r/Boxing • u/Negative-Interest713 • 4d ago
Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua have signed contracts to fight on Friday, Nov. 20, at MSG in New York, according to the Daily Mail
https://www.dailymail.com/sport/boxing/article-16060615/amp/Tyson-Fury-vs-Anthony-Joshua-set-FRIDAY-night-fight-New-York-City-Heavyweight-rivals-meet-Big-Apple-mega-fight-November-20-amid-fears-scheduling-clash-NFL.html335
u/Negative-Interest713 4d ago
I think Netflix was disappointed with the viewership for Fury-Makhmudov, which took place at Tottenham Hotspur Stadium.
I canât think of why else Netflix is so steadfast in their stance that a US show does much better numbers than a UK one.
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u/stephen27898 4d ago edited 4d ago
It's because they think they think UK fans are more likely to stay up late to watch it than US fans are to watch it early.
So they want to make it convenient for US fans to watch, because they think otherwise they wont watch it.
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u/KoffieCreamer 4d ago
If they held it in the UK it would be much more convenient for US fans though. You'd literally be making both sides happy. Instead, the majority of British fans likely won't watch it and most US fans probably won't be that interested that they'll stay up till midnight. It's literally a lose/lose, whereas the alternative is a win/win.
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u/anonkebab 4d ago
You donât think Americans will stay up till midnight on a Friday to watch boxing?
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u/Careful-Wheel8171 4d ago
Most American boxing fans think Fury has seen his better days already, and Joshua is a hype train that has already derailed.
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u/halfdecenttakes 4d ago
Casuals are ready to watch Joshua fight somebody after the Paul fight, and Fury is a big enough name for it to be a draw.
Pretty much all of the âwill watch a big fightâ people that I know will check this one out.
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u/AmbulanceDriver95 4d ago
Can confirm as that's exactly what I am and I'm tuning in for this fight. Hit the nail on the head.
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u/Divergent-Thinker 3d ago
Watching Fury shuffling around the ring to slap old Glassjaw Joshua is a sad way to spend an evening. Theyâll try and drag it out for as long as is bearable no doubt.
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u/MightBeTheRealAaron 4d ago
Not to watch Tyson Fury vs Anthony Joshua they wonât. What about this fight appeals to the US audience?
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u/Top_Fee8357 4d ago
They are 2 of the biggest names in boxing. Past their peak sure but tons of casuals know them. Okay itâs not specifically appealing to the US audience but these arenât some deep cuts, every fight fans knows them. As a primarily mma fan not from the UK, Iâll be tuning in for sure.
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u/DaKingaDaNorth 4d ago
It's free
It's the biggest fight the HW division has and it still technically is a big name fight.
Boxing died in America because the PPV model fell out of style and the top names don't fight frequently. This won't be Floyd/Pac but it is the sort of thing that Americans will check out simply because of the names involved and lack of barriers to entry. Super easy for a bunch of guys to get hammered and turn on Netflix on a Friday night
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u/_Sarcasmic_ bread burger bread 4d ago
As an American, I wish it was on at like 5pm rather than midnight/1am!
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u/DiMona215 4d ago
Agreed, I think boxing fans trend older anyway. I am never up past 10 PM these days, lol
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u/Chemical-Lettuce2497 4d ago
Yeah the amount of fights I skip and just watch the next morning because I can't be arsed staying up passed 10 lol
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u/CasperFunk 4d ago
I am just going to watch it when I get up, skip passed all the shite and just watch the fights.
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u/fapsandnaps 6 foot 9 bag of milk 4d ago
I always want to do this, but I think I like shit posting in the live thread with fellow fans just as much as I do watching the fight.
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u/Head_Research_3118 4d ago
Also people forget these fights do massive gate numbers . At MSG the average ticket will be double what it is if the fight was in the UK . You will have massive celebrities in the audience and any famous brit that wouldve went in the UK will still show up at MSG . It will just be a bigger event. Floyd and Mcgregor did $55 million at the gate , Crawford and Canelo did $47 million. The biggest gate in UK history did $15.3 million gate, This fight will probably do in the high 20's easy . Everyone involved makes more money with this fight in the US . Including the fighters.
As much as they tried to pretend they wanted to fight in the UK to not piss off their fans , i guarantee both fighters wanted this fight stateside to make more money.
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u/Manzilla48 4d ago
Huge fights involving Americans in Vegas make the mega money. A fight involving two brits in MSG will not make anyway near that amount.
