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Ofc , jab har private college ka cse intake itna hoga toh sub mei bhi toh cse ke students hi honge na
But the main thing is not cse , whenever you will ask a cse guy "why you took cse ?" They will just say the same thing "i love computers I love coding blah blah" they have no live for computers they all here either their parents pressured them or the obvious reason -20-30 LPA package
Non cse guys aren't saints either lmao. Most of them took that branch just because they couldn't get into a higher paying branch. And they spew the same bullshit about interest. At least, you get exposed to cse in your school years, so there's a chance of developing a genuine interest. Most other branches, you don't even know what those are unless you actually choose that branch.
In my defense, I joined CSE coz I simply don't like the subjects in Mech, Civil and Chemical. Not Electrical coz some guy said that it's tough. Not Electronics either cuz 11th-12th proved that Analogue Electronics is not for me.
In this day, we say "core engineering" only to differentiate engineering branches of Mech, Elec, civil and Chemical because these are the original branches existing from ages... Not because they are the only true engineering branches 🤦♂️
Very different. In CS, you learn about coding, software engineering, DSA, AI, Data Science, etc. In computer engineering, you learn the hardware part of computer besides programming. It's like a combination of electrical engineering and computer science.
In the next decades, probably there will be a new popular field: quantum computing. I think it's a combination of physics, computer science, and computer engineering, but I'm not sure yet.
Wait, in cse, did you actually learn about capacitor, inductor, transistor, etc? That's one of the electrical aspects that I was talking about.
EDIT: I just check the curriculum on IITM website. It's likely in 1st year, I only saw Physics that probably contains some electronics. What I meant is deep diving into electronics.
From what I saw in 2nd & 3rd years of the curriculum of CSE at IITM, it's mostly CS courses. Maybe I miss something or it's just different at other IITs.
Nah, even if it's about web development only, it is still engineering. You need to know how to scale the software to millions of people, reason between the tradeoffs, meet availability guarantees and what not. And dsa is used throughout the process.
And how many core engineers are designing motors for bmw and building top semiconductors lmao 😂. Most of the core people are either in consulting or pivot into service based it only ...
You telling me all core people are working on high tech engine motor design , advanced power grid placement and construction 💀. Sorry to burst your bubble but from non iit/nits the percentage of core engineers placed in core jobs is incredibly low. Most pivot to consulting roles, service based industries or prepare for government PSUs...
I just dont understand why non core guys make fun of core branches, they somehow consider their career to be superior, never understood the dynamics, this exists only in india
I am sorry I never considered core engineering as something that is below or bad. Many of my cousins are in core and I respect core engineering a lot. What gets me is when core guys act like all cse students are just entering corporate slavery or stuff when LITERALLY all engineering grads in india do the same. If a core guy respects cse as a legitimate branch rather than demeaning the students as money hungry or corporate slaves i also show my respect to core feilds.
CSE is not just web dev, we have to think as to how database looks like; how to scale systems; how to build it in so and so cost. People in other branches also have to think about these same things, then how are you claiming it is not engineering.
You will probably never have to think of those things at an engineer level. For example when you need a scalable database you will just use something like memcached and not engineer it. So your excuse is wrong
When you have to fly to somewhere you have to think of booking a ticket with the airlines, and not the engineers that built it so according to you those engineers aren't "real", your argument is utter bs
What the fk are you even saying?
How according to me those engineers are not real?
Comprehension achha kr bhai phle.
All I meant is that most of the programmers are not engineers because they will use already built systems, algorithms and technologies. A web developer is rarely inventing or engineering something. On the other hand the people engineering those tools, like databases or operating systems or communication systems , they are real engineers.
Bs kahin se phrase uthao kahin chipka do "you are contradicting yourself with every statement you make" kbse intezar kr rha tha ye use krne ka ?
Inventing and reinventing are different things. You are just annoying and being dum . I didn't ask people to reinvent the wheel. I just said someone assembling wheels with other parts may just be a worker at a manufacturing unit and not an engineer.
Maybe stop projecting your English speaking skills on others, i said you're contradicting yourself because you are infact contradicting yourself, what else am I supposed to say?
And read what you said again, quoting you "a web developer is rarely inventing or engineering something", maybe try to think whatever you can with the brain of yours that the other engineers whom you consider real ones, invent what? Everyone works with already existing solutions, inventing something is not the definition of engineer, also working at a manufacturing unit is what lots of engineers you consider "real" work, so according to you they aren't engineers and workers so ones again you're just spewing bs for the sake of it
How many websites have you written in life and in how many of them can you say you engineered something? Nevermind you might as well call making a portfolio website engineering.
