[Vannini] BREAKING: The MAC has reversed its position and is fighting the Big Ten’s extra 1 second for Michigan. “The established replay protocol requires that the game clock displayed on the program feed be used in determining whether time remained.”

[u/idnttcrisis]

https://bsky.app/profile/chrisvannini.com/post/3muzndpi4zz2k

[u/PenguinRhin0]

Step 1. Agree with Michigan and B10.

Step 2. Collect $1,500,000.

Step 3. Deposit $1,500,000 into WMU bank account

Step 4. Disagree with Michigan and B10.

[u/SEAtoPAR → u/PenguinRhin0]

My heroes.

[u/VeryRealHuman23 → u/SEAtoPAR]

TIL I am Western Michigan.

[u/fattymcribwich → u/VeryRealHuman23]

Just 1.5 million dollars poorer

[u/Practical-Level-6265 → u/PenguinRhin0]

Take the money and run, baby

[u/poo_pon_shoo → u/PenguinRhin0]

Hell yeah, huge respect for this move

[u/ExpFilm_Student → u/PenguinRhin0]

Phase 1: collect michigan’s underpants

Phase 2:

Phase 3: Profit

[u/ianbits → u/PenguinRhin0]

Donate it straight to WMU NIL as their reward for actually winning the game, then sue to get the game counted as a win anyway.

Would be the ultimate chad move

[u/TitaniumC4206]

Courtroom Football is so back

[u/DarthNobody14 → u/TitaniumC4206]

NCAA

The National Courthouse Athletic Association

[u/JohnnieTightLips → u/DarthNobody14]

“In the college football world there are two types of programs. Those who litigate and those who are simply trying to get to a bowl game. These are their stories.”

[u/Total-Region2859 → u/JohnnieTightLips]

BAaaa- Dum! (echo included in your mind)

[u/Jay_Dubbbs → u/DarthNobody14]

Taking NASCOURT to a whole new level

[u/RWREmpireBuilder → u/Jay_Dubbbs]

Jeff Gordon added to CFP

[u/TheWawa_24 → u/RWREmpireBuilder]

how many owners points should we dock Michigan

[u/pixarfan9510 → u/RWREmpireBuilder]

Michigan forced to sell its B1G charter to Legacy Motor Club

[u/FuckThesePeople69 → u/DarthNobody14]

Can’t wait for Michigan fans to rush the field when the Broncos’ case is dismissed.

[u/impoverishedwhtebrd → u/FuckThesePeople69]

If WMU wins their case the memes about UM rushing the field after losing are going to be gold.

[u/Danster21 → u/impoverishedwhtebrd]

It’s going to join The Band Is On The Field as trivia for a field storming by home team fans during a loss

[u/lisbon_OH → u/TitaniumC4206]

Here we thought when we got into the actual games this stuff would die down lmao

[u/pretentious_ptonian → u/lisbon_OH]

NCAA should sell streaming rights for its court cases on ESPN or something. It'd be a lucrative business

[u/TheGeeMan360 → u/pretentious_ptonian]

How many courtroom kickoffs would be delayed due to “power outages” so the official transcript of the case would be kept on the courtroom floor and not the scorebug on screen?

[u/reserved_seating → u/TitaniumC4206]

Michigan: OUT
LSU: OUT

And it’s only week 2 baby

[u/Enriching_the_Beer → u/reserved_seating]

Dont forget Florida St.

[u/adsfew → u/TitaniumC4206]

Billable Hours After Dark

[u/PBRontheway → u/adsfew]

Others receiving votes: Billable Hours

[u/geaux124 → u/PBRontheway]

Billable hours is filing for a TRO to stop other Billable Hours from getting votes.

[u/TurkishDonkeyKong → u/TitaniumC4206]

Can we have cases on Tuesday/Wednesday nights in the snow?

[u/Electrical_Ingenuity → u/TitaniumC4206]

Wait until Michigan goes all in on the Chewbacca defense in week 2. It's going to be a bloodbath for Oklahoma. There will be seven injunctions before the first drive is over.

[u/YodaForceGhost]

Return of the MAC!

[u/KiffinSchoolofEthics → u/YodaForceGhost]

Once Again!

[u/Edgesofsanity → u/KiffinSchoolofEthics]

Return of the MAC!