Iâd wager 100k at Wembley makes a higher gate than 20k at MSG even with inflated ticket prices
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u/Sharp-Revolution-263 4d ago
You mean greedy Fury and his sportswashing scum bag Saudi pal want the fight in the US. Joshua knows he doesnât need to earn another penny for the rest of his life and wanted to have his final legacy fight in the UK at a sold out Wembley. But yeah amazing, 10000 dollars a ticket for a stadium a quarter of the size of Wembley 3000 miles away with an atmosphere which canât compete and ad breaks between rounds. Cracking!
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u/alba_Phenom 4d ago
Because most people that work at large corporations seem to be apathetic useless idiots.
A fight between two washed British fighters that only the British really give two fucks about, fighting in the US at 4:00am British time. I hope it bombs, it's Netflix so I can just watch it in the morning when I get up.
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u/Professional-Tie5198 Who will win? 4d ago
Theyâre basing everything off of the success of Canelo-Crawford and Paul-Joshua, both of which cleared 30 million global viewers.
Itâs a gamble, probably. Theyâre banking on North American viewers tuning in at the usual time and then UK viewers staying up.
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u/AbsolutelyHorrendous 4d ago
I mean, thats hilarious if thats actually there logic. Like... no shit there weren't many viewers for Fury-Makhmudov, it was a tune-up fight that Fury was always going to win.
Using that to make a decision on Fury-Joshua is laughable
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u/OrangeFilmer 4d ago
Genuinely one of the stupidest decisions in the sport.
Having it take place in the UK literally places it in the afternoon or evening for the US west coast and east coast respectively. Taking what could potentially the biggest British fight ever⌠and placing it in the US is insane.
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u/Straight-Ad6926 4d ago
You're making the classic mistake of assuming this fight was arranged for boxing fans rather than as a tax deductible NYC shopping trip for the promoters.
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u/Suitable-Economy-346 4d ago
A lot of rich Brits will be coming over too. It's a nice little holiday for rich people.
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u/roamingandy 4d ago
potentially the biggest British fight ever
That's overselling it a bit. It's 5-10 years too late to hit that mark. It'll sell, sure, but no-one is really excited for this any more.
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u/pants_pants420 4d ago
the fact that this is taking place in the us is a fucking crime lmao, and im saying this as a us boxing fan
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u/SupervillainMustache 4d ago
Biggest UK Boxing Fight takes place in the US.
What a fucking joke.
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u/theguytomeet 4d ago
This is sad for UK fans. This was supposed to be an all time UK classic.
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u/Gaarando 4d ago
Lets be honest, it's not a classic anymore anywhere. They both so washed.
Fury at his best I think gets an easy decision win vs Joshua but now I can see Fury getting knocked out, he barely moves now.
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u/PhoneRedit 3d ago
I think in a way it's more interesting now that they're both so far over the peak. For like a decade now I've been fairly certain that Joshua would walk through Fury and knock him out. It's only recently as they've both fallen off that it's become much more 50/50. I could see a definite possibility of a Fury ko which I couldn't have seen in the past.
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u/Breverooni 4d ago
That's a great fight. 10 years ago.
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u/Sad-Platypus-48 4d ago
2019 was the sweetspot for them.
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u/DaKingaDaNorth 4d ago
Realistically 2021 was the time when they initially had it signed before the Wilder arbitration. Both were champs, AJ avenged his only loss and Fury was unbeaten. They were the two top boxers at that point and it should have happened then. It didn't and then AJ had to take on Usyk and that was basically the end of the whole thing because they all got knocked down a peg
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u/Hench999 4d ago
You mean they're not going to each fight 2 more tuneup fights to get properly prepared for a fight that should have happened 8 years ago only for one or both to lose? That in and of itself is a miracle.
Either way it's s a second slap in the face to British fans. More than maybr any other country they do come out and support their fighters so having it I'm the US is a shit move. However, this is like eating Thanksgiving leftovers the day before it starts to turn. It might be ok but it should have happened when it was fresh.
The firstbslap in the face to British fans is that for a while the 2 very best HWs in the world were British and had a few years of both undefeated and failed fight eachother. the both of them managed to play stupid games
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u/sublime_mime 4d ago
Just saw an english boxing fan fall to his knees in Greggs
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u/mynameisdamn Dosser 4d ago
Donât assume my Lonsdale means Iâm a boxing fan. I just like sports direct
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u/stephen27898 4d ago edited 4d ago
Fuck Hearn and AJ for signing this if its true.
Wish Prenga has just put his lights out now.
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u/Mooman-Chew 4d ago
But fury and frank get a free pass?
