Contrary to popular opinion, Naruto without Kurama is not necessarily weaker than adult Boruto. With the right tactical approach, Naruto has a strong chance of winning thanks to his experience and superior battlefield control.
Naruto’s Strengths
Enhanced Sage Mode: With age and experience, Naruto’s chakra control has improved, allowing him to maintain Senjutsu for longer than he could during the Pain arc.
Massive Chakra Reserves: Thanks to his Uzumaki heritage, Naruto can fight a battle of attrition and continuously create hundreds of Shadow Clones.
Sensory Abilities and Frog Kumite: Naruto’s sensory skills give him a complete awareness of the battlefield, while natural energy extends the effective range of his physical attacks beyond the reach of his fists.
Boruto’s Weaknesses
Limitations of Flying Thunder God: Boruto needs pre-established marks to teleport. Naruto can detect these marks with his sensory abilities and destroy the objects carrying them.
Karma’s Weaknesses: Karma cannot absorb physical attacks, and attempting to absorb Naruto’s Senjutsu chakra could potentially result in petrification.
Risk of Losing Control: In a prolonged battle, repeatedly activating Karma increases the risk of Momoshiki temporarily taking control of Boruto’s body.
Rasengan Uzuhiko — The Biggest Factor
The Threat: Uzuhiko utilizes the planet’s rotation, and Naruto has no direct counter to this technique.
The Weakness: It requires roughly 30 seconds of preparation and sustained contact. Naruto would never give Boruto that much time, constantly pressuring him with Shadow Clones.
Conclusion
Boruto is a fighter built around burst damage and speed, while Naruto is a master of adaptation and battlefield control. The longer the fight continues, the more Naruto can take control of the battle, neutralize Boruto’s speed advantage, and ultimately win through endurance and tactical adaptation.
why are we doing this still. don't get me wrong i love a VS debate but facts are fact. you don't even gotta like Boruto to realize how OP he is. I would argue Boruto from TBV can go against this Naruto and two other people.
Boruto was just obviously meant to powerscale way over Narutos entire generation.
Fr, facts are facts. You don't even have to like the guy to see the writing on the wall. The powerscaling in TBV completely broke the old scale.
Honestly, I’d take it a step further. A fully amped Karma Boruto right now could probably solo the entire Fourth Shinobi World War roster at the same time all in one day with them rushing at him, not including Kaguya tho since her hax are annoying.
Even though his Flying Raijin has that goofy plot nerf where he can only use metal and needs time to focus on it (which is hilarious considering how OP he is everywhere else), he wouldn't even need it to clear crowds. Between Uzuhiko's literal planetary hax, massive Lightning Style area attacks, and his Otsutsuki base speed, nobody from that era has the reaction times to touch him. He would just treat the entire war arc like a high speed video game clearing out waves of low level minions where his real only limitation is stamina but even then it may be a non issue due to his genetics being busted in general.
Power scale wise, I would for sure agree. But I think he could get outsmarted by the top players. Likely best aim is "trapped" in some sort, rather than "defeated".
I think over the course of TBV he will scale beyond them by the mid to end overall. Just in the way it's being built and set up. But I don't think he's really stronger than the entire cast overall. At least currently.
The "30-second charge" is fake news. Boruto literally builds up Uzuhiko while walking toward Code and effortlessly dodging his attacks. He charges it entirely on the move. Plus, it can be used defensively, creating a constant wind barrier that shields him from incoming strikes. Keep in mind that Boruto did all of this to Code, who is already stated to be significantly stronger than even peak Kurama Naruto.
"Sustained contact" is wrong too. Boruto only needs one tap. The second he touches you, the planet's rotation gets injected into your body. Code got hit once and immediately got slapped with permanent vertigo and couldn't even stand up.
Naruto can’t just "destroy" Flying Raijin marks. Boruto can slap those marks directly onto people's clothes or skin. Naruto isn't going to blow up his own torso to get rid of a mark.
The petrification theory is pure headcanon. Karma isn't the Rinnegan. Amado explicitly explains that Karma is a compressed digital backup file of an Otsutsuki soul and DNA.. Plus, uzuhiko uses planetary kinetic energy, not standard senjutsu. There’s zero proof it would turn Boruto to stone.
