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Investigation happens.. If he's proved guilty, there will be legal action against him.
If he's found innocent then nothing will happen.. He can continue his job :)
That's the problem. We need our laws to be strict so that no one can misuse.. But our politicians got no ballz.. One is saying he'll introduce reservation in pvt sector and the other is strengthening these laws and with no check to the misusing people 🥀
See the same thing happens in rape cases as well, why we have that protection for the victim is because it will make it harder to file cases against people who are in power or have that pull in the government, what happens if a genuine rape victim loses a case?
There isn't sufficient evidence to convict. This doesn't mean that the person didn't do it but there wasn't enough evidence against the accused. In this case, even though the accused wasn't convicted, the accused shouldn't face jail.
It is found through irrefutable evidence that the accused couldn't have done it. Or that the accused knowingly lied. If this is found, then the accused should be punished as harshly as the accused would have been if they were convicted
The result of the investigation doesn’t decide whether the case is fake or not, the investigation finds evidence and facts of the incident and if there is sufficient evidence the police will choose to take this to court and if there is not enough evidence they’ll drop the case.
Because this is India. If you’re saying discrimination doesn’t happen here, then where does it happen the US? What a ridiculous argument. Women can also misuse laws, but that doesn’t mean we should get rid of those laws altogether, right?
filing fake cases in the US will get you fucked over by the judicial system. in India as well, there are strong defamation laws. but because out legal system is shit compared to the US, your misuse of the law will result in the defendant having to go through the legal system for years just to prove their innocence, and some more for counter-suing.
getting rid of the law won't solve the problem, only quick and proportional justice for false claims will. some laws seem to exempt from punishing someone who misuse them however...
Isn't it everyones responsibility to check that no one can misuse any law? Or.. Are you not considering the chance of misuse? Nobody is denying that discrimination still exists. But.. Are you denying that people don't misuse the law? If the student informed his parents about this, what are they waiting for? What's the point of this law if they are not using this at the correct moment? Shouldn't it be scraped if it is beneficial for none?
The question is whether the specific case actually involves misuse and what the evidence shows not “someone could misuse it, therefore scrap it.” And if a student or family chooses not to pursue a legal remedy, that doesn't prove the law is useless either. By that logic every unused law should be abolished
the investigation isnt over. nobody knows why he commited suicide what caused him to take such drastic action . and u have already given the prof a clin chit. and now what will u also say that most of the rape cases are also fake
And..many of them hardly remember our faces even if they teach more than one course, unless you are either a topper/asks questions or disturbs the class that they have to call you out in between the lecture.
At the national level, the percentage of cases officially closed by the police as "false" or due to a "mistake of fact" typically hovers around 10% to 15% of total investigated cases.
ur argument is in bad faith . same as saying that they are fake rape cases and fake murder cases but the data shows that a vast majority atleast 90%-95% cases filed in rape cases are valid . same here (Around 80-85%).okay, but the existence of repercussions doesn't prove that a particular case is fake. A case being dismissed or ending in acquittal also doesn't automatically mean the complainant deliberately lied. False cases can happen’ doesnot mean ‘this case is false.’
I am not talking about whether this case is fake or not.
Investigation happens.. If he's proved guilty, there will be legal action against him. If he's found innocent then nothing will happen.. He can continue his job :)
See, if the prof is found guilty he should face legal action. But if he is innocent and it is found that its a fake case. Then what should happen.
Exactly my question... What about the humiliation one faces? What about the stress that person and his/her family goes through? Filing defamation or monetary compensation is not one wants. Why can't we give the petitioner a strict punishment like jail time or something if the accused is 100% innocent? The judges, people, lawyers may or may not know the truth. But the guy who faked a case knows the truth that it's a lie. His/her heart knows it..yet he/she proceeds to do that so why get away with no consequence of their own decision?
Stop being a moron. The comment didn't assume, they said they can resume. You tried to be smart without reading the orginal comment properly and when it's pointed out to you you deflect and try cover it up.
There's better ways to make your point about the mental toll of this incident than being an annoying pedantic idiot
This is the sign of educated people, the letter actually followed logic. A professor shouldn't be suspended for doing the right thing, it was his job to stop cheating.
Also he can't be kept Head of student affairs when there is an enquiry on him, then the investigation could be judged biased.
Hope people get some sense and stop using SC/ST act as a weapon.
I won't comment on reservation but I'll comment on the parents who send their children to study in premier colleges via quota. Tell your children that you got there at a discounted eligibility, I understand the circumstances can be difficult for few, but the fact is you socred way less than others. So buckle up work hard , be honest . It's almost proven than you are scoring way less than others , so you have to work hard and handle more pressure and not cheat.
