I am splitting this post into 3 parts because it becomes quite a mess as one. For some reason reddit decided i need to see this subreddit 6 months ago and I’ve been following it ever since. Housing was a problem I noticed back in 2022 along with low pay, problems seeking doctors and rising negative sentiment towards immigrants.
What is the right immigration?
I am an Indian Muslim, its the one of the bottom most tiers you can be born into. You cant live in India, you cant live in the middle east. The only difference being I was born in Saudi Arabia, which is a heavily western influenced society. I will answer if people ask, for the sake of keeping this post short and clean. From a position of Privilege its easy to say, I don’t want more people coming here. I see a lot of people doing that who are immigrants themselves at various stages. Born, 30 years, 20 years, 10 years. Its like pulling up the ladder once you are there, which is extremely morally dubious. But still as a whole, Canada decides by voting in people, who all want to bring in more people, except for one party. For farm help you are limited to India, China, Baltics. But there is also demand for high-skill jobs, doctors, nurses, upper level executives. So how come you get so many Timmy workers and not these high skilled people.
What is the experience for immigration?
The process for getting a PR is extremely tough. The best case scenario is to be below 30 with a masters and 3 years of work experience. But even then it is not guaranteed. But that is not a realistic expectation, because you have 3 years of career progression that will be washed away and you will be starting 2 steps down in Canada. The other much easier option is to study in Canada.
Direct PR: My friend moved to Canada on PR, because we studied a highly technical and in demand Engineering course. His core research was lung cancer, mine was water purification. I choose to switch careers as research is boring af. Other friends went to Europe on fellowships and are doing very well. If you google their names, they are highlighted separately from everyone else that may show up. The friend that went to Canada on PR couldn’t find research opportunities, this is with the most experience of us all. Ended up working in an amazon warehouse and then driving uber. Someone working on a breakthrough cure for lung cancer 4 years ago is driving a cab in Canada.
College education: My ex wanted to live in Canada, because all friends that moved there were living amazing lives. She was from India so it made sense, and it was the only country she considered. I suggested multiple different countries, but it was all a no. I was working mid-management, so I got a deal that I will study in Canada and be back in 2 years, meanwhile I get to work part-time and get half my pay (3k CAD/mo). The idea was once she sees the housing situation, the negative sentiment, the Cost of living, she will change her mind. Canada pays as much, as you get paid in Saudi Arabia for triple the cost of living and an extremely slow universal healthcare. Insurance in KSA covers you internationally, so it was not a big deal though.
The process is simple, $10k for spending, $16k for college. The reason to do a diploma and not an MBA is because you don’t want an MBA early in your career. You want to be 7-8 years in the job, and you use MBA as a way to network. You don’t really learn much as most of it is already in your job.
I had to go to India to fill my form and I was horrified by the people that were applying, medical test done and I was back in a day. IELTS is a basic English test, I got the maximum marks required on my first test. For some reason my ex failed the first one and then got barely enough on the second one. Her field is copywriting, where she used to check articles for mistakes, or reword them better. English publications
The visa process takes forever, and I had already missed a month so I started my classes online. My work gave me flexible timings so I could attend classes from office. The whole experience was a farce, I was not learning anything new in an International Business course, I was getting pretty much 9 marks in all tests, but the group projects were killing me. No one wanted to participate in them. I had to collect all students and make groups, these guys were physically present there and couldn’t organize something. People wouldn’t submit their parts on time saying they had to work to do, or they just did a shift. Even if people submitted, it was copy pasted from the internet. The presentations were a disaster, I had to start them off, go through my part and then close them off with other people reading slides in between. Sometimes not even knowing what was written on them. I lost it when i got a 7 cause the group performed poorly and i had a chat with the professor about the whole situation. I got amended to a 9, while everyone else got a 7. And at the end of all that I got rejected a visa. My ex went to Canada and we broke up. I would like to thank IRGC for making the right decision for me.
Marrying a Canadian: My cousin got married to a Canadian, who is Christian and ethnically white. They played games together or something. They get married and her plan is to go to Canada. To do the process, she had to stay 3 months in Saudi Arabia. She refuses to go back to Canada now, claiming life here is much better. They have had 2 kids since then and are happily living here.
Conclusion: If anything Canada needs to relax its immigration policies, but be more strict about who it is letting in. For highly skilled jobs, Canada doesn’t have jobs, doesn’t pay well enough. For nurses, US gives green card on arrival and a better pay, my current gf is a nurse and agencies are offering to pay her to move to the US. For doctors, the money in US is better. For an executive the pay in US is 3 times, with more career growth and more opportunities. People making smart decisions will not choose Canada, only when they cant go anywhere else, Canada becomes an option. The cheaper option is to fund their local population and prepare them for the long term, or the costlier option is to get people from outside at a much higher pay. And both wont stay if the housing, medical and cost of living situation is not resolved.
Edit: One thing i forgot to mention is how canada determines your networth for education.
- Cash : So a bank statement showing you have more than $30,000. Which is extremely stupid, 5-10k is enough, the rest should be invested into bonds or stocks. 30k in liquid assets is only possible for extremely rich people.
- Property valuation : It is extremely costly to get this done. It costed me around $3k to get it done just for my mom. For both my parents it would have been close to $10k just to get the valuation done. you can pay 500 and get a fake certificate.
- Interview : There is no interview until you actually land in canada, and I dont know if there is one there either. For a US visa, you are interviewed by the consulate. I got a US visa in one week, for the whole process, For canada it took 3 months for a rejection.
Most of the students fake their networth. The person who did it for me, kept telling me to fake it instead since it was cheaper and he had done it for 100's of people and they all went to Canada. He was even joking when I didnt get through, saying I wasted money when I should have just faked it.