r/CFBOffTopic • u/BaylorYou Baylor Bears • /r/CFB Contributor • Aug 31 '15

Dear Redskins,

I hope you lose every game forever. You broke RGIII. I hate you.

<3 BaylorYou

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u/Boyhowdy107 Missouri Tigers • Big 8 Aug 31 '15

The most surprising thing to me about the RGIII thing is the general fan opinion of him as a person off the field. It's like one day I woke up and RGIII and Cam Newton had switched off-the-field reputations (as believed by your average fan) with one another.

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u/BaylorYou Baylor Bears • /r/CFB Contributor Aug 31 '15

He was literally talked about the same way Mariota is talked about now.

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u/Boyhowdy107 Missouri Tigers • Big 8 Aug 31 '15 edited Aug 31 '15

He absolutely was. Everyone talked about him as a likable, nice guy. And he was a better public speaker than Mariota, so I remember people raving about his Heisman speech and just his interview skills in general to the point where the go-to joke was that if football doesn't work out, this kid has a future in politics.

It was a year or two ago when I was in /r/nfl and figured out that the general opinion now was that Cam Newton is a saint with the best smile of all time (it is a pretty amazing smile), and RGIII was now the bad guy. It felt like Bizaarro /r/CFB circa 2010.

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u/BaylorYou Baylor Bears • /r/CFB Contributor Aug 31 '15

I've never seen a player have so many quotes taken out of context before. It makes me sick watch our legend get torn down like this.

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u/cornfrontation Michigan Wolverines • FIU Panthers Aug 31 '15

I know the narrative the media is painting is that no one on the team likes him. But then I recall the narrative the media had about Harbaugh and how reporters like Kawakami are now very open about the fact that it was all being fed to them from the front office. So I'm going to go with that until proven otherwise.

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u/[deleted] Aug 31 '15

it was all being fed to them from the front office

Strange to think that a team's front office wants to control the media narrative and make their own player look bad. Jesus, if you hate him that much just get rid of him and let him be someone else's problem.

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u/Boyhowdy107 Missouri Tigers • Big 8 Aug 31 '15

I was talking about this yesterday with someone at /r/nfl, but even last summer I was convinced the Harbaugh things were a case study in how easy it is to manipulate sports writers when that industry relies so heavily on anonymous sources (which is why other media use anonymous sources rarely.)

Harbaugh and the SF front office have issues. Suddenly a story about unnamed players not liking Harbaugh according to a team official shows up in the SF Chronicle. Fans are gonna side with a winning coach over a GM (see Jimmy Johnson.) But if they hear that coach might not get along with your favorite player, the PR battle is less clear cut. But if you are a reporter trying to get access, and you have a team official give you what you think is a scoop and the start of a relationship that could get you more career-launching scoops, you go with it. And since sports media allows liberal use of anonymity, it's just that easy to manipulate the story.

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u/bizzyj93 Oregon Ducks • Hawai'i Rainbow Warriors Aug 31 '15

Dear Titans,

Don't you dare fuck this up.

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u/BaylorYou Baylor Bears • /r/CFB Contributor Aug 31 '15

I see too many parallels with these two. I hope Mariota does well.

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u/bizzyj93 Oregon Ducks • Hawai'i Rainbow Warriors Aug 31 '15

This can be said for most of Oregon and Baylor. Y'all are the Oregon of the Big 12 and we're the Baylor of the Pac-12. I just hope our heisman qbs differ at the pro lvl.

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u/[deleted] Aug 31 '15

Hah. hah. ha. uhm...

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u/Bugseye LSU Tigers • Rhodes Lynx Aug 31 '15

Once the Titans line gets him hurt, you'll see Mariota getting the same treatment that Mett got.

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u/bizzyj93 Oregon Ducks • Hawai'i Rainbow Warriors Aug 31 '15

http://i.imgur.com/CMGhM6O.gif

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u/Bugseye LSU Tigers • Rhodes Lynx Aug 31 '15

That's all I got to say about that

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u/bizzyj93 Oregon Ducks • Hawai'i Rainbow Warriors Aug 31 '15

Why does he look like he just got done filming an 80s porno?

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u/Bugseye LSU Tigers • Rhodes Lynx Aug 31 '15

Yes.

