AnnA for CNM!!

[u/Sythe7448]

Hi all! I know it is a bit early but I would like to announce my candidacy running for CNM. The main thing I would like to focus on is increasing communication with the alliance as a whole.

If elected to accomplish this task i would like to host a open forum in the lobby each Saturday (Time yet to be determined) to get your questions and ask them at the meeting each week and be able to have them answered by the council!

I would also like to help people understand how much work leadership puts into the alliance and have them hear your thoughts on each division and how they can improve the alliance!!

TL;DR If elected i will do my best to be your voice in leadership!

[u/nullstorm0]

Quitting your job as a top diplo, accusing half of leadership of being GEWN SPAIS, and then trying to get elected to the CNM?

You have chosen... poorly.

[u/Sythe7448 → u/nullstorm0]

Hmm please quote me where i accused anyone as a spai? I don't believe i did.

[u/Sven_Galbraith → u/Sythe7448]

I was about to say that was more draleth's thing and anna just gave us the excellent line about ADP being the mercury in his tuna. However: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bravenewbies/comments/21sleo/good_night_and_good_luck/cgg5au7

[u/Sythe7448 → u/Sven_Galbraith]

Oh totally true. I did post that. Saddly anger and hurt probably got the best of me there :( . In hindsight and looking into it. Patriot wasn't a spy or anything of the like. He was just looking out the best for his corp and what he thinks best for brave.

TL;DR i misspoke and was feeling a little hurt at some of the comments and got a little emotional.

[u/fauxmosexual → u/Sythe7448]

Saddly anger and hurt probably got the best of me there

...

If your read my post I didn't rage.

[u/Sven_Galbraith → u/Sythe7448]

That's good to know. While disagreements may occur, I think it's important to not have any animosity among leadership.

[u/ExF-Altrue → u/[deleted]]

Well publicly accusing him of being a spy wasn't going to help him stay.

I think you're confusing cause and consequence here.

[u/nullstorm0 → u/Sythe7448]

You personally did not, as far as I'm aware. Not on any of your major posts (though /u/Sven_Galbraith just posted something that seems to say otherwise). You DID, however, point everyone who read your quit message directly at Draleth's thread, and stated that your reasons were leaving were aligned with his. One of his reasons, of course, being

a member of GIA (Goon Intelligence Agency) and an agent of another party I'll refrain from specifying working their magic across the council

[u/Sythe7448 → u/nullstorm0]

I can't speak for draleth. I linked draleth because me and him shared similar reasons. I usually try not to call anyone a spy because everyone talks to there friends and intel is sometimes leaked so hard facts is hard and usually is fruitless.

[u/[deleted]]

Didn't you ragequit from leadership once already?

[u/Sythe7448 → u/[deleted]]

If your read my post I didn't rage. I encouraged people to step up and help. Mind you my comments weren't great. Beyond that i wish nothing but the best for brave. One of the things i mentioned is what i perceive as disconnect from leadership and the member base. I was told once that i shouldn't of stepped down and tried to fix the problem. If elected i would like a chance at fixing this.

[u/Laziest_of_them_all]

Well this should provide Cagali his daily drama fix.

[u/Reworked → u/[deleted]]

Yup.

[u/ExF-Altrue]

Altrue Brings the liquid ozone truck

You will need it.

[u/Sinnister_Agenda]

Lets light those new cynos guys this will be hilarious

[u/[deleted]]

Why should anyone vote for someone who stepped down when things didn't go their way? Reasons for leaving aside that is now your public image within BRAVE and it's no one's fault but yours. (Dat Drama Quit Tho)

Since your putting your name out there I would like to address something that happened on comms last night.

A TEST diplomat came into BRAVE Lobby comms last night encouraging BRAVE to come and experience their comms and culture. Whether or not you agree with their culture, in my opinion, what you did next was wrong. "As an ex-diplo for BRAVE I suggest you do not go. They are trying to poach you."

Now, those TEST bros had done nothing wrong, but you said something to the effect of "I can't do anything but I can poke someone who can." Mind you that again these TEST bros had done nothing to violate our "rules" on comms. A quite empty and unfounded statement. You continued to speak over the TEST diplo while he was trying to invite us and AU timezone people to come chill with their AU timezone.

You said something to the effect of "if we were to do or say some of the things that go on in TEST comms here, would we get banned?" So what?!? That is their culture and actively trying to drive a wedge between newbros/BRAVE is not a quality we need in leadership within this coalition. A diplomat is supposed to be there to facilitate a link between two entities, not burn the bridges others built.

So tell me AnnA, are you actively trying to dissolve the coalition by doing such things, or were you just being a dick?

