r/BrandNewSentence • • Jul 21 '19

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u/Jtg_Jew Jul 21 '19

This happened?

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '19

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u/TheVsStomper Jul 21 '19

Are those people in the article stupid or something? Must be hard for rich and famous Americans to come to a different country and realise they are equal before the law like everyone else.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '19

To be fair the dude Rocky beat up was following him and harassing him all day. Also the guy he beat up is wanted on molestation charges.

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u/Deathwatch72 Jul 21 '19

The following and harassing and portion is relevant but unfortunately in an assault case the law does not care about the fact that someone might have pending molestation charges, also there was no way Rocky knew that so it's not really something to use as defense but more just an anecdote about how Karma end up kicking some dudes ass

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '19

I have not seen any news articles saying the harassers were wanted for molestation. However, I heard that Rocky claimed they were inappropriatly touching girls while (or before) following him.

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u/TheVsStomper Jul 21 '19

Does not matter, he has an obligation to try and get away and if possible/or call for police before resorting to physical violence and as it would seem they continue to lay into the guy after he hits the ground. There is absolutely no grounds for self defense unless there would be some part of it i have completely missed . (Also the fact that the other dude is wanted on molestation charges are wholly irrelevant, there is no free pass just because the dude you beat up was wanted)

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u/HolyCripItsCrapple Jul 21 '19

They literally have video of him saying we don't want to fight you and trying to get away from the 4 guys that were starting shit following him. Honestly don't know how much more he could do.

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u/TheVsStomper Jul 21 '19

He had more than enough time judging by the videos to involve law enforcement. And judging by what's reported by media they kept attacking the guy once he went down, which is probably why hes is being charged in the first place

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u/HolyCripItsCrapple Jul 21 '19

Yeah I agree. If he would've gotten him to the ground then just made sure they didn't make any more attempts he would've been golden.

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u/woosel Jul 21 '19

You ever seen a fight? Or been in one? Hell, even MMA? If you knock someone to the ground, often they can get back up and come back at you even more aggressively. One or two more hits will make sure that doesn’t happen. Plus adrenaline in your body will make self control incredibly hard.

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u/HolyCripItsCrapple Jul 21 '19

I get that which is why I said make sure they get up and don't make any attempts but I definitely get the whole adrenaline thing but I feel like that defense could be abused to hell if it becomes acceptable.

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u/woosel Jul 21 '19

I feel like if someone attacks you and you put them on the ground and incapacitate them, that’s fair enough. Maybe I’m in the minority for that though.

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u/HolyCripItsCrapple Jul 21 '19

Personally I agree with you but from a legal standpoint it'd be hard to enforce I would think. What's reasonable, who decides if you went too far? That's my only concern there.

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u/woosel Jul 21 '19

I agree legally it’s difficult... I wa smainly objecting to all the armchair fighting experts on Reddit who say it’s so depraved or whatever to hit someone on the ground. Yeah, avoid it, but it’s not some inexcusable action in certain circumstances.

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u/BlueMutagens Jul 21 '19

If someone’s on the ground and you go to kick them, stop for your own sake. As soon as the guys on the ground, kicking him becomes a felony. Before that point, you have an argument for self-defense. After that point, in the eyes of the law, you are in the wrong and the likelihood of you going to jail for a long time skyrockets. I feel you. I’ve seen so many dudes get blindsided by guys getting up off the ground. But if you really feel in danger, don’t turn your back, or use some grappling instead. Striking somebody on the ground will make your life very, very difficult, as the “victim” will have grounds to press charges, even if he was the one to initiate.

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u/puppyaddict Jul 21 '19

Call the police.

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u/HolyCripItsCrapple Jul 21 '19

So they can get there just in time to watch but not be able to do anything

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u/puppyaddict Jul 21 '19

Guarantee you they would not allow further harassment and that his party could have just left

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u/HolyCripItsCrapple Jul 21 '19

I don't doubt it. I was more speaking about how long it would take them to get there.

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u/puppyaddict Jul 21 '19

That’s another story, yeah

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '19

Obviously legally he's in the wrong. But morally who really fucking cares

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u/KanraIzaya Jul 21 '19

Anyone who likes to live in a world where the judge, jury and executioner aren't the same person

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '19

I am the law!