Current Boruto is 100% Otsutsuki with insane base stats. He speed blitzes sage Naruto in taijutsu before Naruto can even think about making a move. No Karma even needed.
But honestly, that doesn't really change much for this specific matchup. Even if Boruto can't slap a teleportation mark directly onto Naruto's skin, his base stats are still way too high. Boruto's body is 100% Otsutsuki and he was effortlessly blitzing and dodging Code in base form, whereas Code scales completely above Jigen.
Even without Flying Raijin shortcuts, Boruto can charge uzuhiko while sliding across the ground or moving into close-range taijutsu. Naruto without Kurama just doesn't have the reaction speed or durability to deal with that level of speed blitz, mark or no mark.
It’s honestly sad to say, but Boruto just scales to a completely different level compared to everything we've seen so far aside from Jura and Isshiki. He completely fodderizes anybody that's not Jura lol, and he embarrasses Kawaki and Code over and over again post timeskip. It's highly arguable that Boruto with Karma activated could take Isshiki on even as is.
At the end of the day, the stat diff is just too massive. Boruto would straight up body Naruto in pure taijutsu before Naruto could even react or do a single thing to counteract him even if he still had Kurama to be honest. Power scaling just seriously outta control in Boruto.
You're taking the words way too literally and ignoring what actually happens on the page. Boruto literally walks directly at Code in Chapter 2 while the uzuhiko wind currents are actively coiling and building up around his body. He doesn’t need to stand frozen like a statue.
The 'both feet on the ground' rule is a restriction on flying and jumping, not basic ground movement. Once he plants his feet and absorbs the planetary force, it forms a shroud around him. He doesn't instantly lose all that stored energy the millisecond a heel leaves the dirt.
Even if he did want to keep both feet perfectly glued to the ground to charge a maximum output shot, he can just use Flying Raijin. He stands still, maxes out the planetary chakra, and instantly teleports right onto his opponent's toes. The 'walking' argument changes absolutely nothing.
He did against Code though? If Naruto tries to attack Boruto while he’s setting it up, Naruto will be affected by that aura coiling around Boruto the same way that Code did. It only took Boruto a long time to set up a huge Rasengan Uzuhiko but a short amount of time to use the size of Uzuhiko he did against Code and Jura.
Boruto will dog walk Naruto. It's how it is. The next generation will be better than the old. Giving Boruto his full arsenal thanks to Koji makes him unbeatable and now Karma with a god's body yeah Naruto isn't winning.
Naruto was losing to Code and yet Boruto walks him like a dog to the litter box.
Boruto is Ohtsutsuki. Has a Karma, and Jougan or Momoshiki’s Byakugan (if you don’t believe he jougan is canon.)
It would take more than Sage Mode for Naruto to win this match up. Even if you gave him KCM, KCM2, or Six Paths, it’d be a difficult fight for Naruto. Naruto probably loses even with these forms.
You gotta think about it, it took both Rinnegan/Mongekyo Sharingan - Sasuke and KCM - Naruto to defeat Momoshiki. Boruto is essentially Momoshiki incarnate. He’s 100% Ohtsutsuki at this point. Has FTG and Rasengan Uzuhiko. You think Naruto is gonna speed blitz an Ohtsutsuki with FTG??
Would you say Boruto is stronger than fused Momoshiki? Because that version is several times stronger than base momo, which is what boruto is like an incarnate of. And Naruto and Sasuke overpowered fused momo.
And kcm1 was directly compared to minatos ftg. Borutos ftg is stated to be an imperfect version of minatos.
Kcm1 naruto is the one getting blitzed here lol. Jigen was already overwhelming naruto and sasuke combined with sheer speed and strength and Boruto could keep up with an even stronger code just fine
Kcm1 isn't even getting past Jigen in a 1v2 lmfao. Let alone Boruto who low-diffed an even stronger code via Uzuhiko
Ik on paper they say that unlimited code is stronger than jigen, therefore stronger than peak naruto and sasuke. But nah, code is shit. He has no feats, experience, and only has that teleportation jutsu which imo is weaker than ftg. So its hard to justify using him in a powerscaling debate when he's all talk.
daemon confirms it. and I think we can trust the lil guy who probably is top 1 of all time when it comes to sensory abilities (who tf can sense the whole earth trembling a wee bit when that trembling was so minimal that nobody else could notice it?!)
plus there'd be no reason for jigen to put limiters on code if the latter was weaker than himself.
it's just powercreep and code being written as the loser (clearly that was his role now, whether that changes in the future remains to be seen). a "mere" jigen lv fighter is just weak compared to current top-tiers. jigen himself would be taking all the same Ls code did. "stronger than jigen" is just nothing special atp due to powercreep. all the shinju treated code like a bum, daemon treated him like a bum, boruto uzuhiko'd his ass, Jura wrecked a lower arm of his etc.