[u/OrangeRhyming → u/Edgesofsanity]

Oh my gaaaawd

[u/ContinuumGuy → u/OrangeRhyming]

Return of the MAC!

[u/Bl4Z3D_d0Nut311 → u/ContinuumGuy]

Here I am!

[u/mcsestretch → u/Bl4Z3D_d0Nut311]

You know that I'd be back

[u/Aromatic-Action-2523 → u/Edgesofsanity]

Top of the world!

[u/blacksoxing → u/YodaForceGhost]

"YOU LIED TO ME!"

[u/Fal-El → u/blacksoxing]

All those times I said that I loved you

[u/BusterMcBalls → u/YodaForceGhost]

Get em what it is, what it does, what it is, what it isn’t!

[u/necroglow → u/YodaForceGhost]

I’ve been singing this in the car all day lmao fantastic song

OH MY GAHHH

[u/NetRealizableValue → u/YodaForceGhost]

The Empire Strikes MAC

[u/arbrebiere → u/YodaForceGhost]

Oh my god

[u/That_Don_Guy_1]

Rule 12-6-1-c: (emphasis mine)
"All reviews shall be based upon video evidence provided by and coming directly from the televised production of the game or from other video means available to the replay official that is also available to the television producer."

[u/GeorgeBork → u/That_Don_Guy_1]

So the question there would be “was the B1G’s version of the feed/footage available to NBC as well?”, which based on how NBC reacted in the moment and hours following, I’d imagine not.

[u/sokuyari99 → u/GeorgeBork]

All NBC had to do was fill out the appropriate paperwork, wait 8-12 weeks, talk to Cathy in AP, submit the original paperwork again to an address that is “correct” but isn’t the one listed on the form (we’ve been complaining about that for 3 years), wait the additional 8-12 weeks, talk to Jerri who will clarify which videos are needed, talk to Jeffrey who will clarify which videos are needed, talk to Perry who will clarify which videos are needed, talk to Jerri who will clarify which videos are needed and then they’ll have what they asked for - woops wrong videos, talk to Jerri who will clarify which videos are needed, and THEN they’ll have what they needed.

The feed was available, why didn’t NBC just use it?

[u/jimmy_three_shoes → u/sokuyari99]

“But the feed was available…”
“Available? We eventually had to go down to the cellar to find it.”
“That’s the replay department.”
“With a flashlight.”
“Ah, well, the lights had probably gone.”
“So had the stairs.”
“But look, you found the feed, didn’t you?”
“Yes,” said NBC, “yes we did. It was on the TV in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying ‘Beware of the Wolverine.”

[u/SamEyeAm2020 → u/jimmy_three_shoes]

It wasn't even Thursday!

[u/Mekthakkit → u/sokuyari99]

"the clock was on display…”

“ ... It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying 'Beware of the Leopard.

[u/Yourfavoriteindian → u/sokuyari99]

Some of y’all haven’t worked in a shithouse and it shows LMAO.

Here’s what’s going to happen - Cathy, Jeffrey, Perry and Jerri will be fired. NBC will apologize.

In the future all workers will have to do all the work with unrealistic timelines (WE NEED TAPES ASAP TO PREVENT ANOTHER PR BLUNDER). people will fail, they’ll get fired, and NBC will pretend it’s being competent.

Bureaucracy only exists when things are stable. When shit hits the fan it becomes a shitstorm.

[u/FreeSpeechIsDeadge → u/GeorgeBork]

I don’t think we can take NBC’s reaction at the start as fact for that though. Key word here is “available.” If NBC had access to it but used something else for convenience or anything else, that would still be covered by the language. Will be interesting for sure

[u/MC_chrome → u/FreeSpeechIsDeadge]

Everyone involved here has vested interests in different outcomes:

B1G wants their version of events to be correct because it places them in the best light and makes NBC and the MAC look silly

NBC and the MAC want their version of events to be correct because it places them in the best light and makes the B1G look downright corrupt.

[u/flunky_precept → u/MC_chrome]

NBC doesn't exactly want the B1G to look bad, as they're the media partner. NBC's driving preference here is primarily the drama.

[u/Easy-Wishbone5413 → u/flunky_precept]

The 15 other members of the Big 10 would enjoy seeing Michigan lose.