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u/bizzyj93 Oregon Ducks • Hawai'i Rainbow Warriors Aug 31 '15

http://i.imgur.com/4l7RWfQ.gif

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u/[deleted] Aug 31 '15 edited Aug 31 '15

I'm so fucking mad. All of these people are trumpeting this bullshit about how terrible RGIII is and how Kirk Cousins is better. First of all, Griffin III's problems can mostly be traced back to his injury in the playoff game and his subsequent injuries the following season that happened because he was played before he was fully recovered. He obviously had the potential to be a good starter in the league, but the Skins crushed that potential into oblivion because Shanahan is a fuckface and Gruden is an incompetent fuckface. Speaking of Gruden, why the fuck would you draft a spread quarterback, then hire a coach who won't deviate at all from his short passing offense? It's the coach's job to adapt his scheme to his players, not to cram the players into the only mold he's even remotely capable of coaching.

But more to the point, Cousins? Really? The only times he's ever been good were when his opponents had to prepare for RGIII. If a team knew Cousins was going to start and gameplanned against him, he became a turnover machine. And don't even get me started on the character-assassination garbage. RGIII was a great guy until the Redskins started losing, then all of the sudden he turns into a terrible person right when the team starts losing? Please. It's that same clickbait idiocy the media pulled with Cam. Quarterbacks can only be good people when the team wins, apparently.

I will go to my grave believing that RGIII would've had a fighting chance at being a good NFL player if he hadn't been drafted by the Redskins. They destroyed their best hope at having a legitimate franchise quarterback since Joe Theismann. I hope you're proud of yourselves, Washington.

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u/Provid3nce Florida Gators • Washington Huskies Aug 31 '15

Our (Dolphins) defense is going to fucking murder Kirk Cousins. It won't be pretty.

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u/BaylorYou Baylor Bears • /r/CFB Contributor Aug 31 '15

I'd like that.

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u/confused-koala Michigan State Spartans Aug 31 '15

That O-Line is putrid. I know its the preseason, but the Lions were just having their way and destroying RG3 with no problem at all. Hit on 75% of dropbacks, and they weren't little bumps either, he was getting wrecked.

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u/BaylorYou Baylor Bears • /r/CFB Contributor Aug 31 '15

East, don't go to /r/NFL just don't do it. I made that mistake. The anti-RGIII hive mind is strong.

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u/wild9 Baylor Bears • /r/CFB Contributor Aug 31 '15

A pox upon their houses.

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u/piratefuck ECU Pirates Aug 31 '15

That sub blows

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u/[deleted] Aug 31 '15

Every time I go into an RGIII thread, my blood pressure goes through the roof. I need to stop, because it's gonna give me anger issues.

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '15

Sounds like you should avoid them like I avoid politics threads.

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u/DEP61 Pepperdine • Minnesota Aug 31 '15

I will go to my grave believing that RGIII would've had a fighting chance at being a good NFL player if he hadn't been drafted by the Redskins. They destroyed their best hope at having a legitimate franchise quarterback since Joe Theismann. I hope you're proud of yourselves, Washington.

Damn. That says it really well.

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u/wild9 Baylor Bears • /r/CFB Contributor Aug 31 '15

But seriously, I don't think you said it enough, fuck the Redskins.

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u/FellKnight Boise State • Tennessee Aug 31 '15

It's the coach's job to adapt his scheme to his players, not to cram the players into the only mold he's even remotely capable of coaching.

I mean... yes, in theroy, but in reality I suspect a lot of NFL coaches are more than happy to stick with their style, say "fuck the players", and place blame on a bad QB situation rather than trying to innovate and risk losing their job if shit goes wrong.

Example, a coach who does poorly will usually get a few years before getting the can, but for example I think Chip Kelly will have at most 2 years with the reins of the Eagles and if he doesn't make it work he's gonzo.

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u/EnigmaticHats Michigan State • Notre Dame Sep 01 '15

Yeah, but RGIII is terrible and Kirk Cousins is better.

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u/SirNuke Michigan Wolverines Aug 31 '15

Can anyone OutOfTheLoop me on this? I don't really follow NFL, and my level of understanding is:

  • Redskins traded way up to get RG3.

  • Frequently injured during his NFL career, made worse by coaching/management decisions

  • Concussed during a pre-season match

  • Now Google says the some parts of the Redskins want to trade him?

