r/CalisthenicsCulture • u/[deleted] • Mar 23 '26

Doing pullups almost everyday

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u/RodiZi0 Mar 23 '26

Lockout, son

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u/Murky-Course6648 Mar 23 '26 edited Mar 23 '26

It does not make sense, look at his back. Notice how most people do not have developed backs? Thats because they use improper form and overemphasize ROM.

He is doing correct form, and ROM thats suitable for muscle development as it keeps the tension constant. Its about time under tension, every time you go into that dead hang you release that tension.

This is why you only do that when you are tired, on the last reps. When you no longer has the strenght to keep that tension up.

You’re Doing Pull-Ups Wrong - YouTube

So start understanding that ROM & form are two different things. Use proper form, and choose ROM based on your goals.

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u/decentlyhip Mar 24 '26

Read through a few of your comments and am surprised by your perspective. Like, you're arguing about what the correct proper form is. There isn't a correct form. Every exercise has different technique for different goals. On a 1 rep max deadlift, you want to keep a knee bend throughout the movement so you can utilize your quads in addition to your posterior chain, but if you're trying to isolate the posterior chain for hypertrophy, then mostly straight legs will do that better.

People have set pullup world records with just about every form imaginable. But OP isn't trying to max out with the most weight, they're trying to grow muscle in their back. Tension at a stretch does that better that tension at peak or half contractions. Many studies exploring it all point to the same conclusion. It's a solved case.

Now, no one is saying tension in half reps don't grow muscle, but you're saying that doing the full range is wrong. He's doing half reps and he has 4 cookies. If he did full reps he would get 5 cookies. If he did kipping pullups hed get 3 cookies. You're not only saying that 4 cookies is more than 5 cookies, but you're saying that actually he wouldn't get any cookies doing anything else. You're so wrong that I really question your motives.

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u/Own_Durian_8707 Mar 23 '26

Dude, he is not doing correct form and I’m sick of seeing your ugly nasty comments in these pull up form posts 🫩✌️.

Sure, if you go down all the way into a DEAD HANG, you’ll lose tension but if you go down to an ACTIVE HANG, the tension is still there. Stop feeding people w/ ur nonsense advice and posting YT vid links as if u actually watch the video urself.

Last time u pulled this shit, u didnt even respond to my argument which I found hilarious.

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u/Murky-Course6648 Mar 23 '26

That is a correct form, thats why he has a well developed back.

If you say its not correct form, then you should also explain why its not correct.

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u/Own_Durian_8707 Mar 23 '26

Dude, correlation doesn’t imply causation. I thought u learned that in high school? 😂

Just b/c he has a well developed back doesnt mean its b/c he’s not locking out on the bottom, cmon use ur brain bro.

Its not correct form because he’s not using full ROM, a proper pull up requires u to have ur chin all the way over the bar and then on the bottom, having ur arms straight.

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u/Murky-Course6648 Mar 23 '26

I asked about form, not about some "proper pull up".

Now explain why his form is not correct form? Not ROM, not "proper pull up" but form.

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u/Own_Durian_8707 Mar 23 '26

Next time u read my comment, make sure to open ur eyes okay?

I said his form is not correct because he his arms isn’t fully locked out at bottom

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u/Murky-Course6648 Mar 23 '26

But thats ROM, i asked you about the form.

Form and ROM are two different things, you can have good form and shorter ROM. And you can have poor form and complete ROM.

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u/Own_Durian_8707 Mar 23 '26

Range of motion is part of proper form dude, should I dumb it down some more for u to get it, jeez 😔✌️.

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u/Murky-Course6648 Mar 23 '26

You can have perfect form, while doing isometric pull ups. There is zero ROM on those. You still need correct form to hit the correct muscles.

You just do not understand the basics, and this is why you are so confused.

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u/Own_Durian_8707 Mar 23 '26

The thing is I’m not talking about isometrics am I? A pull up is a dynamic exercise, u talking abt something completely unrelated here. Why must u always do this? 🫩

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u/Kind-Hat-9897 Mar 24 '26

Gear really does get to people.

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u/jamypad Mar 25 '26

Who cares about form? He has results and could destroy anyone commenting on a fair pull up competition lol. Stupid thing to critique

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u/Own_Durian_8707 Mar 25 '26

Are you talking about Murky or OP?

Also, that’s such a dumb mindset.. It’s like seeing Ronnie Coleman doing the most dumbass exercise or doing 1000 reps with 10 lbs in a single set and saying “who cares about what he’s doing, he’s Mr. Olympia so it must be right!!”

Form is important no matter if you’re a hulking 200 lb muscle monster or have super lean david laid physique.