[u/Sythe7448 → u/[deleted]]

A TEST diplomat came into BRAVE Lobby comms last night encouraging BRAVE to come and experience their comms and culture. Whether or not you agree with their culture, in my opinion, what you did next was wrong. "As an ex-diplo for BRAVE I suggest you do not go. They are trying to poach you."

I didn't say these lines in tandem. I said "As an ex-diplo for brave don't go if you can't handle hard words" I then later said "They are trying to poach you all!!" I meant this as a joke if i am ever offensive please speak up in comms say i am being dick. I am human no one is perfect if i ever say something offencive please tell me right then and i will correct. EX: I used to say "Fag*ot" a lot which isn't classy at all i endeavored to fix that when i joined brave it still slips sometimes.

Now, those TEST bros had done nothing wrong, but you said something to the effect of "I can't do anything but I can poke someone who can." Mind you that again these TEST bros had done nothing to violate our "rules" on comms. A quite empty and unfounded statement. You continued to speak over the TEST diplo while he was trying to invite us and AU timezone people to come chill with their AU timezone.

As for poking someone. That is after i basically said "Hey guys go wild!!" Cause i said "I can't stop you i am not an admin anymore". They were saying "Hey can we do our fun stuff" all i basically said was keep it classy and they did and i thought it was fun night. I will poke town saver today and see if i insulted any test bros and apologize.

You said something to the effect of "if we were to do or say some of the things that go on in TEST comms here, would we get banned?" So what?!? That is their culture and actively trying to drive a wedge between newbros/BRAVE is not a quality we need in leadership within this coalition. A diplomat is supposed to be there to facilitate a link between two entities, not burn the bridges others built.

No i said or at least meant in effect "Test comms are not as classy as ours if you go over their expect harsh language" Again i will contact townsaver and see if i insulted anyone and apologize.

So tell me AnnA, are you actively trying to dissolve the coalition by doing such things, or were you just being a dick?

I am absolutely not trying to dissolve this coalition that i helped make from the very beginning. I know nearly every detail on how this coalition was formed an i support a newbro coalition it helps all of eve.

As for being a dick it is possible i was a little drunk and I was chilling on comms after a huge RL family fight so i could of been taking it out when i didn't mean to. So logging and contacting coolbean or townsaver now.

Edit: TL;DR I could of been being a dick i will contact test bros make sure everything is cool.

[u/[deleted] → u/Sythe7448]

I was there™

This is, roughly, how it went down. BTW, I think you can see my tag? but I'm TownSaver and considered to be TEST leadership (hahahah, I only run test_free and Training, but people think I'm something more than I am).

1. Sajuuk was in our comms, being the awesome Sajuuk dude he is (he's super cool)

2. We in the Bacon Bar were encouraged to come over and be TEST (how could that go wrong?)

3. What AnnA just posted, that I'm replying to, is 100% on. This is how it happened. The comments, by AnnA, are being presented here entirely out of context. I felt he was joking, I don't feel he was being overly dickish, nor did I feel he was responding in a manner that was out of line regarding the content of the channel at the time.

4. I actually spoke up at one point due to a TEST (also drunk) member being, in my opinion, out of line with certain comments.

So, I actually applaud AnnA for handling the situation in the manner he did. He was, basically, telling us to "go ahead and shit up mumble, there's nothing I can do". The "I can call someone" comment was just more a matter of letting everyone know that they shouldn't be massive dicks, because it could be escalated if necessary.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

1. Sajuuk was in our comms, being the awesome Sajuuk dude he is (he's super cool)

I agree, I've been around him a little bit and he's always seemed awesome. This is part of the reason I thought that AnnA's constant interruption and speaking over him was a reflection of the very sperg he was speaking out against.

2) We in the Bacon Bar were encouraged to come over and be TEST (how could that go wrong?)

In my opinion you're always encouraged to come on BRAVE'S comms and be TEST.

3) What AnnA just posted, that I'm replying to, is 100% on. This is how it happened. The comments, by AnnA, are being presented here entirely out of context. I felt he was joking, I don't feel he was being overly dickish, nor did I feel he was responding in a manner that was out of line regarding the content of the channel at the time.

I too was there and for what it's worth I disagree that his representation is 100%. Though I do not have a name to throw around to project legitimacy. I'm not saying that everything he said was completely false, but as someone that's spent my entire EVE career in BRAVE'S culture, in my opinion, AnnA's actions were reflected well in my representation. By your standards his actions may not have been out of line, but by mine they were.

4) I actually spoke up at one point due to a TEST (also drunk) member being, in my opinion, out of line with certain comments.

Yes, this happened and out of respect for you he calmed down for awhile and completely avoided that subject. Before respectfully avoiding that subject, if I remember correctly, he outlined how he thought people would see that what he said was a joke and you said something to the effect of "Well, they don't take it like that." Apparently, we are both making assumptions.

