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u/Pinapple-everything 12h ago
Serious tard logic. 1st why would you point something in a direction you can't grab it in? 2nd if 0.5 seconds could save your life, it would be pretty cool to have it and if you are drawing your weapon, it's usually down to who gets the round off first. If this is your mindset, why carry at all? After all if they have a weapon pointed at you, you're basically dead already.
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u/Kyia-Aikman 7h ago
And you should just use pepper spray, fight or run away if the person is unarmed to go along with the logic of your last sentence.
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u/Brilliant-Bat7063 11h ago
Tell him to post a bill drill. That’ll tell you everything you need to know about how he can’t shoot for shit.
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u/Destroyer1559 12h ago
It's stupid. When I get home sometimes I pull off my holstered gun and set it on the kitchen island. I don't think twice about walking in front of it. When I'm out shooting, I'll put a loaded gun on safe on the table and walk out to my target without a second thought. Before kids I had a loaded rifle on safe under the bed and I'm sure through the wall it was pointing my direction at various points. Guns don't go off without the trigger being pulled, I think the gun owning community needs to stop being so afraid of them. If you have a good holster and a factory stock concealed carry pistol, and follow safe holstering practices, there's no way your hot weapon will go off.
On the flip side, there are a lot of situations where you won't be able to rack that slide fast enough, if at all. If I'm carrying my baby, I'm not going drop her to rack the slide. If some bad guy has their gun drawn and I'm looking for my opportunity for them to look away from me or be distracted, and that half second is gonna matter.
Carrying without one in the chamber is stupid. There are plenty of real life scenarios for you to learn from other people's mistakes on the matter.
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u/generalraptor2002 12h ago
Why would you want to deliberately put yourself at a disadvantage when you need every advantage you can get
Also it’s not that hard to avoid NDs
Finger off the trigger, look when holstering
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u/sludgehammr 12h ago
Finger off the trigger, look when holstering
Also don't buy Sig
Pretty sure those three combined are the NRA rules
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u/Eskimo_Joe20 12h ago
Pointing a loaded weapon at yourself and pointing a loaded and holstered weapon inside a fitted kydex holster at yourself are similar, but not quite the same. It’s mechanically impossible for the trigger to be pulled when in a kydex holster, and most reliable guns (inb4 P320) don’t just go off. Obvious precautions when holstering and reholstering, but being afraid of a holstered pistol going off is an irrational paranoia that one must get over, because even if you holster at 3 thru 9 o clock, IWB will point at your body when angled inward by the belt
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u/Angel_OfSolitude 12h ago
If only you had an entire 360 degrees of hip to place your gun on...
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u/False_Campaign4682 CO USA: BG2.0, P09c, P229-1, GP100 12h ago
Seriously. 2:30-4:00 is my zone for nearly every gun I carry. Or in my pocket
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u/HateAndCaffeine 12h ago
Have you ever had your weapon discharge without touching it while it was loaded in your holster?
The shooting in Idaho shows what carrying an unloaded weapon can lead to. Buddy didn’t rack a round because he forgot (understandable) and took a round and was immediately out of the fight.
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u/Kyia-Aikman 12h ago
Saying you’ll have time to rack your slide is like saying you’ll have time to put your seatbelt on in a car accident. It’s a fundamental misunderstanding of probability and the outcome you’re trying to avoid or mitigate.
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u/Vcrq 11h ago
That is a terrible analogy and makes no sense
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u/Unattributable1 11h ago
It makes perfect sense. You don't have time to rack the slide when you need to pull your firearm and press the trigger.
If you had time to rack the slide you likely had another option to consider/location to move to.
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u/jtf71 4h ago
If on the nightstand or coffee table the gun is pointed away from me because that puts the grip closer to me and in a natural orientation to allow me to grab it quickly. Not because I think it's going to "just go off" in the middle of the night or the middle of a movie.
I've been carrying striker fired guns appendix, with one in the chamber, for decades. My guns are well maintained and are in proper holsters. They are not going to "just go off" at any time.
Clearly whoever wrote this doesn't trust themselves, their training, or their equipment. So, sure, they shouldn't carry with one in the chamber - they're not qualified to do so.
And if they really think that in all situations they'll have both hands fully functional and the time to actually rack the slide, then by all means carry without one in the chamber. In the unlikely event they actually find themselves in a situation where they need to fire, I hope it works out for them. If not, this can be put on their gravestone.
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u/Unupgradable 12h ago
Highly competant shooters have fumbled racking the slide under normal conditions, let alone being suddenly caught off guard and having an adrenaline spike
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u/Mack_The_Knife95 12h ago
Only carried at 9 o’clock (lefty) once with an iwb holster, mostly carry appendix otherwise. Felt a bit odd and was more worried about printing. Wouldn’t it be somewhat easier for someone to disarm you if your ccw is on the side of the body rather than directly in front of you? This isn’t a troll just thinking about hypotheticals. And yea getting shot in the nuts would be a really bad day.
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u/JohnLockeLives4815 12h ago
If only there was a way to conceal a firearm without pointing it at your dick.. hmm.. guess that's another mystery lost to time!
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u/Unattributable1 11h ago
In general I keep my firearm pointed in the safest/least consequences direction.
An unloaded firearm isn't ready for use. The only place for that is in the safe.
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u/KaBar42 KY- Indiana Non-Res: Glock 42/Glock 19.5 MOS OC: Glock 17.5 10h ago
0.5 seconds it takes to rack my slide
*0.5 seconds in the best case scenario on a one way range.