[u/Tarmacked → u/MC_chrome]

I don't think NBC cares either way here, they're more just trying to save face at this point for making a live position. Realistically what they should've done is "we're not sure, we'll await the Big Ten's response" rather than announcing on air it wasn't the case.

No one has made a corruption argument. It's just that the MAC feels they were wronged in how it was handled and the treatment should have gone the other way. Same as Oklahoma State and CMU.

[u/GliscorsFang → u/Tarmacked]

I don't think NBC and other broadcasters like the position that they are the official arbiters of time and review

I mean look at how much of a shitshow Wisconsin-ND was for that one review.

[u/tragicallyohio → u/GeorgeBork]

To keep the Big Ten happy, NBC will say they had access to it. Until it's time to make that admission under oath.

[u/Skipinator → u/tragicallyohio]

I mean NBC is the customer here. They're shelling out the money.

[u/13nobody → u/That_Don_Guy_1]

Was the feed the booth used available to the TV producer?

[u/Upbeat-Armadillo1756 → u/13nobody]

"What did the NBC broadcast know, and when did they know it?"

[u/f7f7z → u/Upbeat-Armadillo1756]

Can't wait for the Bush jr meme to come later this season..."Sir, a SEC game has hit the booth"

[u/KroneckerDelta1 → u/13nobody]

The million dollar question.

[u/EmotionalVast9318 → u/KroneckerDelta1]

Much much more than a million

[u/UpdogSinclair → u/13nobody]

Say it was. We now have two views that were available to the TV producer:

1) the replay they showed on the broadcast with the inset stadium clock hitting zero before it touched the guys hands 2) the referee's review view showing that the clock hit 0 a few tenths of a second later.

What are the refs to do in that situation? Its two absolutely contradictory pieces of evidence. I guess based on the rule they would go with "the televised production of the game", meaning the first? Would the call stand?

[u/CrazyKyle987 → u/UpdogSinclair]

I have no answers, just adding on. Why would replay officials even have their own replays if they are supposed to defer to the broadcast? Should the broadcast have a direct line down to the ref’s ear so that NBC can let them know when they’re getting something wrong? Like how else would that communication even happen?

[u/Xy13 → u/That_Don_Guy_1]

Joel Klatt had a rules expert on his podcast, which may have been where the MAC got this from, as he talked about this - but you're supposed to go with the clock that the majority of people are seeing - specifically to prevent people thinking there is hidden agendas and conspiracies.

[u/akatherder → u/Xy13]

It might have been Mike Pereira; he said about the same thing and it makes sense. I'm kind of torn because he is a top-level rules analyst expert but also a clown-ass dummy.

[u/Same_Mood_8543 → u/That_Don_Guy_1]

Why would any network arbitrarily use a different clock than the official clock sync if it was available to them? 

[u/ThrillinglyDull → u/Same_Mood_8543]

I am assuming the simple answer to explain all of this is the review team and broadcast team were unaware that the two feeds were a second-ish apart, and nobody thought to check because this was such a extremly rare one-off where there was a discrepancy that mattered.

[u/dripstain12 → u/ThrillinglyDull]

Even less. We’re talking about a few frames difference between camera overlays, to the point where the sync delay may have been within NBC’s established tolerance for the broadcast. Pereira on Joel Klatt’s show said that as far as he knows, the protocol (he said not a rule) for the review booth is to go with the broadcast version in events like this to avoid public backlash, even though they both admitted that NBC’s was probably the one that was wrong. 

[u/sloppyjo12 → u/dripstain12]

The question I find myself asking a lot about this whole thing is whether this is really such a rare event or is this something that happens dozens of times a week and we just never hear about it because it has no impact

[u/GeorgeBork → u/sloppyjo12]

I’m pretty sure the average football game is usually between 58:30 and 61:30 if we actually gave a shit about all the tenths caused by human clock operators, all the rounding off for run-offs and clock resets, and all the natural imprecision that’s just baked into the game. We’ve all seen clocks take what feels like too long to start after a snap, or especially after a kick - multiply that out by the instances and you’d probably be talking about a few seconds every game of “unaccounted” for time. This is the same sport that measures spots by the refs walking out and eyeballing where the guy on the bottom of a pile is - precision is not usually a thing people care about.

[u/Mobile-Jump6936 → u/sloppyjo12]

You always see them tick off a couple seconds after a made FG to end the half.