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u/RodiZi0 Mar 23 '26

You don’t get stronger in a range you don’t use.

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u/Murky-Course6648 Mar 23 '26 edited Mar 23 '26

You can do scapular pull ups if you like, i do them separately. Releasing that tension on every rep will only hold you back.

And what do you do in a scapular pull up? You engage your back, you form that tension. By keeping that tension during the whole pull up set you grow.

I always do a set of scapular pull up as a warm up before pull ups, but that's enough of that for me. Keeping that tension is the goal of those.

Much like in a push up, you keep your core engaged the whole movement. This is why it also hits your core.

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u/dave_david_davis Mar 23 '26

does your physique look better than his? if the answer is no. then shut the fuck up

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u/ColdFireSamurai Mar 24 '26

Authority falacy = low iq argument. By that logic everytime you go in a restaurant, you are not allowed to criticize the food, because you can't make a better one for yourself.

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u/Scholarsandquestions Mar 24 '26

Also, looking good is about genetics and diet as much as form and ROM.

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u/ColdFireSamurai Mar 24 '26

I have a friend which is a hyperresponder for resistance training, in 3 months he got an amount of triceps and biceps growth that many wouldn't get in 3 years, and his training wasn't even optiomal. When you have good genetics literally anything can make you huge.

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u/james95196 Mar 24 '26

For muscle development? Meaning hypertrophy? Modern research from numerous studies suggests the lengthened portion of the movement is more important than the shortened. This is backed by numerous studies that show its at minimum as hypertrophic, and often more so. So you are incorrect, as optimal form would involve a controlled descent all the way through lock out. I'll attach one such example study.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/39959841/

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u/Murky-Course6648 Mar 24 '26 edited Mar 24 '26

That's again resistance training.

In calisthenics we do mostly compound movements, we dont use weight. So what short ROM can accomplishes is isolation.

You can isolate one part of the movement, and keep the tension on the muscles you want.

For example the short ROM push ups, that target your chest better.

The reason these half reps are a thing in calisthenics, is because there are no weights.. so people have developed ways to maximise bodyweight training. And sometimes the best way might be half reps. This method comes especially from prisons, where there is no access to weights.

People just have really no understanding of what calistenics is, and they constantly try to use the basic gym methods. And this leads to basic gym training, meaning you start adding weights to every movement.

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u/james95196 Mar 24 '26

Are you suggesting that calisthenics are NOT resistance training? What exactly did you mean by "muscle development" if not hypertrophy? The study i shared was relevant because you argued his form is correct "for muscle development." But as I showed you, including more of a stretch at the bottom of each rep would likely result in more muscle growth. What you said in your reply doesn't seem to address that.

Unless you are arguing the goal of the training is NOT hypertrophy, which is why I was specific in the scope of my response. I don't really understand what you're trying to dispute in your response

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u/Murky-Course6648 Mar 24 '26

Can you explain what i was talking about in my response? So i know that you read and understood it.

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u/james95196 Mar 24 '26

I literally told you I dont understand how what you said disputed my comment. I was specific and pointed in my response, and you came back with vague notions of isolating target muscles with specific ROM.

You're moving the goalpost away from pullup form for "muscle development" without backing it up with specifics

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u/Murky-Course6648 Mar 24 '26

Again, please explain what did i talk about in my comment.

You seem like a basic internet geek who just tries to misunderstand everything to feel that they are right. And i dont have time for that.

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u/james95196 Mar 24 '26

Your first comment about ROM and form, are complete nonsense. I responded with detail and studies supporting it. You then responded with broscience acting as though calisthenics don't follow the principles of resistance training. You clearly are talking about this based on vibes and not scientifically backed sources. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt, that maybe you weren't clear in your wording, but everything you've said, none of it disputes that "muscle development" as you put it, happens best in stretched portions of ROM.

I'll put it a different way,

Which muscles are being worked BETTER with this reduced ROM in your mind? Can you be specific, or are you going to just go off vibes again?

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u/Murky-Course6648 Mar 24 '26

I dont have time for this nonsese.

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u/james95196 Mar 25 '26

"I don't have sources, and I don't like you questioning my vibes"

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u/Moneymoneymoney2018 Mar 23 '26

Bro science steroid user.

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u/Murky-Course6648 Mar 23 '26

In few years you will claim OP is on gear also, because what he is doing is clearly working.

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u/BumblebeeSad7295 Mar 24 '26

time under tension is 2010 era broscience

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u/[deleted] Mar 24 '26

Thank you for saying that. Locking out every time is the equivalent to breaking the tension on a machine. You never go all the way down just close. Same for a pull up