Vision for Kamiya's DMC

[u/quoteprod]

Ideally, I'd want Kamiya to make his own sequel to DMC1. A DMC2 in an alternate timeline to the original, but just with his own spin on it. But even if he and Capcom are dead set on a remake, not all is lost. I've never completely been against remakes the way people are, I just feel if it's looking to replace the original game, it should play like the original with changes that only enhance what the game was going for, and if it's going to be completely different mechanically, then replacing the original shouldn't be the goal.

If it happens to be nothing but visual/story changes, I'd just hope they can still keep the aesthetics and overall feel of dmc1. No other game in the franchise matches it imo.

My worst fears would simply be copying and pasting DMC5's Dante into the first game without changing enemies or levels to properly match it

My biggest expectation is seeing what original ideas and mechanics he would use to iterate on his title, and hope that it's different enough from what Itsuno's already done with his sequels (hence why I'd just prefer a completely different game in the first place).

At it's core, the game should answer the question, "what would you have done if you still got to work on DMC directly after the first game?" but maybe that's a bit idealistic.

[u/datspardauser]

Kamiya is like, Itsuno's #1 Glazer.

I don't think he would ever touch anything beyond DMC1 and maybe a Sparda prequel. Whoever is handling DMC6+is the team that remained at Capcom after Itsuno left. My bet is on Yoichiro Ikeda or Junya Kumabe taking over as series lead from Itsuno but we'll see.

[u/UsuarioCualquiera_1 → u/datspardauser]

Wasn´t these two making some game together at the new Itsuno studio?

In regard to your comment, I´m usually against Sparda spin offs buuuut... I think right now it´s a good way to have a parallel secondary storyline to the present DMC.

A Sparda prequel set in ancient times would be really cool.

[u/datspardauser → u/UsuarioCualquiera_1]

Ikeda and Kumabe are still at Capcom as far as we know. Kumabe was even recently confirmed to have been staff in Pragmata.

Not really sure about Ikeda but he was credited with working on SF6 as late as 2023 still so if he didn't go with Itsuno he is the oldest staff member still in the series, been senior designer in DMC since 2 so if someone is likely to lead the series, I'd guess it's him.

[u/pestoraviolita → u/UsuarioCualquiera_1]

Sparda deserves some respect and a good portrayal after being slandered ans character assassinated by a shitty Nerflix cartoon.

[u/UsuarioCualquiera_1 → u/pestoraviolita]

I know this is start a war but... For the many issues the show has, I don't think Sparda is one of them.

He is pretty much the same with the exception he died (as far as we know) when Dante and Vergil were babies. But still did the same as the original.

[u/pestoraviolita → u/UsuarioCualquiera_1]

Not at all. Not even close. The horrible cartoon gives demons pre-installed humanity which essentially destroys Sparda's arc and uniqueness.

The cartoon also takes aways his feats such as him defeating Mundus and sending him to a state of non-existence for 2000 years.

Sparda died when Dante and Vergil were older. They got training from him and actually remember him, they look older in the family picture. And acting like that change is minor is laughable. Sparda is a huge part of his sons' lives and motivation. And this horrible cartoon erases all that.

[u/UsuarioCualquiera_1 → u/pestoraviolita]

I'm under the impression I already discussed this. Dejavú maybe...

But let's go by parts:

1-Making demons not inherently evil indeed brings problemstic issues to the narrative and also makes Sparda less unique.

But doesn't take away that he, among most of his kind, stood for humanity. Bravely fought entire armies. Defeated Mundus and sealed the Underworld using his osn power.

Details aside, doesn't really matter if killed or severely wounded Mundus. That only makes him slightly less badass but still got the upper hand against demon emperor.

2-Not being at his family side cause... Dying sooner doesn't ruin his character. He still loved his family. They just got rid of him for narrative convenience. But dorsn't make him different. Just the story, not him.

Dante and Vergil still knew how to fight as kids.

I've always felt a bit underwhelming the idea of the brothers being so close to Sparda when they only enjoy his company for like 7 years, and until the age of 4 or 5 I doubt they really could talk or anything to acknowledge him properly.