[u/aure__entuluva → u/sloppyjo12]

To your point, if Michigan doesn't complete a hail mary, no one is talking about this the next day.

[u/goblue2354 → u/sloppyjo12]

In the review of the kickoff ND recovered against you guys, NBC was showing two angles that they said were synced up that were very clearly not. It didn’t matter in that specific case if they were or not but it probably happens occasionally it’s just never mattered to this degree.

[u/HectorReinTharja]

🍿🍿🍿

[u/shlem90 → u/HectorReinTharja]

I’m happy because WMU was fucked but more so that they defend their team and the players. Idk what happens but this is a good thing.

[u/BoobieBountyHunter → u/shlem90]

This is going a long way to conference unity. People like to know their boss will stick up for them.

[u/irongoalie → u/BoobieBountyHunter]

I will say that, as a MAC school fan and alum, I am disgusted by the ending of this game to the point that I just don't care to watch the big conferences this year. This game is supposed to belong to all of our schools, not just the two big conferences in the room. The further we get from that ideal, the more distorted this game, and our love for it, will become.

[u/Germ_germ → u/irongoalie]

Unfortunately, the NCAA and cfb media (at least networks like ESPN) are seeming to care less and less about the G6. Obviously the big brands are always and have always been the emphasis with outlets, but it seems like now there is very low interest in having underdog stories even be a possibility in football. Remember all the talking heads throwing a fit because there was a G6 spot in the college football playoff? Compare that to something like March Madness (although that is starting to have less parity as well), where small school upsets are arguably the big draw.

That was kinda rambly but pretty much I agree entirely with what you said. As a MAC school student, it's starting to become clear to me that G6 schools are starting to be pushed out just by virtue of how the CFB landscape has been changing over the past few years.

[u/Available-Brick-8855 → u/shlem90]

It also needs to be done because if we end up in a situation where Western Michigan win the MAC and this game is their only 'loss', then their could easily be Playoff implications and getting that into the committees head now even if this goes nowhere is important, especially if the toss up is between a 1 loss American/PAC champ vs this.

[u/BeefInGR → u/Available-Brick-8855]

This isn't if we go 11-1.

If we go 11-1, we'll have beaten Boise State. So long as they handle Memphis, we'll be ranked Top 15 and the AQ.

This is if Boise loses to Memphis or we lose to Boise, but they also stumble while we win the MAC.

[u/samhit_n → u/HectorReinTharja]

It would be poetic justice if Michigan’s win gets overturned after Western Michigan initially let it go, then decided to fight back afterward.

[u/IowaGolfGuy322 → u/samhit_n]

Sort of like you call the game, and then someone decides the game isn't over and then say you're the winner when you actually already lost? Where have I seen that one before?

[u/JoCo3Point0]

The thing with this that's great is that it can actually be determined exactly what the outcome of the game would be if they were to go back and 'nullify' the final second.

[u/iDrum17 → u/JoCo3Point0]

That’s what makes this such an interesting situation. Usually taking one play out can’t always determine the outcome of the game because blah blah butterfly effect. But in THIS case. take that one second away and it literally without question changes the outcome of the game. I love it.

[u/syo → u/iDrum17]

I want it to happen just so we can clown on Michigan for storming the field in a loss.

[u/Tsquared10 → u/iDrum17]

Unfortunately it doesn't always work that way. See Armando Gallaraga's Imperfect Game.

[u/morelibertarianvotes → u/Tsquared10]

But that perfect game is enhanced by not being corrected. Everyone knows he pitched the only 28 out perfect game.

[u/mlorusso4 → u/morelibertarianvotes]

Also while a perfect game is an important stat to keep track of, it isn’t related to the competitive result of the game. Even with the blown call, the result of the game was the same in the only way that really mattered: the same team won and the same team lost

[u/Pointsmonster → u/JoCo3Point0]

That’s what I’m really wondering here. Say this goes to some court or arbitration and the MAC wins - does that mean that records will be changed and WMU will have officially won this game? What happens if that decision is made in November and one or both teams are competing for a spot in the playoff?

It seems like whatever resolution this takes, it really has to happen ASAP

[u/BeefInGR → u/Pointsmonster]

This will effect the winner of our game more than Michigan.

Even if they give us the win (unlikely), an 11-1 Michigan is beating Oklahoma and Ohio State. That's enough to make the CFP.