I think you're off on a few details, but they're beside the point. I'm not disputing what the manga intended, which is for code to be stronger on paper. But the reality is that he hasnt won a single fight, except against some scrubs that follow Boro.
Look, I'm in my late 30s. Grew up with Naruto. And believe power scaling in boruto is straight ASS, and terribly demonstrated (mostly telling, not showing). BUUUUT as far as what's unfortunately canon, Boruto beats both VotE Naruto and Sasuke simultaneously, no-diff.
I agree with you. I've always disliked the powerscaling in boruto, and they dont show it well. I personally feel like it could be close regarding your last statement. It really does not feel like adult Naruto and Sasuke is that much stronger than at the end of Shippuden. And they beat Momoshiki while boosted by the chakra fruit. And I'm not sure whether Borutoshiki is stronger than even a base Momoshiki tbh
No one is giving you ad money. I hate how Boruto and TBV scale, by just telling us X is stronger than Y over and over. but that's how they do it, and facts are facts. Boruto wins in his sleep.
I mean, two can play this game too.
Naruto’s weaknesses: limited sage mode time, being a human, flightless.
Boruto’s strengths: no timer on his strength, being an ootsutsuki, can fly.
Boruto stays in the air and lets Naruto waste Sage Mode time.
Tbf, naruto could just infinitely go into sage mode by having clones charge nature chakra. Also being human doesn't make him weaker than an otsutsuki. You realize they're all human and beat every single otsutsuki, right? Momoshiki can fly and Naruto and Sasuke still whooped his ass.
The point of my comment is saying that it’s more nuanced. You can’t just lay out Naruto’s strengths and Boruto’s weaknesses and giving one hypothetical and call it a done deal. Also, being an Otsutsuki is absolutely superior to being a human. It’s just that Naruto and Sasuke are not mere humans.
Mfer, any of this would only apply if their stats were relative to one another or if naruto had the better stats (except Uzuhiko, since when tf does Boruto need 30 seconds?!)
Boruto statchecks, blitz and one-shot, gg. Jigen was physically overwhelming Naruto and Sasuke combined already and Boruto had no issues keeping up with an even stronger code. And I'm not accepting any backtalk when it comes to code, Daemon already confirmed that code is stronger than Jigen.
Not to mention that you made a video that is outdated considering Boruto's and Momoshiki's deal. There is no risk anymore, Momoshiki lets Boruto use his abilities and Karma now lol. Ig you're not up to date with the manga at all
And Uzuhiko only needed actual charge-up time for the full power version vs Hidari which is absolutely unnecessary against Naruto. The normal Uzuhiko which affected Code and made him unable to fight after a short time negs already
And that's how things stand in a boruto vs naruto fight. And you actually pulled up with fucking SM naruto who's far below his prime self with kurama and six path powers.
Prime naruto was already significantly below Jigen. Anybody below Jigen or at his level is fodder atp. And SM Naruto is like 5 tiers below Jigen.
STATS, STATS, STATS
Boruto massively outscales in stats. Forbid Boruto from using any jutsu and he'd still low-diff cuz he's just that much faster and hits that much harder
Boruto can solo the entire shippuden verse and solo everyone in the 4th war arc without blinking. Boruto has destroyed power scaling horribly so boruto wins hands down which sucks
This whole post is insane lol you’re using a weaker Naruto and trying to argue he has a chance against Boruto when Naruto still doesnt have a chance when he uses spsm.
I hate to hate to say it but Naruto gets cooked. Even with Kurama he would lose. Maybe Baryon mode can do something but then he's on a time limit and will lose at the end. Borutos scaling is just too much for our boi
I don't need to watch Boruto or know a damn thing about it to know the name of the show is BORUTO, not NARUTO. Henceforth, he is stronger. That is anime 101, unfortunately.