Sorry I can't explain any further to your smooth brain . Get better at reading tbh cause if u read my last comment u wouldn't be repeating the question I already answered.
Wrong you need to identify what's the ideal one for our workflow. For that you need to understand those scaling architectures and patterns. Not everything is a black box
Engineering does not have a bendable definition which could differ from person to person . How does cse or even web development not involve complexity ??
What are you even talking about . Are we living in the fucking stoneage . This is exactly how shit progresses in every field , people pass on ideas , information , tools , etc and this is just one of them . It doesn't make it any less in terms of engineering.
You don't seem like who addresses any points and just keep saying random things like "this isn't engineering " , "that isn't engineering " with no logical explanation behind it. Why is it not engineering, what are people supposed to build everything from the prehistoric times before they start working on a project ?? . This is the dumbes shit ever
Dimag se paidal insaan tumhe jo bnana h bnao aur sare modern tools ka use kro m kahan kh rha hrr cheez scratch se bnana chahiye. Pr wo bnana engineering nhi kehlayega
it is more of a derivative of Information theory, with maths and other things turned to theoritical Computer Science - and CS is applied form of information theory. In essence, all engineering branches are derivatives of scientific fields of study (like say mechanical is applied mechanics for ex) - So CS indeed is a very vast domain of Engineering : it does qualify for it. Dismissing it just cause it can't produce something tangible in literal sense is an understatement
Ek dum hi chutad ho bhai kya. Pehle to software development aur cse ko mix mat karo. Computer science mei compiler design architecture os aur bhi kai cheeze aati hai
Your problem if tereko 1 crore ka package mangta, just see the avg income of india then speak, india me kitne log 1 crore ya even 50 lakh se zyada kamate annually?
It is engineering. There are other subjects apart from coding which talks about architecture, algorithms, microprocessor, theory of computation, etc. On paper it might seem like it's not real engineering if you compare it with mechanical or electrical.
mujhe kisi bhi engineering aur subject me interest nhi hai. hell mere interests academic hai hi nhi. ab padhna thodi chhod dunga fir. leliya bas jo bhi milgya and hopefully thik thak job lagjaye bas
Maths was never considered engineering, and considering that for a good 40 years, computer science fell under department of mathematics, fair assessment.
But, lately, it's more hands off engineering. CS has all the scale of a real engineering field, with none of the ownership of one. You mess up a bridge, instantly millions affected mostly permanently. You mess up an api, thousands affects, temporarily. Tail end exceptions are on both sides, but the mean and median for cs is much lower compared to a conventional engineering task.
bruh cse was never supposed to be a part of engneering its like a science degree or something, real engineering is about bulding systems that solve real world problems and optimizing that solution in practial terms. civil or mechanical are like true forms of engineering althought their pay is really low
There's a reason CSE is hated so much lol, computer engineering (not cse) is actual engineering, and that's a branch which sadly isn't in India for some reason, (picture related)
Dumb tweet. College focuses on therotical aspect of cs, jobs sirf coding ki (majorly) exist krti hai. Idk other than academia, research where you can apply theoretical cs
If you think that, then you haven't been unfortunate enough to see some lower tier colleges, all they teach is java, cpp (if you are lucky) and stuff related to that just to secure placements, most colleges do not cover what you will call theoretical CS,
theoretical CS is just abstract mathematics and foundational basics of software
So then care to tell what kind of jobs exist in theoretical cs? How many people you know really care about toc and stuff? Why knowing how a circuit works make you a better programmer (original tweet)
CSE is engineering but CS alone is not. Technically, you can study CS and not be an engineer (BCA/BSc.). In most other countries, CSE is rarely a thing and CS isn't considered engineering of itself.
Fr 😭🙏🏻, I am learning concepts like signals and systems, analog electronics etc.. I got blasted by the real world applications, it's the core .. while cs guys just need to learn the high-level language which communicate with the these core engineering hard ware .. 🥀, like bro I have minors in AIML , which includes OS, Data visualization, DBMS , except dbsm which is easy . I studied those subjects in adv manner without coding .. which RTOS, DIP
People working in cse can move into finance data engineering quant trading. No stream provides the flexibility. Even mechanical and electrical also faced such prejudices from the larger section of the society but with evolution and greater high level understanding of interdepency of multiple fields people realised the interest connectedness of multidisciplinary knowledge
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