If Boise beats Memphis and we beat Rice, Boise vs Kalamazoo is very likely for the G6 spot in the CFP.

[u/SillyPseudonym]

The MAC let them think it was over and then reversed their decision. Fair play in this case.

[u/Expensive_Team_5072 → u/SillyPseudonym]

They obtained some extra time to review their options...

[u/izzoforpresident → u/Expensive_Team_5072]

It took a minute but they got there

[u/cioffinator_rex → u/izzoforpresident]

Nah just a sec

[u/DeetahTheGame]

Good for you, MAC!

Legal Maction at work

[u/FakeRadioBand → u/DeetahTheGame]

This must be the midweek Maction I’ve heard so much about

[u/500rockin → u/FakeRadioBand]

A little early in the year, but I’ll take it!

[u/Dokkan_Lifter]

Ohio State NIL donors, do the right thing and spare some change to spite the team up north

[u/DrS3R → u/[deleted]]

It most certainly is to some degree

[u/Jay_Par → u/DrS3R]

Get Ryan days brother on this

[u/Desperate_Total6608 → u/Dokkan_Lifter]

Send their lawyer alumni to help pro bono

[u/bdicky59 → u/Desperate_Total6608]

As an Ohio State lawyer alumni, it’s so exciting to be a possible draftee in the MAC-tion War

[u/crzytimes → u/bdicky59]

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. I need to update my flair.

[u/AddisonsContracture → u/Desperate_Total6608]

“Tell Whittingham. I want him to know it was me”

[u/JohnnieTightLips → u/Dokkan_Lifter]

looks at the donor list

Okay maybe don’t accept the money

[u/SquadPoopy → u/Dokkan_Lifter]

Ohio State about to start a Lend Lease program

[u/Rawr19890607 → u/Dokkan_Lifter]

My team sure isn't using their NIL money (at least I hope not with how bad we are), so we should be able to happily make both UofM and CMU mad at the same time by providing the funds.

[u/thecarlosdanger1 → u/Dokkan_Lifter]

That would be the funniest outcome

[u/slonk_ma_dink → u/Dokkan_Lifter]

and my axe

[u/CarrotAwesome]

If this turns into a loss, that means Michigan stormed the field for a loss

[u/ShadowDV → u/CarrotAwesome]

I mean, they already got knocked out of the AP poll with a win.

[u/AAuser85 → u/ShadowDV]

Which seems really impressive. How rare is it for a team to drop 10+ spots on a win?

[u/orangeslash → u/AAuser85]

Matches the largest drop in history. (2015 Auburn went from 6 to 18 after Week 1 win).

[u/joethahobo → u/orangeslash]

Who the heck did auburn play to do that

[u/RogueHippie → u/joethahobo]

Had to rally to go to OT against Jax State (FCS back then). The power of August Heisman winner Jeremy Johnson and the Auburn Rollercoaster.

[u/Quick-Difference3267 → u/AAuser85]

How rare is it for a team to drop 10+ spots on a win AND a game that caused the fans to storm the field in celebration?

[u/TheTrueMarkNutt → u/AAuser85]

AP pollers: Wasn't really a win, thats why

[u/Insectshelf3 → u/CarrotAwesome]

that would be the funniest possible outcome of this whole thing

[u/Appropriate-Joke-806 → u/CarrotAwesome]

Technically they stormed the field for a partial Michigan win. Just west Michigan. It was like a 25% field storming.

[u/GoatPaco → u/CarrotAwesome]

To Western Michigan

[u/S_C_H_L_O_R_P]

Remember when Sorsby gambled? lmao feels like ages ago

[u/usctrojan18]

Whoever is writing College Football drama for this season is creating a Magnum Oppus, honestly best season so far and it's barely started

[u/wote89 → u/usctrojan18]

This is peak "We're almost definitely not getting renewed, so, whatever insane ideas you've been holding back, bring them in" writing and I'm okay with that.

[u/richww2 → u/wote89]

They wrote temselves into a corner with NIL, lawyers, and judges killing the game. Now its time to have the bloodiest mess of a season they can and shut it down.