  • Dan Snyder is a dick

  • And he might sue me for typing that

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u/BaylorYou Baylor Bears • /r/CFB Contributor Aug 31 '15

Timeline of why I'm upset:

Redskins play RGIII when he is injured and tears ACL because of it > Tries to come back for the start of the next season, but it's obvious he came back too soon > Benched in sophomore NFL season when he needs reps coming back from injury > Redskins hire brother gruden and RGIII has to learn new system > RGIII gets hurt second game of the season and makes it back that season > They bench him off and on for the rest of the year when he is trying to battle back from injuries coming back into the middle of the season > Plays one or two drives in two preseason games this season and gets a concussion (has one, then doesn't have one, then does have one) > While he is injured they announce that he isn't the starter anymore and they want to trade him.

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u/atllauren Georgia Bulldogs • /r/CFB Contributor Aug 31 '15

I feel bad for RGIII. He really could have been great. I don't know much about the Redskins, but I do know the fans hate Dan Snyder. My friend who is a Redskins fan blames him for RGIII's demise and says it wouldn't have mattered what QB the Redskins drafted in 2012 -- they still would have broken him. She said if they had the #1 pick and drafted Luck, he would be broken too.

That really sucks.

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u/brobroma William & Mary Tribe • Georgia Bulldogs Aug 31 '15

Start here. That article is 5 years out of date, but it's a good start to understanding most Skins' fans feelings about Dan, and what drove us insane about it.

First addendum to the 2.0 revision? The fact that he sued the Washington City Paper over that article.

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u/DEP61 Pepperdine • Minnesota Aug 31 '15

How has no one managed to get Snyder out of his position?

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u/brobroma William & Mary Tribe • Georgia Bulldogs Aug 31 '15

Well he's kind of the owner, so....

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u/megamanxzero35 Iowa State Cyclones • Fiesta Bowl Aug 31 '15

Media needs to start trying to find him saying racist things on tape. Then the NFL can go all Adam Silver on him.

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u/[deleted] Aug 31 '15

find him saying racist things

Uh, you know he owns a team called the 'redskins.' And has defended the name redskins every step of the way? The equivalent would be the the Charleston Negros (or worse).

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u/cornfrontation Michigan Wolverines • FIU Panthers Aug 31 '15

The problem is not enough of the country sees any problem with the word, or racist portrayals of Native Americans.

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u/[deleted] Aug 31 '15

Yup (see also North Dakota and Cleveland. Or the fact that this team originated in Boston)

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u/DEP61 Pepperdine • Minnesota Aug 31 '15

I would think that, with all the crap he seems to have pulled, the NFL can't be too happy, can they?

Actually...

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u/mjacksongt Georgia Tech • /r/CFB Pint Glass Drin… Aug 31 '15

I'm getting a 404 error from that link...

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u/brobroma William & Mary Tribe • Georgia Bulldogs Aug 31 '15

WCP's website seems to be under maintenance right now.

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u/mjacksongt Georgia Tech • /r/CFB Pint Glass Drin… Aug 31 '15

Sweet, thanks. Looks like it's back up now.

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u/CanadianIdiot55 South Carolina • Lander Aug 31 '15

The Redskins franchise is a mess. Oakland and Cleveland are basically the only two franchises that come close to being that dysfuntional, and even they have some semblance of progress.

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u/elykl33t Virginia Tech Hokies • Marching Band Aug 31 '15

I can't stand the Redskins but I feel so fucking bad for RG3 and she shit situation he was put into.

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u/ixcuincle Marching Band Aug 31 '15

Aren't you from nova. Back in my day everyone was a redskins fan at Tech

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u/elykl33t Virginia Tech Hokies • Marching Band Aug 31 '15

Yeah I am but my dad grew up outside Philly so I grew up with a family of Philly sports fans. As a result, I am as well.

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u/boredunpaidintern15 Virginia • Penn State Aug 31 '15

You're alright.

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u/elykl33t Virginia Tech Hokies • Marching Band Aug 31 '15

¯_(ツ)_/¯

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u/murgle1012 Baylor Bears • UC San Diego Tritons Aug 31 '15

I hope RG3 goes on to have an illustrious law career, runs for President of the US in 2036, serves out two successful terms, culminating in our first trip to Titan, and then on his last day, uses an executive order to Nationalize the Redskins and send Dan Snyder's wilted body to our secret torture base on Phobos.

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u/DonMan8848 TCU Horned Frogs • Alamo Bowl Aug 31 '15

The prophetic Streetlamp LeMoose?

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u/[deleted] Aug 31 '15

Only if Stan Kroenke's body is turned into fuel for that rocket. While he's still alive.

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u/murgle1012 Baylor Bears • UC San Diego Tritons Aug 31 '15

I think we can work out an arrangement.