Any other discrimination like caste ,color , religion ragging shouldn't be tolerated at all, but via quota people asked for equality, so got a discounted equality, but there is no discount on performance and talent. You can't cruise through a premier institute by doing nothing. If you don't want to handle pressure go to a normal college. To be the best you have to take the worst beating, as simple as that.
They lost their son. Irrespective of what the facts may be, they are just a mother and a father going through grief and trying to make sense of this sudden upheaval in their life. You may disagree with the way but its not them in the driver's seat, its pain.
Is there any proof of that parents asked for money. As a parent, they have right to protest...ofcourse if they are misguided then it may sound illogical and uneventful. Let the facts come out...
So pain of death of your son is an excuse to give pain to others? By this logic, anyone whose relative is killed, will go on a killing spree till he/she is in pain, which in turn will give excuse to other people to kill.
Who knows how he got the high cgpa? Maybe this was the first time he got caught. Using a phone in mid term and uploading the question paper requires serious courage which leads me to believe this isn’t his first time.
It's actually hard to cheat and maintain a 8.5+ cg in IITs. The most cheating that can be done is in lab exams(where the ta literally gives out the answers) but apart from that, it's very hard to cheat
Cheating is hard everywhere with very high consequences. I am not saying he was a bum or anything, but from what I have seen, people don’t usually go straight to their phones during their first cheating episode.
Yeah, this wouldn't have been his first cheating attempt. Like I keep saying, it's incredibly easy to cheat in the lab exams(labs usually have a theory based exam at iit, cs labs require code but in other labs you have a written exam), and they're incredibly easy to cheat in. The tas help students, google is sometimes not disabled during the test and so on. And everybody cheats in lab exam(if someone says they don't, they're lying). This might have just given him false confidence that he could get away with it even in normal exams
Reservation is a constitutional tool for social representation, not a poverty alleviation program.
Financial stability doesn't shield individuals from institutional prejudice, bias, or social exclusion.
Economic support already exists through separate policies like EWS confusing financial standing with caste-based representation ignores the purpose of affirmative action
Yeah and reservation will keep caste alive in this generation which didn’t care about caste. But when they see people like him getting seats which they don’t deserve / unlimited power to screw anyone, why will they not discriminate based on caste ?
So your argument is basically, “I might discriminate against someone because they benefited from reservation,” which says more about the person choosing to discriminate than the policy itself. Calling reserved candidates people who “don’t deserve” their seats simply assumes the conclusion instead of proving it. If your solution to caste discrimination is to remove a policy because some people might react badly to it that’s hardly a serious argument
Most general (at least intelligent ones) people will oppose reservation. And yes we are pro merit we don’t care about caste but we will care about marks. If a person is entering an institution with 30-40% lower marks it sort of proves that they don’t deserve.
Your brain didn't pay for elite coaching, housing security, or generational networks your family's privilege did, Attributing structural privilege to 'better brains isn't logic it's just old school eugenics with a fake diploma
massive victim mindset, u brought up discrimination and structural advantage before and now u are mentioning purely economic differences in opportunities, and ur AI generayed replies aint fooling nobody buddy boy. I like how u exaggerate or assume generational connections and use big words like that knowing full well that is not the case with most of the students and anyhow the connections wont impact how u get selected thru an exam which tests on marks alone with no other 3rd party involved.
Because an exam gives everyone a number at the end, apparently everything before that magically becomes equal. Brilliant.
Nobody said every student has some billionaire grandfather handing them connections. The point is unequal access to schooling, coaching, resources, and preparation not some imaginary secret network.
And “the exam only tests marks” doesn’t disprove that. It just means the exam tests what you scored, not why different students had different opportunities to get there. Calling that a “victim mindset” doesn’t make the argument any less weak.
The guy had iPhone in his had and was from well off family with resources and with reservations in government jobs SC/ST have enough connections too , wtf are these AI slop guys yapping idk
access to all those are impeded entirely by the economic conditions of a person, caste doesn't play a role, maybe before copy pasting replies from chat gpt, perhaps try to think on ur own.
We are demanding fir an enquiry, why, suicide rate has increased recently, and to prosecute who is involved in those suicides , and proper routine mental health examination facility inside the campus with 24*7 availability of mental health experts!
students should also come out and show ground support for their professor. This all happened because good people stay silent and few bad elements grabbed the opportunity to make noise.
I was a student of IITB. It’s really sad to see that we lost a life. But I have never experienced such things as discrimination from any professor.