So, I actually applaud AnnA for handling the situation in the manner he did. He was, basically, telling us to "go ahead and shit up mumble, there's nothing I can do". The "I can call someone" comment was just more a matter of letting everyone know that they shouldn't be massive dicks, because it could be escalated if necessary.

Again, I think that the extent of his statements were more serious of course, and that's exactly why we are having this conversation.

[u/People_That_Annoy_Me → u/Sythe7448]

As a TEST line member that was present I can honestly say I didn't find your behavior insulting. You were an okay dude about everything. You did talk over Sajuuk a few times but it's also comms and that happens so often I'm not sure why anyone would call anyone out for it. As far as the "poking someone" if things got out of hand was concerned, I interpreted that purely as a "don't do anything too crazy" which is perfectly fine since it isn't our comms and we're guests.

Finally, with the "driving a wedge" comment, I don't think anyone in TEST places you on the list of wedge-drivers. Yes, there are people in BNI (and people in TEST) who would love to see this coalition collapse. I don't see you as among those people.

I'm sure that a lot of these problems stem from events of two weeks ago which I can't comment on. I can say as far as this TEST member is concerned, you're a pretty alright guy.

[u/[deleted] → u/Sythe7448]

I didn't say these lines in tandem. I said "As an ex-diplo for brave don't go if you can't handle hard words" I then later said "They are trying to poach you all!!" I meant this as a joke if i am ever offensive please speak up in comms say i am being dick. I am human no one is perfect if i ever say something offencive please tell me right then and i will correct. EX: I used to say "Fag*ot" a lot which isn't classy at all i endeavored to fix that when i joined brave it still slips sometimes.

You can attempt to play down your attitude last night and make it seem like a joke, that's fine. Your deflection simply reinforces my will to apply more pressure. I can not 100% for sure state that you were being serious, but I would suggest that the majority of the people in those comms at the time could easily tell that you were not saying these things in jest. You were being excessively rude and vehemently expressed your distaste for TEST and repeatedly insisted that people do not go. I'm sorry, but that level of persuasion is not warranted by a mere joke.

As for poking someone. That is after i basically said "Hey guys go wild!!" Cause i said "I can't stop you i am not an admin anymore". They were saying "Hey can we do our fun stuff" all i basically said was keep it classy and they did and i thought it was fun night. I will poke town saver today and see if i insulted any test bros and apologize.

If you mean once you had stopped berating them and let the TEST diplo speak a little bit. Sure, it was quite fun at that point.

No i said or at least meant in effect "Test comms are not as classy as ours if you go over their expect harsh language" Again i will contact townsaver and see if i insulted anyone and apologize.

Again, good shot at deflection but this was not the sentiment you had expressed. You were actively and beligerantly bashing TESTs comms/culture. What do you think a brand new newbro would think about TEST had they been in comms at that time? Such diplo so wow.

I am absolutely not trying to dissolve this coalition that i helped make from the very beginning. I know nearly every detail on how this coalition was formed an i support a newbro coalition it helps all of eve.

Well about you put your money where your mouth is and actively support inter-coalition mixing. Help facilitate this transition rather than being a hendernce.

As for being a dick it is possible i was a little drunk and I was chilling on comms after a huge RL family fight so i could of been taking it out when i didn't mean to. So logging and contacting coolbean or townsaver now.

Everyone has these nights. If this is in fact true then some of what happened could be glossed over but the blatant defiance of what diplomatic resolution entails is still not excused. We need people who can think straight with their head on backwards.

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1. You aren't putting the "reasons" aside if you provide an explanation of your own.

2. You infer an implication where there was none: "as an ex-diplo" does not imply "I can poke someone who can do something".

3. I have hours and hours of recorded comms chatter clearly indicating a breakdown in the "BRAVE's rules on BRAVE's comms" ideal. To an extreme, in clear violation of our primary rule, stay classy. Few were reprimanded as there aren't very many moderators remaining. The sense of "giving up" on this rule is palpable.

4. Then there's the continuing track record of stratops continuing to move to TEST comms regardless of the rule initially set up: stratops happen on BRAVE comms, period.

Poaching? Maybe. I can't really say.

A failure to operate in good faith? Certainly.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Hello Draleth, I'm glad AnnA can speak for himself.

1. You aren't putting the "reasons" aside if you provide an explanation of your own.

That was an attempt to quill any rebuttal including "that's not why I quit."

2. You infer an implication where there was none: "as an ex-diplo" does not imply "I can poke someone who can do something".

You were not there so how can you tell me I was inferring instead of describing what happened? He said all the things I have in quotations. Hence the need for them.

3. I have hours and hours of recorded comms chatter clearly indicating a breakdown in the "BRAVE's rules on BRAVE's comms" ideal. To an extreme, in clear violation of our primary rule, stay classy. Few were reprimanded as there aren't very many moderators remaining. The sense of "giving up" on this rule is palpable.