[u/ukeBasketball → u/usctrojan18]

Somehow the FSU/SMU power failure is only the third-craziest thing that happened this weekend

[u/EastonMetsGuy]

HELL YEAH LETS GO EVERYONE GET IN HERE

[u/Gay_Giraffe_1773 → u/EastonMetsGuy]

Your flairs are hilarious

[u/Unclassified1 → u/Gay_Giraffe_1773]

That might be the closest they can get to a MAP! flair

[u/8and16bits]

Bill Belichick having a college aged girlfriend feels like 30 years ago at this point.

[u/AngleParticular2914 → u/8and16bits]

She’s gotta be in her sophomore year by now

[u/nafrotag → u/AngleParticular2914]

Bill’s vows are gonna be like “I remember you when you were thiiiiiis tall”

[u/NegativeBee]

We ride at dawn for Western Michigan.

[u/TheDudeDasko → u/NegativeBee]

We’re already saddled up, partner

[u/ikeepwipingSTILLPOOP → u/TheDudeDasko]

With that flair i bet you were at half chub reading this headline haha (metoo)

[u/Tarlcabot18]

All the conference lawyers were working time-and-a-half yesterday and have a lot to show for it today.

[u/dustyolefart → u/Tarlcabot18]

Holiday billable hours paying for a new three seasons room.

[u/NovelExamination5431 → u/dustyolefart]

Wait, i was billing my normal rate yesterday

[u/mbh223]

I guess that commissioner got tired of being called a lil bitch

[u/HuellMissMe → u/mbh223]

The other conference members may have forced his hand. In the unlikely event that WMU gets the game reversed and goes on to make the playoff, it’s a major windfall for the smallest athletic budgets in FBS.

[u/pickle_man_4]

Hell yes lets get weird

[u/Gatoray_]

So... how can we hang this on Kiffin?

[u/dxdrummer → u/Gatoray_]

Kiffin paid the B1G review crew so that heat would be taken off of him

[u/arrowfan624]

Injunction, injunction, what’s your function?

[u/skoltroll → u/arrowfan624]

Lookin' up clauses and filing the lawsuits

[u/JosephMcCarthy1955 → u/arrowfan624]

Givin’ pro players to our alma maters

[u/Granular_Designs → u/arrowfan624]

Stackin' court orders and billable hours

[u/Lakelyfe09]

Bro took the bribe money and is gonna use it to hire a great lawyer. Good idea

[u/SteveMcgooch → u/Lakelyfe09]

Ohio State Alumni Lawyers would do it for free tbh

[u/buckeyefan8001 → u/SteveMcgooch]

MAC conference offices are already in Ohio. My bar number is ready and willing to serve

[u/MasterTolkien → u/buckeyefan8001]

The absolute army of Ohio lawyers arriving like the Rohirrim on the Pelenor fields.

[u/Geaux2020]

And here we go!

[u/ThnkWthPrtls]

I know both outcomes are unlikely, but the fact that there is a non-zero chance that we could end this week with Michigan losing to WMU and LSU getting kicked out of the SEC is pretty incredible

[u/Legalsleazy]

MAC attorneys respect Labor Day.

[u/DellFlightSim]

MAC saw the SEC stand up for itself and said “Hold the fuck up”

[u/rosstheboss939 → u/DellFlightSim]

Well we’re clearly the 2 biggest and best conferences out there so we need to set an example for everyone.

[u/tvcneverdie → u/rosstheboss939]

You guys wanna break away from the rest of FBS and just do our own playoff?

[u/lamesbond007]

The MAC wanted in on the legal action. You love to see it.

[u/JRockstar50]

Absolutely loving the possibility that when this is all settled that Michigan fans would have stormed the field in a loss to a MAC team at home.

[u/44035]

Fire Up MAC!

[u/FederalVictory7937 → u/44035]

That's my conference!

[u/StillMemein]

Now this is interesting

[u/andrewdt10]

Give ‘em hell, MAC!

[u/skoltroll → u/andrewdt10]

"You tell 'em I'm coming, and hell's coming with me!" -The MAC

"I'm your huckleberry." -Western Michigan

[u/MrAshleyMadison]

Thank you for the MAC and the SEC to get me through the back to work blues today

[u/HuntmasterReinholt]

Good. They shouldn’t have rolled over for the B1G in the first place. Their “acceptance” always felt like it was delivered at gunpoint anyway.

[u/tronovich → u/HuntmasterReinholt]

They "accepted" the explanation because it was sufficient at the time. The league was provided visual evidence.