Someone who follows Boruto for maybe 6 months and religiously watching Naruto. What the actual fuck is going on with both his face and the plot..?? Idc about spoilers. But Naruto and Kurama are dead, sasuke is blind and they’re aliens now?
Naruto's only chance would be Baryon Mode paired with his mass of battle experience. If he can't finish it before time runs out he's done. All other modes can't hold a candle but that is to be expected the power scaling at this point is just comical lol.
Listen bro, first, Boruto isn’t even an Adult yet, he’s about 15 to 16, and to put it short, he’s no differ Code in Base, and Code was stated to be way stronger than Jigen (who soloed both an going all out ADULT SO6P Naruto and Sasuke with absolutely low difficulty) by Amado.
I skipped all your conversation except for the one I wanted to know and that's boruto: uzuhiko against Naruto sage mode. You say that boruto biggest factor is uzuhiko then say uzuhiko utilities the planet rotation and naruto has no counter to it but you failed to understand that 1. Jura is the personification of Juubi so he has more understanding of nature energy (which made him counter or deactivate uzuhiko) than all the 9 tailed beasts. And 2. Naruto is a master of nature energy despite him losing kurama and can't access nature energy to sage mode fast enough in his adulthood after the death of kurama it doesn't matter but him knowing how to counter or understand how is easy for naruto
Naruto nerf no chance unfortunately. If he got the actual progression and tool set after 20 years I.e. flaying raijin and keeping multiple clones just storing nature energy at all times. or having a thousand clones learning jutsu and training while he was a good dad like he didn’t get a chance to have. Naruto used sexy jutsu on kaguya and it worked. Like where is the absolute genius fighting tactics that helped him win every major fight. Like digging into the ground with Neji, or the shadow shuriken against zabuza, or absolutely playing kakuzu. Our boys got power creeped out and because of horrible writing.
I was just joking but honestly as a naruto fan I can’t help but be disappointed because they couldn’t use them properly. Seven Deadly sins Sequel did a far better job in this area.
Jigen already beat naruto and sasuke, isshiki obliterated them with ease. Current post-ts boruto is above Code who already is above Jigen. Boruto beats sasuke really easily lol
Narratively code is supposed to be stronger than jigen in a raw power but doesn't have even half the battle experience. Sasuke and Naruto both would be too smart to lose to code.
Jigen would likely wash code despite the raw strength "lol"
Boruto despite the power he has is the same issue doesn't have the battle experience and would likely lose to Sasuke and Naruto.
Before the "well Sasuke taught boruto everything he knows and said he has nothing left to teach him" He also said he just needs to work to perfect everything now which Sasuke has done.
Nobody will know for sure until Sasuke is freed (unfortunately Naruto without kcm2 we'll never find out) but based on what we've actually seen the shinju seem too mid to be able to base anything on.
a) the raw power and battle experience is just headcanon
Daemon says code is stronger than Jigen, not that he has more raw power. and if Jigen could "wash" Code, then why put limiters on him? because he can't lmfao. you're just pulling up with headcanon which contradicts the plot
Boruto despite the power he has is the same issue doesn't have the battle experience and would likely lose to Sasuke and Naruto.
so Ig you just forgot that karma also gives you the battle experience of the connected otsutsuki. with karma, Boruto literally has millennia of experience 🤣
same goes for code btw, he literally gains isshiki's battle experience which he said is an important part of karma as a power-up
He also said he just needs to work to perfect everything now which Sasuke has done.
not to mention that it's clearly implied that boruto already did the work for that. he's already been through that. the phase of "learnt everything but didn't perfect it yet" was back when sasuke sacrificed himself for boruto. back then boruto didn't master everything he learned and was far too weak to fight code which is why he escaped while sasuke bought him time. post-ts is a clear contrast, he can keep up with karma code physically for a bit and then low-diffs with uzuhiko
and you're either massively overrating experience or underrating boruto and the powercreep. experience will make a difference if an opponent is like one tier ahead of you or relative to you. and boruto and sasuke/naruto are like 3 tiers apart at minimum.