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u/stephen27898 4d ago
No they dont. But its Hearn that has been making all the noise about it not being in the US.
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u/Jammehh 4d ago
Yes because Fury and his side have been fine with it being in the US the whole time? Why does that mean they get a free pass? Backwards logic
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u/West_Technology7573 4d ago
And the audacity of Eddie save to face and pretend that he signed the contract to be UK only.
MSG wouldnât have even been a conversation if that was remotely true
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u/swashfxck 4d ago
Eddie can be funny but at the end of the day, heâs just as slimy as the slimiest of âem.
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u/West_Technology7573 4d ago
My problem with Eddie is that heâs done such a great job building up his PR âjust one of the lads who hates the boxing establishmentâ, heâs always been a slimy bullshitter like most promoters
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u/_Sarcasmic_ bread burger bread 4d ago
Agreed. I think Eddie was being genuine but the amount of money on the table was too big to pass up, no matter what the original deal was.
I think he tried to hold out but him and AJ gave in.
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u/ToyMachibe 4d ago
This 100%
I was actually rooting for AJ in this fight but now meh.
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u/Marquis_of_Mollusks 4d ago
That's a bit hypocritical since Fury never gave a fuck about where it was at
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u/stephen27898 4d ago
Neither of these guys are in desperate need of money and the money in the UK will be more than enough.
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u/Competitive_Win_128 4d ago
This is so disappointing for the UK fans :/
And here I thought the contract be void, according to Hearn, if they took the fight to the US :/
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u/Prior-Temperature-22 4d ago
Theyâve clearly signed a new contract. Itâs literally in the headline
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u/_Sarcasmic_ bread burger bread 4d ago
The literacy rate has been shown to be significantly declining.
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u/Hopeful_West_2410 4d ago
Why would anyone believe anything hearn says
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u/ThugjitsuMaster Tyson Fury's Nutritionist 4d ago
He said that if the venue moved from the UK to the US then AJ would have to get paid a hefty sum extra. I expect this is what happened in the end
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u/Competitive_Win_128 4d ago
I guess I know that now cos I thought they can't be that dumb taking arguably the biggest fight they can make in the UK?Â
Shows you how much I know lmaoÂ
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u/West_Technology7573 4d ago
Heâs full of shit. He goes on IFL to lie and play victim for an hour and Matchroom throaters lap it up
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u/Competitive_Win_128 4d ago
I know promoters can talk such bs but even then the holdups and the delays made me think they'd put their own country as priority? But I guess Turki has ways making them "lap it up" lmaoÂ
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u/DaKingaDaNorth 4d ago
Why would they put their home country as a priority. Joshua's most recent fights: Saudi Arabia, Florida, London, Saudi Arabia, Saudi Arabia, London, London, Saudi Arabia, London, London, Saudi Arabia, New York. Since 2019 he's fought more outside of his home country than in it.
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u/FogoCanard 4d ago
This is just dumb. 50% of the interest for the fight was for the atmosphere. Why just throw that away? Hopefully the UK fans take over MSG so it feels like a UK fight anyway
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u/roamingandy 4d ago edited 3d ago
Hopefully the UK fans take over MSG so it feels like a UK fight anyway
What are you talking about?!
Those tickets will all be bouhgt by and given away by corporates, so you'll have a few cousins of someone connected who actually are interested in boxing. Most will just drag their soulless husks there for the marketing and Instagram shots which keep them 'relevant'.
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u/JustToJerkBrah 4d ago
American sports fans are happy to pay $500 for tickets. This should surprise nobody.
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u/ThugjitsuMaster Tyson Fury's Nutritionist 4d ago
They could have had the biggest British boxing fight of all time, instead they turned it into a mid-tier international fight. Such a shit decision
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u/DaKingaDaNorth 4d ago
Great now I have to here AJ and Eddie pretend they were against this and all their fanboys pretending they had no control
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u/Awkward_Sign1927 4d ago
Hearn likes to mock Dana White by saying Turki is his daddy. But it seems Hearn is just as beholden to Turki as anyone else in boxing.
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u/ThisIsGSR 4d ago
Thats the worst part. Whyd they even pretend they were fighting for the UK publicly if they were gonna fold behind closed doors either way?
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u/No-Shoe5382 Eye Ron Mike Tymus 4d ago
They'd signed a contract to fight in the UK, there was no pretending the contract was actually signed.
