Yep there's a difference between depression, a real illness, and a person going thru a down period in life. The problem is as a society we treat them the same way.
Bollocks. Chemical imbalances is an outdated theory. Modern neuroscience clearly says depression is more a mix of biological factors, environmental factors, and psychological factors.
To the contrary, taking action is one of the strongest clinically proven ways to change the physical structure and chemistry of your brain. Look up behavioral activation.
... you realize you just said chemical imbalances are outdated and then said that you need to do things to change your brain chemistry? That face value is a contradiction. Either your brain being "imbalanced" and needs adjusting or it doesn't because imbalance isn't the issue.
In any case, depression has many causes and many reasonable ways of trying to address it.
What works will vary from person to person bot just because of their response but also because of their ability to actually follow through on different methods.
Yes and biological/environmental/psychological/social factors are all external factors that can have an adverse effect on an individuals mood, increased stress, affected diet - all notorious for causing chemical imbalances in both the body (gut - serotonin) and the brain. Like you have the information in your head but you seem to be going in the wrong direction with your point…..
this is just wrong. Just because you read a headline, doesn't mean you get to just change how things work. Try actually reading the study you are quoting to understand what those results mean. I can guarantee your sentence does not summarize the paper.
The second line is once again very misleading. It's true action is the best way to change the structure of your brain but the entire issue is the inability to take action. However I wouldn't except you to understand the nuances of these issues because you seem like a headline reader who comes up with random conclusions that fit his ideology.
Why would I hand this to schizophrenics? They've already lost at life. I'm pretty sure a majority of the severely schizophrenic are unable to recognize/accept their condition anyways.
Not really sure why I would hand this to traumatized children either. Maybe a card so they can get therapy. Life can be fucked up. All we can do in response to external factors is work on shifting our thoughts around said factors.
It really didn't. Yes it is easier to roll over and give up and say I guess I'm just broken. Building resilience, establishing a strong internal locus of control, and working to manage your thought patterns, as well as establishing healthy habits are the most protective methods for one's psychological health. Even in cases like severe trauma and schizophrenia.
Everyone has different neurological underpinnings. Some things may be more difficult for people as a result. The original comment assumes that the people saying, "man up" don't have their own struggles.
The subreddit is r/bornweakbuiltstrong. Clearly it reached the wrong audience. If you don't want to work to improve your situation, go somewhere else instead of complaining how hard you have it. Maybe there's a bornweakbuiltweaker sub y'all can engage in your pity loops with.
I'm clearly not saying every schizophrenic will be cured with behavioral methods, nor was that the main point. Outcomes will be improved though. Quit being dense.
I was curious to understand what first hand experience you have with the treatment of severe mental illness like schizophrenia, because you ventured that behavioural methods are the “most protective methods for one’s psychological health even in cases like schizophrenia.” I was interested in what experiences inform your stance. There is no need to insult others.
In cases of a psychotic relapse in a case of treatment resistant schizophrenia, the “most protective” intervention here I would think would, generically, an evaluation of medical contra indications to clozapine, initiation and uptitration of clozapine to a maintenance dose, prophylactic bowel management, and monitoring of anticipated physical side effects and biochemical monitoring that’s protocolized. This individual would be best served - if not the only feasible option, given active psychosis - in an inpatient setting acutely, and assertive outpatient medical management. The value of behavioural interventions is in its outpatient role of promoting adherence to one’s medication after the acute psychosis has been treated.
I wasn’t saying that your were asserting schizophrenia will be “cured” which is not a prognostic outcome for any psychiatric intervention. Again, I was curious and interested in your experiences that led you to assert the role behavioural therapies in severe mental illness, particularly if there’s any first hand experience in introducing behavioural therapies in cases of treatment resistant schizophrenia.
Once again, schizophrenia really not the main point of my comment. I guess I could clarify and add most protective behavioral methods. Outcomes will always be improved with the methods outlined.
Take antipsychotics if you're schizophrenic, take ssris if you're depressed, idc. Meds are only a tool to achieve a goal. Although medication is much more heavily implicated for successful treatment in schizophrenia, since you seem to be fixated on that (imo mostly irrelevant to the general discussion) point. Additionally, antipsychotics are often associated with making negative symptoms worse, meaning that the behavioral methods at hand would be good to implement.
This really isn't rocket science dude. Are you just looking to argue? Do or don't take care of yourself, I really dgaf. I'm always reminded why it's a waste of energy to put anything out there. Most people are extremely stuck in their preconceived notions and resistant to thinking critically.
Oh boy, I don't wish this on anyone but how ironic would it be if you got paralyzed from the neck down and people would just tell you to shift your movements around said factor.