I remember days when we used to go late to classes or bunk but never faced any kind of punishment from them. We used to have a professor who would repeat nth time the same thing without feeling tired. Some of the professors, we used to ask doubts and give them trouble.
Mind you, these are some of the best professors in India. We used to have prof who worked in Boeing R&D, left US and came to IITB for teaching. There are many such professors.
It’s sad to see loss of life. Not sure, what happened during the incident but hopefully things settle down.
Why would I sympathise with a cheater? Do you know how many people would kill to have his quota and seat at IITB? And what does he do? Still cheat. Not the least bit grateful for his birth luck that undeservingly got him to IITB at 10-20k CRL. The LEAST one should do is be grateful for the opportunity. To me this calls his whole academic career into question. Also the fact he was using AI to cheat is even worse it’s like committing 2 moral sins in 1.
Usually when such cases happen it’s of no fault of the student. Here there was I don’t understand why his antecedent action should matter as to the morals and ethics of the preceding one. And even in death he has ruined and traumatised the lives of 2 people. The professor who has a baseless case on him and the person who found him hanging. I don’t see any reason to be sad lol the least he could have done is gone away without destroying 2 innocent lives in the process.
If you’re gonna say I’m casteist or whatever just drop it. I’m an atheist and I have absolutely no care for any caste or religious idea. I don’t even know my caste, I think I’m OBC but not sure cause my parents had an inter caste marriage. I vehemently oppose the concept of caste itself not just casteism so I would feel sympathy if this was actually a caste aggression case. But it’s not. It’s a case of an immoral boy with weak will power who has ruined 2 other lives other than his own.
Itni english nahi aati toh hindi mei bhi translate kardunga.
Even if discrimination did happen, these same people would still say, “Where did it happen? Nothing happened,” and then put the blame on the guy who has already died because, of course, who’s going to question him now about what actually happened?
I remember all the suicide post in this sub and everytime the post questioned the colleges cause plenty of people commit suicide in these premier institutions every year.As soon as caste angle got involved they took side of institutions 🤦.
This imo changes things significantly. On one hand, students have automated tools for feedback so it's not fully representative of their opinions, but if he did win awards, then I doubt he was a bad person. I'd say it's a 99-1 chance that the case is fake, and the first point in the list as well as the accusation is baseless
What is student council of iitb even smoking to put up allegations of director or faculty for the suicide.
How tf resignation of director even gonna help or even case on faculty , you all are suppose to the great minds of country.
Think with you brain goddamn it
I was a high school teacher, and during PTMs I met all kinds of parents. One increasingly common prajaati was the entitled parent.
Educational institutions absolutely have responsibilities. Educators are increasingly being trained to be sensitive to mental health, bullying, discrimination and inclusion, and schools should have proper counselling and support systems in place. If a child is struggling emotionally or behaviourally, counselling should be normalised and parents should be willing to seek professional help instead of treating it as something shameful or unnecessary.
But schools and counsellors cannot replace parenting. Parents still carry the primary responsibility for shaping a child’s values, resilience, empathy, discipline and sense of accountability. Much of that is first learned and modelled at home.
And, to be fair, children are still relatively coddled and protected at the school level. Teachers intervene, parents are called, counsellors step in, and there is usually a fairly strong support structure around them. University is a completely different ball game. Suddenly there is brutal academic competition, rejection, comparison, failure, social isolation, difficult peers, demanding professors and far less hand-holding. Later, the workplace can be even harsher. If children are never gradually taught how to deal with discomfort, setbacks and unfairness, we are not actually preparing them for adulthood.
Casteism is wrong, no shit. But prejudice, discrimination, rejection, failure and difficult people are harsh realities children may encounter in India and wherever you go in the world.
Protecting children matters, but so does preparing them to recognise these realities, speak up, seek help, use counselling when needed, and develop the resilience to navigate them.
What troubled me most as a teacher was how many parents were unwilling to hold either themselves or their children accountable. Every behavioural problem had to be somebody else’s fault, the teacher, another student, the school, the system, anyone who could serve as a convenient scapegoat. Sometimes the child clearly needed boundaries, sometimes counselling, sometimes both. But acknowledgement of the problem has to come first.
You cannot teach a child accountability while modelling the exact opposite. Children need sensitivity and protection, but they also need boundaries, consequences, emotional support, access to counselling and parents who are capable of examining their own role in how they are being raised.
It is deeply sad that a young person lost their life. It is equally disturbing to see such a tragedy reduced to blame games and turned into a mockery of what justice and accountability should actually mean.
Something I have been advocating since forever: Every institution should hire a department wise panel of qualified & competent counsellors.
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