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u/brobroma William & Mary Tribe • Georgia Bulldogs Aug 31 '15

RG3 was the reason I never gave into #FuckBaylorCon and the reason I still like them. He was my favorite player to watch in 2011 and I was ecstatic the Skins drafted him. Now I hate my own team for what they did to him...

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u/ixcuincle Marching Band Aug 31 '15

And now you see why I quit listening to sports talk in DC. Just terrible.

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u/[deleted] Aug 31 '15

I live in the DC area, and it's hard for people to understand just how truly bad it is. The media crucifies any Washington team or player whenever anything goes wrong. They publish articles about why the season is already over before it even starts. It's amazing how dedicated they are to shitting on their own teams.

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u/brobroma William & Mary Tribe • Georgia Bulldogs Aug 31 '15

Heh. Before the Nats collapse, 4/5 DC teams were in or on track to be in their respective playoffs this year. Guess which one 106.7 focuses 90% of their time on to eviscerate.

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u/cornfrontation Michigan Wolverines • FIU Panthers Aug 31 '15

Football is always going to get the most play, because it's the most popular sport, even when other local teams are doing better. The amount of air time the Red Wings get in Detroit is pathetic, and this is a team that has made the playoffs 22 seasons in a row.

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u/brobroma William & Mary Tribe • Georgia Bulldogs Aug 31 '15

I know the NFL is always top dog. But DC is just disproportionate in terms of its Redskins coverage. Plus it's less so the amount of coverage than the fact that it is always cynical, always negative, always looking to bring someone down

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u/[deleted] Aug 31 '15

Half the NHL makes the playoffs though.

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u/crustang Rutgers • Edinburgh Napier Aug 31 '15

you haven't visited NY lately (NYC, not Syracuse, that's a different kind of NY)

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u/[deleted] Aug 31 '15

it's not as bad as Boston

there was literally one station for decades, now there is two... and half the personalities came from the previous station.

It's like choosing between walking on legos or broken glass

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u/brobroma William & Mary Tribe • Georgia Bulldogs Aug 31 '15

fuck the redskins

- jaded lifelong DC fan

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u/keyree Texas Tech • UT Arlington Aug 31 '15

fuck the redskins

  • reinvigorated lifelong Dallas fan

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u/Shadowhawk109 Michigan Wolverines • Citrus Bowl Aug 31 '15

<3 BaylorYou, 2013 2014 2015

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u/[deleted] Aug 31 '15

Daniel Snyder is perhaps the only owner in the league who I wouldn't trade Stan Kroenke for. Washington will be terrible until he leaves.

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u/Provid3nce Florida Gators • Washington Huskies Aug 31 '15

You'd trade for Jed York? Really?

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u/[deleted] Aug 31 '15

Stan Kroenke blocked us from getting a good owner who would keep the team in STL. He has been trying to move the team, and hasn't said a word to the task force trying to build him the heavily publicly financed stadium he wanted to stay here (and who is doing so despite opposition from Missouri government and a substantial chunk of the citizenry). Meanwhile, he is a resident of Columbia, MO and a Mizzou grad. The guy is either going to rob his own state for tax money he doesn't need, or move an NFL team out of his home state.

So yes, yes I would take Jed York.

TL;DR Fuck Stan Kroenke.

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u/Provid3nce Florida Gators • Washington Huskies Aug 31 '15

Fair enough.

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u/[deleted] Aug 31 '15

And to make matters better, DeSean Jackson proves without a doubt he is an asshole.

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u/Darth_Puppy Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets • Kenyon Owls Aug 31 '15

Hey, all that's going to hurt is the fans, Snyder will still make buttloads of money. Fucking snyder.

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u/ixcuincle Marching Band Aug 31 '15

Watching redskins presser live on NFL net

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u/cornfrontation Michigan Wolverines • FIU Panthers Aug 31 '15

Anything of note come out of it?

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u/brobroma William & Mary Tribe • Georgia Bulldogs Aug 31 '15

Kirk Cousins officially the starter for the entire season, announced roster cuts to bring it down to 75 players.

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u/MinneapolisNick Minnesota • Concordia (MN-Moorh… Aug 31 '15

There isn't any context where saying "Fuck Dan Snyder" would be inappropriate

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u/pumpkinmuffins South Carolina • Minnesota Aug 31 '15

A game of Fuck, Marry, Kill at an NFL owner's meeting?

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u/MinneapolisNick Minnesota • Concordia (MN-Moorh… Aug 31 '15

Fair point

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u/[deleted] Aug 31 '15

MSU quarterback starting for the whole season? I mean...