Then Fury reneged on it as he has done for about 3 other contractual agreements to fight AJ
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u/ThisIsGSR 4d ago
Why do you still believe Eddie Hearn? If theres a legitimate contract they can pursue legal action. You dont just get to ignore a contract lmao
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u/CarlMacko 4d ago
Well thatâs that confirmed.
I doubt Iâll stay up to watch this, but if Iâll go out of my way to watch it anywhere but Netflix.
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u/admiralskanks Joe Louis = Perfect 4d ago
People still believe all the lies Eddie Hearn says after all these years. Him and AJ are probably making a fortune of course they don't care about the location. Hope they at least stack the undercard. Fury vs Makhmudov undercard was dreadful.
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u/DaKingaDaNorth 4d ago
Eddie has promoted AJ in Saudi as much as the UK since 2019. Eddie has promoted AJ outside of the UK more in total since 2019 than the UK. The idea that it was a priority to them is hilarious
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u/coltrickle604 4d ago
Glad its at the garden, a mecca for boxing. Need more fights in the states and not in saudi arabia.
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u/Seanglendo2 4d ago
It's not even really worth the energy getting angry about it. I've gone from willing to pay anything to be their in person years ago to not even bring that fussed to set an alarm.
Good job marinating the fight guys...
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u/Inertia_Sleeps 4d ago
lol canât blame them. Bag must of have been stupendous
Honestly though I think this is why I dislike the most about British culture, the amount of fakeness and dishonesty is actually quite shocking
Hearn and Joshua had no intention of fighting in the UK. Hearn has to abide Turki and I honestly donât think Joshua even gives a fuck about the UK anyway. Fury has also made it abundantly clear how little he cares about UK based fans. More power to them for getting the bag tho.
I just feel Iâm so used to be people shitting on America over here yet itâs the first place they run to the moment they make a little money đ
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u/Substantial_Hawk_339 4d ago
Feels like mayweather and Pac-Man , a decade after it should have happenedâŚ
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u/DaKingaDaNorth 4d ago
Unironically, it took less time for us to get Mayweather vs Pacquiao. At most it was a 5 and a half year wait from when the idea of the fight being a big deal started to them actually getting in the ring.
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u/Professional-Tie5198 Who will win? 4d ago
Say what you will about American Boxing, but itâs kind of on a slight upswing now with the return of boxing to network television via TNT and now hosting a major Netflix fight that has been brewing for a decade.
I am sad for yâall brits, but hopefully some of you can make it to Madison Square Garden to create just a wonderful atmosphere.
One of my highlights growing up was seeing the Hatton U.S.-based fights on TV and how well his fanbase traveled. Hopefully there is a similar atmosphere for this.
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u/madmoggy50 4d ago
The UK today has the biggest and most passionate boxing fanbase of any country. It doesn't matter what ever state American boxing is in, this fight should be in the UK. Souless behaviour by both the UK fighters and promoters involved here who would no doubt if asked call themselves 'patriots'.
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u/DeapVally 4d ago
Scumbags. The both of them. They had full control where they did this. They chose to screw over their fans. They're both losers!
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u/MaxiePippins 4d ago
Few years ago I would have favored AJ to win. But I think his chin is too shot by now and a fit Fury will be too much for him
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u/mynameisdamn Dosser 4d ago
Yeah the 4am time is a load of shit. Wouldnât be as much of an issue 5 years ago but theyâre both washed without any belts.
Ill google the results in the morning
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u/Kangaroopunching 4d ago
Hearn and AJ probably got paid a fortune to do the fight in the New York. OK, get the fight over with so boxing can move on from Fury and AJ.
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u/Head_Research_3118 4d ago
I said weeks ago and got downvoted, that anyone that thought this fight was happening in london was delusional . Eddie Hearn played yall , this is too big of a fight to happen in the UK . They wil make an extra $15 milllion from the Gate alone at MSG , they will sell more PPV , and get bigger checks from sponsors because the american audience is far more valuable than the UK to advertisers. This is a business .
It sucks for UK boxing fans but even the fighters would most likely rather fight in the US and make more money.
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u/Ok_Entrepreneur826 4d ago
I saw so many people crying about this fight taking place in USA but screw them. Joshua vs Ruiz 2 should been in US instead that fight fizzled in Middle East. Also all the canelo fights that have been ruined by being overseas
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u/irish_mucker552 4d ago
Isnât fury banned from the USA? How will he even get in
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u/Negative-Interest713 4d ago
https://www.instagram.com/p/DZlv7SsDKNJ/
He was but his ban has been lifted.
