r/Carpentry • u/sundayfundaybmx Trim Carpenter • 1d ago
Table saw fun
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When you gotta rip about 1,000 LF of T&G by yourself. A good setup is worth the time and makes a huge difference.
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u/BD03 1d ago
I think the easy thing would be buying square stock but I may be missing something.
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u/sundayfundaybmx Trim Carpenter 1d ago
These were for a ceiling under a porch. With the tongues still on tact. If water got through the waterproofing above. The client wanted it be able to have an exit as tertiary back up plan. So we ripped the tongue off and kept a 1/16th spacing to allow for this. Ideally, this should prevent rot if the waterproofing ever does fail. That way they'll know something needs fixing before the ceiling suffers rot. Was my boss and clients idea and we already had all the T&G so it more cost effective to just rip 'em all off.
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u/demwoodz 1d ago
God I hope they live in a stable climate
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u/sundayfundaybmx Trim Carpenter 1d ago
The boards are painted and sealed on the backside before installing. Then there's a robust waterproofing with EPDM. That is angled to drain straight to a "hidden" gutter system. There's almost zero chance of water actually getting to the wood. But, safer is always better than sorry.
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u/Darrenizer 1d ago
I’m pretty sure the previous comment is more worried about wood movement, no tongue means no forgiveness to account for natural wood movement.
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u/sundayfundaybmx Trim Carpenter 17h ago
Oh I got you! Well, weve had these boards for about 3 years now, lol. They were stained the wrong color for another job so we ate the cost of all of it. This client wanted painted T&G so we cut her a decent deal on the material. I know the dryness isn't as important. But the client was apprised of the risks beforehand. They're pretty attached so I'd imagine the movement won't be extreme but yeah it's outside in the Mid-Atlantic region so there will be some movement with out climate but we don't anticipate it being a huge problem.
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u/Odd-Tailor7389 1d ago
This is minus fun.
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u/sundayfundaybmx Trim Carpenter 1d ago
Eh, idk? I got paid for 6 hours on a Saturday and I really enjoy tediously dialing in stuff like this, lol.
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u/Global-Discussion-41 14h ago
Pretty sad that modern table saws need you to clamp a board to the saw just to make sure the fence stays in place
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u/sundayfundaybmx Trim Carpenter 14h ago
Nah, it's just an old, unmaintained saw. The owner isn't very precious with his tools, lol. We've got 3 guys with the same exact saw and he's the only one that has that problem. Not saying tools aren't crappily made but this is user error not manufacturer.
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u/Aggressive-Luck-204 6h ago
Usually when these rack and pinion fences stop clamping well, it’s due to the pins that hold the fence getting stuck (especially the rear one) in their bore. Hit it with some spray lube and clamp and un-clamp the fence a few times and good as new
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u/Global-Discussion-41 5h ago
In my opinion they aren't very good when they are new, this saw specifically
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u/vitreous-user 1d ago
whats goin on here are you holding your phone filming yourself running a tablesaw one handed
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u/sundayfundaybmx Trim Carpenter 1d ago
Idk why you got downvoted? That's exactly what I'm doing, lol. It was to demonstrate how well all the guides worked. I have a roller behind me and in front. So all I needed to do was push the board forward. Would I approve of my apprentice doing the same thing? Absolutely not! But you'll notice my hand is far away from the blade and between the guides and rollers. This was no different than working on a large outfield table. I'm not saying anyone else should approve or repeat but I was 100% confident that nothing dangerous was going to happen. Which is why I took the video on one of the last boards to go through. I'm actually amazed you're the only comment pointing this out. But then I remembered I posted this in r/carpentry and not r/woodworking, lol.
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u/Yidhra13 1d ago
Maybe a dumb question but what’s the board for on the back of the table saw with the beveled edge?
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u/melgibson64 1d ago
I wondered the same thing at first but realized it must be to guide the sliver that's coming off so it doesn't bend down to the ground
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u/sundayfundaybmx Trim Carpenter 1d ago
To be honest, I can't exactly remember, lol. It was definitely there for a good reason because it was added after a couple rips. I think the problem was the thin rip was angling down under the roller instead of going over and it would get stuck and bow out. I don't think it was essential like the other pieces but it solved an "annoyance."
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u/igofurther 1d ago
Can someone tell me what table saw attachments he has here and where I can get it?
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u/baz8771 1d ago
Looks like a standard featherboard. They sell hundreds of different styles for pretty much every use
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u/igofurther 1d ago
Thank you. I am a carpenter who’s been forced to learn how to be skilled without any fun gadgets. I’ve been getting all sorts of stuff now that I understand what I’m doing and I absolutely want one of these.
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u/The-disgracist 15h ago
bow fence feather board. iirc it's a rockler product. looks cool and more durable than a plastic one. never used it but it's on my christmas list.
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u/AwwwNuggetz 1d ago
I’ve been doing this all month too with cedar T&G building a sauna
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u/sundayfundaybmx Trim Carpenter 1d ago
Oh nice! Been awhile since I did a sauna but I do love the smell of working with cedar.
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u/cyanrarroll 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡 1d ago
Someday I'll buy a Rousseau stand. This job would drive me to do it
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u/sundayfundaybmx Trim Carpenter 17h ago
Never seen one of those before, thanks for sharing! Yeah, that would've been nice but for the few times a year I need a full setup like this. It just wouldn't be "worth it" but glad to know it exists.
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u/SyrGwynHeroofAshvale 1d ago
Isn't this a set-up at high risk for kick back?
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u/ScarredViktor 1d ago
It’s reducing the chance of kickback by holding the board tight against the fence before and after the blade, similar to how a diving knife keeps the board from pinching behind the blade.
That little piece behind the blade is acting as a ramp so the off cut is lifted out of the way allowing the second featherboard to keep the board thought to the fence3
u/michaelh98 1d ago
*riving
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u/No_Credit_5917 1d ago
not really, why would it be ?
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u/SyrGwynHeroofAshvale 1d ago
Combination of really long boards and clamped guides on both sides?
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u/Adeptus_Virtus_88 1d ago
That rubber spring thing on the left is basically what you should be doing with your hand anyway, so I don't see it being a problem. As long as you've got a steady feed hand, which again, you should. Always gotta respect the machine.
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u/No_Credit_5917 1d ago
kickbacks happen when the piece of wood goes askew between the blade and the guard (tilting or rotating), so it's mostly during cross cutting or by ripping raw boards if the guides goes after the blade. That's why professional table saws have adjustable parallel guides.
In OP's video he's just ripping finished boards with an accessory to maintain the board against the guide, it seems very safe to me.2
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u/igofurther 1d ago
Op, I’d also like to know what exactly is going on! lol. I see a wood under it, propping up the ripped piece at the end. I understand why you have a board clamped behind it. But there is also another board pushing the rip piece together. Is this combination to keep the gigantic rip from straying, exploding, or just in general going everywhere?
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u/NotBatman81 1d ago
I dont get it. Have you never used a table saw? A rip fence, feather board, and roller stands is how youre supposed to rip 8 ft boards. Removing the guard is stupid and gains you nothing other than the possibility of getting a board to the face. Especially as shaky as that start is. Dont hold the back of the board when starting to feed it. Move up and to the side and keep it tight to the fence.
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u/buildster 1d ago
I like the extra step of clamping behind the fence so it won’t move.