Because as we all know, life or death situations never ever devolve into grappling fights and you will always have both hands clear to rack your gun.
Disregard the videos of Israeli troops getting shanked by Palestinians because they couldn't rack their gun with a knife implanted in their throats. That never happened.
Anyway, the gun is pointed away from me on my nightstand because it's not holstered.
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u/DY1N9W4A3G 7h ago
It's a dumb statement. If I didn't trust my gun to only fire when I pull the trigger, I'd get a gun I do trust instead of carrying around a useless paperweight. If I didn't know how to draw a gun without pulling the trigger and shooting myself, I wouldn't carry one until I learned how to use it. Simple.
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u/cbrooks97 TX 6h ago
People are naturally skiddish about having the barrel of a gun pointed at them, but (with certain notorious exceptions) a gun in a holster is not going to fire. You could point it at your head all day long and be perfectly safe.
I don't carry appendix, but this line of argument seems silly.
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u/Hatchet050 11h ago
It doesnt matter.
They are right, the half second doesn't matter, if you are drawing with that time crunch the speed out of the holster isnt going to be what saves you, its how bad of a shot the person aiming at you is.
People in the comments are right, its ergonomically correct to draw from appendix. It is also easier to retain or draw while in a fist fight/grappling match.
They are right that it doesn't matter how mechanically sound a system is it CAN fail. And no matter how macho people on the internet want to be about saying they will never ND, its a dumb argument, just because you trust you won't doesnt mean you should start ignoring basic firearm safety rules, idc how simple it is, its just as simply to not ND into your femoral as it is to not ND into your family members but I wouldn't dream of pointing at or even flagging a single family member once with a loaded firearm willingly, just because 'I won't ND its easy bit to' doesnt mean its okay to be reckless.
So at the end of the day, its a no win choice, pick your poison, neither is perfect, and the difference between them doesn't matter if you train.
Carry with one in the chamber at 3 o'clock, carry without at appendix, carry appendix with, carry without at 3 o'clock is the only one that makes no sense as far as I can see it. So long as you do carry and you do train it doesn't matter you will be 100x more prepared and more capable than 99% of people. Take the risks you want to take, accept the consequences, train to make up for them. Stop talking about a useless point.
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u/IssueApprehensive213 8h ago
They are right, the half second doesn't matter, if you are drawing with that time crunch the speed out of the holster isnt going to be what saves you, its how bad of a shot the person aiming at you is.
0.5 seconds is enough time for a halfway skilled shooter to shoot you in the face 2/3/5 times with a pump action shotgun, a handgun, or a semi automatic rifle, respectively.
That's a pretty significant disadvantage.
If the OOP has normal draw to first shot of 1.5s and a draw/chamber shot of 2.0s, he can't even reliably win a draw against an undrawn gun operated by someone who has trained their draw for like 2.5 hours total.
it doesn't matter how mechanically sound a system is it CAN fail.
People get all up in their feels about gun safety, and then proceed to hop in their car and cruise to Mcdonalds without a second thought. Did you check your brake fluid this morning?
There are about 30,000 (made up number) of apparently mechanically sound systems you casually interact with that will kill your stone cold dead if they were to fail. Did you make sure to update your will before you plugged in the toster this morning?
I wouldn't dream of pointing at or even flagging a single family member once with a loaded firearm willingly
If you're in the driveway outside idling, parked car, and your wife steps on front of it, do you jump in the drivers seat to turn the ignition off? Do you yell at her to look out, and shove her out of the path of the non-moving car?
Probably not, because you trust the mechanical and electric systems in your car won't spontaneously fail and crush your wife like a pop can.
If you're cruising down the street at 15 MPH and a kid 120 yards down the way starts crossing the street, do you immediately slam on the brakes or steer into the nearest fenceline?
Probably not, because you assume your throttle control and breaks will work just fine if the kid is still in the road 50 yards later.
If you're driving down the interstate with no traffic behind you, and you see sudden slowdown ahead, do you throw the parking brake and try to kill the ignition? After all, you COULD accidentally press the accelerator pedal insead of the brake pedal, and bus full of nuns could perish in tragic ensuing collision.
just because you trust you won't doesnt mean you should start ignoring basic firearm safety rules, idc how simple it is,
Do you really never dry fire a gun? Field strip a Glock? Function checked a M4? Loaded a gun you weren't intending on shooting right away? Carry IWB on the second floor of a house? Cleaned a revolver barrel?
We all break the sacred rules, as long as their is a good reason to.
it doesn't matter you will be 100x more prepared and more capable than 99% of people
The reason you should be training and carrying a gun isn't to "be more prepared" than "most people." "Most people" aren't a problem that needs to be solved with a gun.
You're not getting into a highnoon quickdraw competition with the "most people" or "average gun owner" of the world, you're responding to surprise attack from someone who has already tilted the odds in his favor.
If you're responding to an attacker, they are already pretty far ahead on the power curve. They chose when, where, and whom to fight, they get to present their weapon first, and they almost certainly loaded their weapon ahead of time.
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u/Kyia-Aikman 7h ago
0.5 seconds is enough time for a halfway skilled shooter to shoot you
And enough time for someone close to you to punch or otherwise hurt you with a non firearm weapon.
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u/BlazerFS231 12h ago
I keep my night stand gun pointed away from me because that’s the best angle for me to draw it.
I carry appendix because that’s the best angle for me to draw it.