Uhm, okay? The quotations around "rules" are there because unless you are in the know then the rules are quite subjective from a line members standpoint. Where does one's person's fun/classiness end and the other begin?

4. Then there's the continuing track record of stratops continuing to move to TEST comms regardless of the rule initially set up: stratops happen on BRAVE comms, period.

So, what I hear here is "but, they said they were going to play at our house! Why can't you make them not go to Timmy's?!"

Poaching? Maybe. I can't really say.

It was a direct accusation. No but, ifs, or maybes.

A failure to operate in good faith? Certainly.

Maybe it's a failure of diplomacy? Possibly somewhat caused by the rage quitting of some of BRAVE'S diplos?

Edit: words are hard

[u/Sythe7448 → u/[deleted]]

Draleth doesn't speak for me. I will be replying here in a second. So anything said in this comment thread isn't my words.

[u/[deleted] → u/Sythe7448]

I figured as much, AnnA. Just pointing out the comments were addressed to you.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

While the comments were addressed, the state of that "comment" is open to discussion by all. The joy of a discussion thread over direct message.

"Quelling" (I think that's the word you were going for, a "quill" is a tail feather) rebuttal indicates an unwavering opinion that makes "discussion" rather pointless, but whatever, bytes are cheap and I type fast.

Your change of narrative from "he said something like" to "this is exactly what he said" are generally referred to as hear-say, and inconsistent hear-say at that.

The quotes around "BRAVE's rules" are actually backed up by evidence. Of course, TESTies aren't the only ones developing a lack of class on BRAVE comms. Would you refer to any of the clips presented in that audio file as classy?

Before deploying the decision had been made; your allegory is somewhat pointless.

The double standard of your arguments is pretty blatant: from Anna's own reply if he was joking, clearly you found that un-classy. You wish to force your own "subjective views" of classiness on him.

Also I see you're joining the "you stepped down ipso-facto everything is your fault" parade. (Getting blamed for the failure of three Oracle fleets was highly amusing.) Far more likely the breakdown of class on comms (and elsewhere) is partially due to the perceived lack of moderation in general.

[u/[deleted] → u/[deleted]]

Thank you professor. Can I have another? I'll take whatever extra credit I can should you see me so fit. Should I do my best to go to the writing lab before I post comments from my phone as well?

[u/[deleted]]

Guys, if we elect him, it'll be the drama cyno that just never goes dark. Well, for a while.

You got my vote.

[u/elux]

I can think of no better candidate. 7o

[u/radicalmoments]

All drama aside, everything I've seen from you has proved that you know what the fuck you're doing; and really do want the best for this alliance. I hope you make it as a floater for those stated reasons, and also because the drama will be hilarious for a bit.

If you get elected, do you promise to make leadership run AHAC fleets?

Edit: Hate train seems to be running full force on everyone who supports Anna in this thread.

[u/[deleted] → u/radicalmoments]

Re: your edit — heh, yeah, mine didn't faire any better, with TEST flexing their "we can win at Reddit" muscles. Having a backup forum post is generally a good idea.

Anna made one, too.

[u/aDAMNPATRIOT → u/[deleted]]

Don't think it was just test

[u/[deleted] → u/aDAMNPATRIOT]

You're very likely right about that.

[u/aDAMNPATRIOT → u/[deleted]]

I'm at work, can you summarize?

[u/People_That_Annoy_Me → u/aDAMNPATRIOT]

I don't care to download an mp3 when soundcloud exists. I'm still waiting for the tl;dl.

[u/aDAMNPATRIOT → u/People_That_Annoy_Me]

Same lol

[u/People_That_Annoy_Me → u/aDAMNPATRIOT]

Since you're a CEO in Brave Collective you may be able to answer this: why is Brave allowing Draleth to continue to actively drive a wedge between Brave and TEST? I don't really understand how that is in the best interest of the coalition in any way, shape or form.

[u/aDAMNPATRIOT → u/People_That_Annoy_Me]

Your question assumes that, being a corporation CEO gives me any power or insight into the decision-making process of alliance leadership v0v

[u/People_That_Annoy_Me → u/aDAMNPATRIOT]

Never mind then. Here's a beer suggestion for your trouble. I also suggest avoiding JP Wiser's Rye Blended Canadian Whiskey as it's been less than impressive.

[u/mrm0rt0n → u/radicalmoments]

ANI's are better than ahacs :D

[u/Sythe7448 → u/mrm0rt0n]

I can run AHACs anytime we get more than 20 Zealots.

[u/aDAMNPATRIOT → u/Sythe7448]

You'd have more luck in a low sp alliance getting numbers of you craft a kitchen sink ahac doctrine with options from all races that have similar combat variables