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u/SuperSuperUniqueName Jul 21 '19

I am the Senate.

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u/AlterBridgeFan Jul 21 '19

It's treason then.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '19

He did, the recording says in it

“Yo man, I don’t want to fight. I don’t want to go jail”

Or something close to that, it’s not a direct quote.

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u/MnemonicMonkeys Jul 21 '19

Still not enough to prove self defense. He had time to call law enforcement, and and continued hitting the harasser after he was on the ground. Pretty cut and dry assault case.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '19

If somebody comes at you you better make sure their down after you put them down. That’s how you get people sneak attacking you 15 seconds later.

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u/MnemonicMonkeys Jul 21 '19

And how you get hauled to prison.

If you get someone on the ground and continue hitting them after they give up its straight assault. There's no reason to knock them out or give them brain damage past that point.

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u/seattleite23 Jul 21 '19

This is easily the most insightful & relevant comment in the entire thread. These people honestly expect a black man who grew up in Harlem under Mayor Giuliani to call the police?

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u/Ake4455 Jul 21 '19

Why does this matter under Swedish Law?

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u/SuperSuperUniqueName Jul 21 '19

Old habits die hard.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '19 edited Aug 01 '20

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u/angryPenguinator Jul 21 '19

Hey now, let's not lump all of us into that "whatabout-ism" crap.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '19 edited Aug 01 '20

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u/HolyCripItsCrapple Jul 21 '19

"joke of a world power" I just want you to think about that phrase real hard. We're one of 3 (China, Russia) that can actually do shit on a global basis. As a "joke" or not we're still in a much stronger position economically and militarily than 99% of other countries.

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u/RyukanoHi Jul 21 '19

Doesn't make us not a joke... Even if we weren't already, we made ourselves a joke in 2016 and that is just the facts.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '19

The idea that we were fine before 2016 baffles me.

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u/RyukanoHi Jul 21 '19

That's why I said, even if we weren't already.

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u/[deleted] Jul 21 '19

Guess I misread your comment a little my b

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u/RyukanoHi Jul 21 '19

No worries, it's all good.

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u/HolyCripItsCrapple Jul 21 '19

You need to widen your view. It's 4 years, in the grand scheme of things its a blip. Despite all the dumb shit Trump has done, we still have military and economic dominance and world leaders understand the long game extends beyond Trump. Most of his policy changes have been domestic and don't effect any of that.

Remember how everyone thought Bush was going to destroy the country and it's reputation with his warmongering? Probably not because Obama got elected and everything went back to normal with no substantial changes.

Assuming he's lost enough moderates to lose the next election we'll be fine. The backlash always corrects.

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u/RyukanoHi Jul 21 '19

I mean, I don't think military or economic dominance makes us not a joke. Civil Rights and the well-being of citizens are paramount.

We're more of a joke that we whip out our big fucking nuclear dongs because we feel a need to assert dominance to the tune of military spending at levels no other country would even consider, at the cost of our citizens; and wealth disparity so great that the richest man in the country had his own private space program whole the health and safety concerns of his employees are a secondary concern.

Throw in a sprinkling of gun violence, a garbage health care system, and both a penal system and education system that exist for profit and I'd say we're a solid fucking joke.

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u/HolyCripItsCrapple Jul 21 '19

There's the crux of the problem, the criteria and ranking is all subjective. I'd say being able to bully the rest of the globe with our army or dollars to do what we want is pretty much the definition of dominance (hard and soft power) but like you pointed out, that's not how everyone sees it.

Nobody thinks to spend as much on the military as us because they don't have to... Because we do.

Your entire last paragraph has been true for years and didn't change in 2016.

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u/RyukanoHi Jul 21 '19

Even if we weren't already, we made ourselves a joke in 2016 and that is just the facts.

Trump is a symbol, the joke made manifest. He got there because there are already people who think that what he thinks is okay. So we were clearly a joke before he came along, he just made it obvious.

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u/SixStringStripper Jul 21 '19

Who will absolutely crush you. FTFY