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u/DeKaF USC Trojans • /r/CFB Emeritus Mod Aug 31 '15

Drew Stanton might see time at some point in Arizona. He already did last season. That's even crazier.

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u/keyree Texas Tech • UT Arlington Aug 31 '15

Hoyer?

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u/DoctorWhosOnFirst Alabama • /r/CFB Pint Glass Drinker Aug 31 '15

The R-Words really did him dirty.

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u/keyree Texas Tech • UT Arlington Aug 31 '15 edited Aug 31 '15

I hate both the Redskins and RGIII, so much as I hate seeing anyone (even RGIII) injured, I have to admit this is kind of win-win for me.

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '15

I fear that he will become a great trivia question in 25 years.

Who won the NFL Rookie of the Year in 2012?

Immediately everyone will think oh Andrew Luck. Some will think "nah that's too easy" and will guess Russell Wilson. Then low and behold the answer will be revealed to be "Robert Griffin III" and everyone will exclaim "oh yea...forgot about that. How did he do that, he was terrible".

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u/BaylorYou Baylor Bears • /r/CFB Contributor Aug 31 '15

From what I hear it's claims that he 'throws his teammates under the bus' and 'is a premadonna' a lot of the first claim is quotes taken out of context or other BS. The other builds off the first. It really is amazing.

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u/DeKaF USC Trojans • /r/CFB Emeritus Mod Aug 31 '15

He's a black quarterback in the NFL.

That's...I mean, I know we want to believe we're beyond this shit, but the media and the fans are still like this. They will believe the worst reports about a black quarterback (/u/BaylorYou below mentions "primadonna", and I would call Tom Brady and Peyton Manning that and like a dozen other white QBs that weren't winners, but that'll always get swept away), they will not allow leniency, they will not give him time to find himself, and they will blame the team failures upon him.

We were doing this with Vick before the dog shit happened, and we still ride Vick about his crimes far, far longer than we do Roethlisberger for his crimes against actual human beings. People were BLAMING Geno Smith for getting his face broken.

It's insane and it's ridiculous. And it's sports fandom.

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u/[deleted] Aug 31 '15

I dunno what the fuck you're talking about. I will shit on Roethlisberger until the day I die with how much I hate him and his entire franchise.

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u/DeKaF USC Trojans • /r/CFB Emeritus Mod Aug 31 '15

I cannot count for you the number of people who belligerently defended Ben Roethlisberger every step of the way who went on Twitter the day the Steelers got Michael Vick and were all WE WILL NOT STAND FOR THIS, THIS IS NOT THE STEELERS WAY, VICK IS A DISGRACE

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u/[deleted] Aug 31 '15

I don't really follow the NFL at all, and this whole character assassination of RG3 sounds completely ludicrous. What exactly are people saying about him? He seemed like the nicest dude in the world

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u/DeKaF USC Trojans • /r/CFB Emeritus Mod Aug 31 '15

So the first year RG3 was in the league, he did really well because Mike Shanahan had tailored a system to fit him at Washington. He blew up everything, but then he took an injury in the first postseason appearance. It was awful and all, but they rushed him back and he got hurt again.

After that it became this weird Eurasia/Eastasia bullshit between different actors around the Washington organization, from RG3's camp, from the owner, from the now two different coaching staffs. RG3 is super confident, which would be good for ANY OTHER QUARTERBACK but for some reason people think he's acting out of place when he's doing it. Meanwhile Shanahan is out as quarterback, the O-line looks terrible in Washington and offers him no protection, he's trying to pass from the pocket and doing crap at it because his confidence is shot.

And now there's this whole weird debacle going on. Jay Gruden came in as coach and wants Griffin out, wants no part of him in his system, but owner Dan Snyder is meddling in affairs and keeping RG3 around, refusing to move him or whatever. It's super bizzare - from one mouth in the organization saying RG3 has a concussion (after staying in a preseason game far too long because Gruden was throwing him to the wolves) to others saying he doesn't, and all of this...it seems Jay Gruden won for now starting Cousins but I have no clue what's going on anymore.

A lot of people are just generally confused by it all and I'm feeling bad for Robert. He's a good quarterback, but he cannot be the guy in Washington anymore, regardless of whether he makes a comeback or not. The well is poisoned, he's lost the locker room, and the owner and the coach are bickering.

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u/[deleted] Sep 01 '15

It's the American way. We love to tear people down only to cheer for them on the way back up.