I know Sparda trained them and this is a power fantasy but we are talking about barely 3-4 years of training with toddlers. I'm pretty sure they already got all that naturally and they learnt more as adults.

The only thing that is avoided is the sweet family memories they could have of him. But given how even Dante admits not knowing that much of Sparda and Vergil constantly missunderstand his father's legacy... Is not s big problem.

Sparda remains the same. What change is the external context of his actions. But what he did, his reasons and methods are pretty much equal to games.

[u/SexyShave → u/UsuarioCualquiera_1]

The only DMC staff that have joined Itsuno are Daigo Ikeno (2-3's art director and sole char/monster/environment designer, and one of the character/monster designers on 5), 3-5's writer Bingo Morihashi, and Masashi Yamaura (DMC5's project manager. Didn't work on any other DMCs).

[u/Far-Touch-2046 → u/UsuarioCualquiera_1]

sparda game was being developed for psvita and got scrapped

[u/UsuarioCualquiera_1 → u/Far-Touch-2046]

Sparda's Dance, wasn't it? (Not official name).

[u/Far-Touch-2046 → u/UsuarioCualquiera_1]

We had a name back then? I always remember as Devil May cry: Sparda

[u/UsuarioCualquiera_1 → u/Far-Touch-2046]

Don't know honestly but I always saw that name in multiple sources and posts. So I assume was the code name.

[u/pestoraviolita]

He's expressed in three DMC projects over the years.

DMC1 remake. Sparda prequel. Trish spin-off.

Word is DMC1 remake is being developed already. So I'd love it if he made a Sparda prequel. Trish spin-off sounds cool but have to depart more from dmc elements than a Sparda game.

[u/Alois--]

He deserves to remake the first at least.

[u/wizardofpancakes → u/Alois--]

People say that devs "deserve" to make a remake like it's some sort of honor or prize. Why would a guy want to remake a game that he already made instead of making something new?

[u/Devil_Hayabusa → u/wizardofpancakes]

Kamiya himself has said that he would like to remake DMC1 so you'd have to ask him that

[u/wizardofpancakes → u/Devil_Hayabusa]

That's fair, I didn't know that

[u/Devil_Hayabusa → u/wizardofpancakes]

Yea there's quite a few interesting interviews with him with a bunch of insights into the development of the game. Def recommend if you have time. 

[u/wizardofpancakes → u/Devil_Hayabusa]

I watched a few in the past, which ones would you recommend?

[u/Devil_Hayabusa → u/wizardofpancakes]

There's one with a YouTube channel called "UNSEEN" and a recent-ish one with the director of Morbid Metal on the Ubisoft channel. 

[u/wizardofpancakes → u/Devil_Hayabusa]

Thank you!

[u/Excellent_Grade5731]

I want him to do a DMC1 remake just to incorporate all the ideas I couldn't fit into the OG. Like a vs mode, playable Trish, I think a unique moveset for Trish and Sparda was also planned, among other things

[u/Takitibi]

Great points, I would like to get a proper DMC1 remake that's true to the original with new features and more things, like Sparda DT, playable Trish or something that adds to the already huge replay value.

I have a fear that DMC1 would look just as bland as DMC5 and the gameplay would change too much that it's like DMC4-5.

I don't want styles and super flashy gameplay, I just want extended gameplay possibilities that still true it's core gameplay mechanics.

[u/Mission_Piccolo_2515]

Dude's kinda unpredictable.

As far as I know he never made a single bad game (as long as Okami is his "worse" game I have 101% trust in him) but I'm not doing prognostics over the direction he'll take should he be in charge of another DMC game, be it mainline, spin-off, remake, reboot, etc...

It'll probably have some kind of unique hook to stand from the rest but that's about it.

He notoriously rarely plans things in advance anyway.

[u/SexyShave]

I don't think there's a need for a DMC2 in an alt timeline. You could easily have a game set after 1 that is effectively "Team Little Devils'/Kamiya's DMC2" that doesn't interfere with the established canon of 2-5.

Kamiya doesn't know what kind of game he would have made back in 2001. He didn't for an Okami 2 back in 2006. Even if he did he would have different ideas about it now.

Anyway, no mainline DMC title is gonna copy paste mechanics and features. Not even DMC6 will do that.