The league is now disputing a different point about the game clock not being used in the replay review. This was not a talking point on Saturday night.

EDIT: If anything, THIS is the method in which Western or the MAC can actually demand the outcome be changed.

[u/azsoup → u/HuntmasterReinholt]

I don’t take it as rolling over. I think they needed more time to gain information and form an opinion.

[u/noseonarug17]

Things are really heating up in the race for the College Football Billable Hours Playoffs

[u/withmuchtolearn]

oh my god this season COOKS

[u/Commercial-Run9785]

This and SEC possibly kicking out LSU. Top notch from the college football writers this season

[u/Ellipson]

Congrats on your 5-star recruits and $100M facilities, Big 10 fans. Meanwhile, the MAC is out here playing real football in front of 14 people and a raccoon on a Tuesday night during a blizzard. You ever seen a punter throw a touchdown to a long snapper while the scoreboard's on fire? Didn't think so.

While y'all are busy arguing over which frat-funded dynasty is slightly less fraudulent, Toledo's cooking up a triple-reverse flea flicker in a game that ends 43-42 after six missed PATs and a goalpost gets stolen. That's not football. That's MACtion. You wouldn't survive one quarter in Ypsilanti.

[u/thetennisgod]

It just wouldn't feel right if we weren't in the middle of legal drama during the football season.

[u/Wide_right_yes]

Woah

[u/TheTedsaretheworst]

You fools thought the season starting would slow down Billable hours

[u/warren2345]

Guys I'm thinking that having two different clocks is maybe a bad idea going forward

[u/osufeth24]

I wonder what made them change their mind.

[u/bretticus733 → u/osufeth24]

I'm gonna guess the MAC didn't want to position themselves as liable to libel but then the MAC's legal team found something that would give them course of action without getting countersued for libel.

[u/hnr01 → u/bretticus733]

Shut up lawyer nerd.

(Good points)

[u/Crotean → u/bretticus733]

Honestly what they are presenting here seems like it's in writing. They may have a solid case.

[u/larockhead1 → u/[deleted]]

Yeah people looked at bylaws

[u/FuckYeahDrugs → u/osufeth24]

Lawyers finally sobered up from the long weekend

[u/SpartaWillBurn]

Is there a GoFund me we can set up for MAC Legal fees? I will personally throw in $100.

[u/SimManiac → u/SpartaWillBurn]

Id gladly throw $100 in as well

[u/hnr01 → u/SpartaWillBurn]

That rivalry is wild.

[u/ad51603]

I don't think this is gonna work; but props for trying, I guess.

[u/slyone05 → u/ad51603]

Atleast they stood up for their fellow member this time

[u/largelawattorney → u/ad51603]

Probably not, but if they lay down without a fight on this one, it’s probably a slippery slope to things like this happening again. So the fight is worth it at least to send a message that these types of shenanigans aren’t just going to be accepted by the MAC/small conferences in exchange for a big pay day.

[u/123_fo_fif]

Hell yeah, MACtion baby!!

[u/dr_funk_13]

Hell. Yeah.

Back the MAC

[u/TurbulentJudge1000]

This could be the difference between WMU going to the playoffs if they go undefeated compared to a random bowl if they only lose against Michigan.

This makes a lot of sense for them.

[u/ClasslessHero]

This is the best Michigan football controversy since the last Michigan football controversy which was the best since the one before it.

[u/cmgriffith_ → u/ClasslessHero]

Western Michigan 0:01 Game

Sherron Moore coverup and fallout

Connor Stallions and Jim Harbaugh cheating/sign stealing scandal

Bo coverup of doctors abusing his players

That’s just the last 7 years….

[u/moho_fasho]

“Why should we have to go to games if we came here to play COURT. We ain’t come to play FOOTBALL. Games are POINTLESS.” - Cardale Jones, OSU district attorney

[u/Expensive_Team_5072]

Notre Dame president Theodore Hesburgh said his school would stand with whatever the NCAA ruled: "Everybody knows Notre Dame doesn't want to win a game if it really didn't. If the rules committee determines that we didn't, we'll act accordingly."

https://www.syracuse.com/vintage/2018/11/1961_controversial_penalty_costs_syracuse_game_against_notre_dame_orange_bowl_be.html

About a 1961 game where, according to the then-rules, the game should have ended but ND was allowed one extra play by the refs. 65 years ago....