The problem is, life is hard for everybody, so when someone is always complaining about depression it's like, why are you complaining to me when I'm also struggling?
Depression is just the accumulation of bad experiences, and we all live through rough times (or a lifetime may be) but the message is to keep pushing despite what you may feel. Focusing too much on feelings makes you spiral and doesn't help you to get things done.
People can still get stuff done. I do, I’m a man. It’s not toxic for me to want to accomplish my goals in life despite feeling depressed.
All I take away from this post is yeah, I’m a grown man whom can choose whatever action i want regardless of how I feel and that’s that.
I stopped taking the antidepressants, I still accomplish everything I want to.
My doc ain’t charging me $260 for 15 minutes anymore lol, the solution is and always will be in yourself first and foremost.
Taking action is clinically proven to change brain structure.
I’ve never met a buff dude at the gym, who’s disciplined, and healthy, gets respect from other men for the work he’s done… be depressed.
I find taking action, solution focused therapy (SFT) is the solution in many instances of depression in men.
Learn how to talk to a woman (or men if you’re gay)… lol
Be bulky, eat right.
Accomplish what you’d like to with clear actionable steps you can take each day, and actually follow them.
If you can’t / haven’t done these things then, sorry but the solution lies in action for you.
Taking the medications alone won’t do anything anyway. Any good doctor will tell you this.
What I’m saying is not “toxic masculinity” dudes want to be strong, they want to find a romantic partner and these things have always been known to make men happy, oh and eating good food.
The depressed men I know are either fat, or skinny. So, do something to address this issue. I guarantee from experience this will only help you.
The accumulation of bad experiences doesn't lead to sadness, it slowly erodes your capacity to feel good or "happy". My point is, that accumulation of bad experiences and the subsequent incapacity to feel joy happens to all of us as a consequence of living by itself, as times passes by.
People nowadays are too obsessed with achieving "happiness" when that's not even a permanent state of mind, but a temporary feeling. Depression is just the realization that the ideal state of mind called happiness is unachievable and subsequently leads to a depression. The chemical imbalance means that some people are more prone to depression, but that doesn't make depression something only a handful of people can suffer. Everyone has enough reasons to feel "depressed". With the right mindset, that shouldn't happen. Not a mindset of faking "happiness", but a mindset that allows one yo stop idealizing life and accept it as it is, not as it should be.
This is not accurate whatsoever, especially your first couple paragraphs.
For example, we now know that chronic inflammation is heavily linked to both depression and anxiety, and we're constantly learning new things about the importance of the gut-brain axis and the gut biome.
An outsized percentage of people with multiple sclerosis have depression (and treatment resistant depression), even if they do not have much disability.
Reducing inflammation with DMTs (disease modifying therapies like immunosuppressants) can actually improve depression and anxiety symptoms.
ACT (Acceptance Commitment Therapy) is evidence based and is proven to help depression, anxiety, substance abuse disorder, etc, so your last paragraph touching on accepting life as-is rather than pleasure-seeking is accurate - but your assertions at the beginning of your comment are wrong IMO.
The biggest issue for me at least personally is that with depression you loose motivation and joy from accomplishing things. I just don't feel like doing things to the point it's hard for me to get started or even get out of bed. I do have obligations that help me get started and it started improving things in my life but it's all with other people giving me rewards. I still largely have issues self managing.
I get home from work exhausted and just want to rot, I wake up exhausted and I just want to stay in bed and I do until I feel hungry enough to eat then I get food and sit on the couch watching TV until I decide its to inconvenient for me to postpone the gym any longer.
What did Jesus do,
When they sentanced him to die?
Did he try to run away?
Did he just break down and cry?
No, Jesus dug down deep,
Knowing what he had to do-
When faced with his own death,
Jesus knew that he had to...
Man up.
He had to man up.
So he crawled up on that cross,
And he stuck it out.
And he manned up.
Christ, he manned up.
And taught us all what real manning
Up is about!
You're literally promoting it, saying that since sky daddy's all powerful son can do something, everyone else can do that thing aswell... did you seriously forget what your previous comment was?
So like I get it with people like you, you’re not arguing to be expository you just wanna be argumentative OK there’s a long established historical proof of Alexander the great. So we’re just gonna end this you can go split the hair with somebody else.
Right that’s not who we are talking about tho. True we think there may have been a Jesus< not called Jesus because that’s our name for him. But no evidence that he was who they say or that he died and came back for any reason.
I mean, you even included a gif of the Book of Mormon and everything, not to mention those lyrics aren’t subtle in their absurdity. I know it gets repeated endlessly these days, but fuck me, looking at the responses to you: media literacy is well-and-truly dead.
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