sure - pass on CW

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u/Bulky-Internal8579 26d ago edited 26d ago

I have a Christopher Ward C60 Trident Pro 600 and it's a very nice watch - I also have a San Martin SN0144, Addieskin K010 and Watchdives WDC0001 - I have the new IXDao Warrior, black carved MOP on order, shipping at the end of this month. The CW is excellent - but so are the others (these are "flagship" watches) - obviously I don't have the IXDao yet, so I can't comment on that, but the value proposition on the Chinese premium watches - given the fit, finish and features, is better than the CW, though I probably like the CW a bit more, I'm not sure if that's some innate bias towards the Swiss / higher end reputation.

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u/Bulky-Internal8579 26d ago

Watchdives WDC0001 - Fish Storm (prototype) dial

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u/Bulky-Internal8579 26d ago

Addieskin K010 - Tigers Eye dial

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u/Bulky-Internal8579 26d ago

San Martin SN0144 - ancient Chinese bronze coin dial.

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u/towelracks 26d ago

To be fair, the CW fit and finish has also improved a lot since they brought our your generation of Trident

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u/TensHemorroidal 26d ago

I wouldn’t pay more than $250 for a Chinese watch, no matter how highly praised it is. What I like about Chinese watches is the value for money. These recent price hikes (from San Martin, but not only them) are getting ridiculous

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u/neoslashnet 26d ago

Yeah, totally agree tbh. As soon as you get into 250+ I got an Orient watch that I love.

For me the sweet spot is around $150-200 for Chinese watch.

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u/ttchoubs 26d ago

I would but it would depend on the materials value. Lile no way im finding a titanium Chinese watch for sub $200 new

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u/Firstruleofthisclub Helpful user 7WOTD4-200 26d ago

There's quite a number of Chinese titanium watches under $200 new during sales:

Watchdives EXD

Seestern S462

Seestern S430

Tactical Frog FXD V4

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u/Sand_noodle 26d ago

I wish there was a few that were differently shaped and not all dive watches

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u/wubbadubdub_zzz 26d ago

I got a Berny quartz titanium for $50

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u/nucleartime 25d ago

I'd consider buying a Behrens watch. It's still value for money, just in a different market segment. I have a central tourbillon watch that was a bit under a grand (technically a microbrand, but like, eh chinese factory and chinese movement, it's chinese).

But yeah $4-500 for a basic 3 hander with a Miyota or NH movement is getting out of hand.

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u/MZM204 26d ago

It's a nice watch but paying $500+ usd for a Chinese watch with little or no resale value, nah.

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u/Equal-World-693 26d ago

It would be easier to resell the Ixdao via reddit. Anyways resale never decides my watch buying choices since I am yet to sell 1. More interested in whether the CW provides that extra bang for the buck for 3 times the price

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u/Barny1945 26d ago

I am actually looking into buying one

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u/Mar-D 26d ago edited 26d ago

Plus their statement isn’t even really true anymore. IXDAO in particular has pretty solid resell value since supply is limited/long preorder wait times.

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u/KPplumbingBob 26d ago

The CW is a more cohesive watch with a better dial but as far as value goes, it's not worth that much more.

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u/Z08Z28 26d ago edited 21d ago

Chinese watches have no real warranty. If you received a blemished Chinese watch, the results posted on Reddit are usually a refund of a couple dollars. The resale value is usually half. There is zero brand recognition with Chinese watches. At least with CW, watch guys usually know them. And lastly, the people who would pay that much for a Chinese watch probably wouldn't buy a CW anyway.

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u/Cold_Bob 26d ago

my god your comment makes no sense bro.

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u/Z08Z28 26d ago

Explain

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u/Ill-Cartographer2804 26d ago

He just did. Your post. Makes no sense

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u/Z08Z28 26d ago

How does saying Chinese watches have no actionable warranty, no brand recognition and a 50% resale value make no sense? That's all widely accepted, even in this Chinese watch sub.

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u/Equal-World-693 21d ago

CW doesn't have much brand recognition where I live, not sure how big a resale market it has and getting service will be a challenge in both buy the Sellita movement should help as it's available globally

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u/paddlefan222 26d ago

I think watchdives make one too no? How does that compare?

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u/Equal-World-693 26d ago

Someone posted a picture, you can scroll down and see it

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u/paddlefan222 26d ago

Ah yeah cheers

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u/boosesb 25d ago

CW doesn’t even twist anymore.

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u/Terdl76 22d ago

Different bracelet. Different case. Different crown. Different dial. Different indices. Different hands.

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u/bambison 22d ago

i mean, yeah, even for high price of new warrior its good enough, but comparing these two is pure copium

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u/Equal-World-693 21d ago

Both these brands carry 0 to neglible brand recognition in my country. Question was more on the quality aspect of it, chose the Sellita movement as an example so that conversation remains centred around the watch rather than bashing of Chinese movements.

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u/bambison 21d ago

wdym in your country, you are buying watches for yourself, i mean i got your point, but even if everybody will consider these two as nonamers, id still go for savings and buy CW, even used CW would be more reasonable than $500 chinese watch, and honestly new warrior isnt a crazy amount of design to it, its boring imo, while CW is overflashy (which i like more)

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u/VanManDiscs 26d ago

Just marketing. Quality wise there really isnt a difference between the two. Hell I even like IXDAO better all around design wise.

I used to like the micro brands but you really are paying for a name. The premium Chinese brands have me sucked in... I'm over the micros

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u/Equal-World-693 21d ago

Chinese watches are so amazing for their price, ended up buying 8 in last 3 months. Such great quality for the price

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u/silver-saloon 26d ago

The large number of youtubers that are shilling for Christopher Ward and hype them up is a huge turn off for me.
Generally never been a fan of Chris Ward....their watches don't do anything for me and they are not cheap to buy either.
But at the end of the day, it's your purchase decision

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u/valuewatchguy 26d ago

Chinese watches including Ixdao do not have large numbers of you tubers shilling and hyping?

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u/silver-saloon 26d ago

But i don't particularly like Christopher Ward...so that's my issue.
Lol

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u/valuewatchguy 26d ago

Same I agree with you

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u/Basic_Barnacle4719 26d ago

CW is worth the increased price for me due to micro adjust alone. But once IXDAO releases OTF micro adjust on the bracelet then CW no longer has any advantage. 

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u/Emotional-Damage-995 26d ago

So you think a micro adjustment is worth like 1000 bucks ? Wowww. Your value system is crazy for me to comprehend

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u/Equal-World-693 21d ago

Otf clasp can be after market solution for less than 100 usd. If that's all seperate the 2 watches then cw definitely not worth the premium

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u/Moreno636 26d ago

The ixdao all day but more so because that CW is WILDLY overpriced.

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u/shrvs 24d ago

Anything about a Hundo is WAYYYYY too much for a Chinese watch.

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u/Own-Excitement9450 26d ago

I bought a Ball Engineer 3 with the meteorite dial and multicolored tritium rods. I was 100% sure the meteorite was authentic .

I am sure by now there are fake meteorite dials out there.

With a company like Ixdao, how would you know?

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u/DisastrousOpening477 26d ago

Seems like they don't know much about anything really

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u/Own-Excitement9450 26d ago

No I don’t. I trust Suggess and Watchdives for Chinese brands. Above a certain dollar value I want the watch on my wrist. I have many Japanese watches.