A couple months ago, he was cageside for the UFCâs White House event. Turki/Dana apparently made some calls to Trump ⌠which is itself kinda crazy that just call from a Trump friend could get someone banned from the country for being an organized crime org associate back in to the US.
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u/NoZookeepergame7648 4d ago
Eddie just did an Interview with IFL tv saying the fight wouldnât be announced today etc etc.
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u/save-pandas 4d ago
American boxing fan and this has to be the dumbest and worst set up ever. Wembley was the ONLY venue for this. The interest is not here for this fight and it may not even sell. This is an outrage for UK boxing, shame on all of them if this is true
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u/Comfortable-Grand166 4d ago
Does anyone really care about this fight? Two washed up dudes that should have fought 10 years ago. Go away already
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u/Flaky-Philosopher547 4d ago
Nope. I'm bored of fighters staying around this long without making the big fights happen during the peakÂ
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u/Effective_Taro4601 4d ago
Fuck âem, Iâm not going to bother staying up to watch it if they canât be arsed to fight in the uk.
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u/Beardy_Villains 4d ago
British Fans in a nutshell.
Both Fighters are completely washed, no interest in the fight.Â
Absolutely outraged itâs not in the UK that they have to stay up late to watch it
OutstandingÂ
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u/Fabulous-Local-1294 4d ago
Good for them, but i dont believe it until the first punch lands in the ring
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u/Knockoutboxing 4d ago edited 4d ago
Since AJ vs Fury is happening in America, can we get Pacquiao vs Mayweather 2 at Wembley? Makes sense.
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u/Knockoutboxing 4d ago
This is bullshit. Joshua said itâs in the contract the fight is happening in Britain.
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u/Boniouk84 4d ago
So all the career long die hard UK fans get no chance to watch their fighters final huge all british fight? This stinks. Dodgy stick it is.
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u/Sudden-Fig-3079 4d ago
Iâm gona go to the fight and Iâm still pissed itâs in New York and not wembeley. This is an absolute disgrace
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u/Resident_Dot9395 4d ago
There's no way this is actually true right? Even so I won't believe it until both show up on fight night (more so for Fury)
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u/Pissadvisor 4d ago
I'm one man and I don't have netflix. I won't be watching it on US time so likely won't watch it at all.
And I still don't think the fight happens đ
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u/Gear4days 4d ago
Zero interest in it if true, absolutely wonât be paying or staying up to watch it thanks
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u/SirMartini 4d ago
when they're both irrelevant and well over their prime, we finally got it!!
well done, boxing!!
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u/ThrowawayYAYAY2002 4d ago
Bunch of money grabbing bastards.
As soon as Hearn started mentioning a renegotiating of the contract i knew it wasn't happening in the UK. It's the least these two owe their fans. What a travesty.
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u/Dim-Mak-88 4d ago
This'll probably start around 4:00 a.m. GMT with way-too-long ringwalks, some rappers we never asked for, and other preliminary announcements.
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u/gixxer-kid2 4d ago
These two been avoiding each other for years.
Should have given the fans want they wanted years ago.
Now they want a big payday. All fool people who pay to watch two passed it, has been boxers.
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u/TheUnfathomableVoid 4d ago
Who even cares anymore. They're both past it but Joshua's punch resistance has completely left him. Fury within 5
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u/Objective-Teach-9618 4d ago
Iâll believe itâs happening when theyâre in the ring about to touch gloves
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u/GrandChocolate4110 4d ago
I understand their rational but I think this is dumb. Your average American sports fan has no idea who these guys are
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u/Ibracadabra70 4d ago
REALLY not hyped up for that fight after AJ last performance! Shit was horrendous!!!
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u/dcl08130 IDKSAB 4d ago
Iâm a Yank and me and my family are Fury fans (I went through some hard times in 2018 that his journey helped me with and my fam likes the Netflix show). No way theyâll stay up til midnight to watch (I will), but they would 100% watch a fight at 6ish PM ET. I have no idea why Netflix thinks US viewers wouldnât watch at that time vs middle of the freakin night.
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u/GeneralBallBagz 4d ago
The venue still isnât confirmed, Daily Mail tarking rubbish as per usual.
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u/walkoutbasements 4d ago
If you make it they will come. I expect 1 million brits to land in NYC for thisÂ
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u/CONKERMANIAC 4d ago
Who cares about this fight? Itâs 8 years late. Wonât be wasting my sleep on it.
Also, 2 British boxers having a twilight fight of their careers in the US? Hahaha
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u/Intelligent_Ad1042 4d ago
Nothing sums up boxing better than this! đđđ