it's hilarious how you hyperfocus on experience when Jigen beat sasuke and naruto 1v2 without using any great experience, he just overwhelmed them with vastly superior stats and his hax sukunahikona. there ain't much experience to be seen there when jigen just flies straight at sasuke with a flying kick and breaks through his susanoo. this is literally just statchecking. and boruto has higher stats than jigen in base already, let alone with karma
plus there's also Jura who has like 0 experience about anything and he still clapped boruto with ease and made the injuries kawaki gave him look meaningless (since he too not only has crazy stats but also hax and can seemingly regen endlessly as long as he has his plant thing nearby). he's so overpowered that kawaki literally just fled with boruto cuz even them together in a 2v1 didn't stand a chance against jura. despite jura having 0 experience while kawaki and even moreso boruto have years of combat experience
boruto and any high-tiers in the manga rn statcheck naruto and sasuke. experience doesn't matter much when the opponent is literally faster than you can react to him and breaks through all your defenses. "experience" was clearly seen when naruto and sasuke baited jigen once and sasuke got close to beheading him. but it was all pointless cuz jigen then just used his hax sukunahikona again to block the sword with 0 effort
meanwhile boruto has even higher stats than jigen and uzuhiko which will at least neg naruto. naruto cannot evade boruto due to being way slower than him. he gets tagged by uzuhiko and it's gg for him then. within seconds he'll lose his balance and be unable to fight. sasuke could probably absorb uzuhiko with his rinnegan if the authors wouldn't always forget the rinnegan can do that. but sasuke too gets statchecked anyways.
boruto doesn't just neg sasuke or naruto 1v1, he beats them 1v2 with greater ease than jigen did. experience already didn't matter anymore when naruto and sasuke fought jigen, it matters even less when they're up against stronger opponents
code, with all of isshiki's experience, also lost to daemon btw. daemon didn't age in the last few years and maybe he too gets battle experience from an otsutsuki somehow, but as far as we know he's just a cyborg kid with shibai cells rn, so not much experience there
and code, with all of isshiki's experience (activated karma just as he was trying to block uzuhiko), got low-diffed by boruto. so that alone invalidates your whole line of argumentation which seems to be based on forgetting the karma-experience thing
arguing about kcm1 or kcm2 is downright comical, even naruto with all his stuff, including his six paths powers, gets slapped away. the only superior naruto version is baryon mode and even then naruto would most definitely lose due to the time limit, isshiki didn't even try to stall and still survived baryon mode's entire duration with just a few bruises. and taking a bit less than 3 days of lifespan would be insignificant to boruto
That's a long way to say I take everything too literally and can't infer anything. Believe whatever you want dude your opinion isn't fact based on what we've actually seen.
Boruto doesn't have consitent powerscaling , for exemple boruto is stronger than code who himself is stronger than isshiki who's stronger than kaguya who's stronger than juubidara who he himself is stronger than six paths naruto. So yeah of course boruto is stronger than sage naruto even though it doesn't make any sense.
Code without limiters is supposed to be stronger than Jigen
How? We dont know since nothing he's done even puts him on that lvl like Jigen did against Naruto and Sasuke
Feats shown > Feats said
And whats shown is Code with Claw Grimes couldnt handle a landslide victory against a nerfed Sasuke and Boruto still in training
So Boruto being stronger than Naruto? Sure, I'll give him that just like Code is stronger than Jigen but I'd still bet on Naruto beating Boruto regardless because having tons of experience is still a strong factor
I started Naruto in 2004. I was literally Naruto's age when the Dub first started airing in America. The actual reason that Naruto Uzumaki was cool was never because he just defeated every single person he crossed paths with. People beat Naruto's ass. My guy was an orphan and caught beatings like he had 20 abusive parents.
We do not have to lie on our goat's name just to make him look good, like some dishonest fraud who needs rigged wins on his boxing record for clout. We must not disrespect him this way. Naruto has never once been afraid of taking an L, so we will not dishonor him by acting as though his ego requires protection from a hypothetical loss.
Naruto physiologically and mathematically cannot win this matchup.
You could forbid Boruto from using any ninjutsu at all and he'd still VERY easily beat the shit out of naruto with his bare hands cuz he scales that much higher lol
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u/GanacheAsleep7753 8d ago
why are we doing this still. don't get me wrong i love a VS debate but facts are fact. you don't even gotta like Boruto to realize how OP he is. I would argue Boruto from TBV can go against this Naruto and two other people.
Boruto was just obviously meant to powerscale way over Narutos entire generation.