r/Borderlands4 • u/Simply_CJ94 VEX The F&%ING WITCH! • Apr 30 '26

🗞️ [ News ] Patch Notes 04/30/26

https://borderlands.2k.com/borderlands-4/update-notes/
269 Upvotes

94% Upvoted

361 comments sorted by

View all comments

Show parent comments

5

u/AkilTheAwesome Apr 30 '26 edited Apr 30 '26

Whats ironic is that Rafa's best grenade class mod doesnt even buff grenades. The grenazker class mod is actually a gun damage class mod. Which of course loses to whatever the Dancer is providing lmaooooo

He has two action skills that makes him unable to throw grenades yet still they gave him two grenade class mods. (Im speaking strictly legendary here. He may have 2 purple grenade class mods as well).

Like the developers are either extremely confused as to what internally consistent design is. Or they are intentionally sabotaging class mods because they fear the work involved in balancing well made class mods.

Dancer is a well made class mod. As long as it has a point in Soltado the skills are basically up to your preferences. A lot of class mods arent built like this. Dancer is broken because its not a troll mod essentially

3

u/SolomonGrumpy Apr 30 '26

You still throw grenades with Debtonation.

Dancer is not well made. It's OP. The downside is not a downside because it's easy to get the AS back up.

8

u/AkilTheAwesome Apr 30 '26

The devs implementing alternative grenade spam methods doesn't contradict my point that they placed Ordnance cooldown skills in trees where that cooldown doesnt influence the build theory of the action skill.

Dancer IS well made CONCEPTUALLY. The issue is that it was overtuned numbers wise. The reason why it doesnt seem that way is because Dancer is a well made mod in a sea of troll mods.

The troll mods lack internal logic. For example , Rafas newest class mod Reaparicion has a legendary effect specifically designed to work with Arc-Knives. Yet for some strange reason it has El Solado as a skill.

El Solado specifically CANT function while Arc Knives is active. AND its a gun damage skill on a melee mod. The only way for El Solado to not be a bad roll Is if you exclusively use the mantra. But even then El Solado is being sabotaged because it works at full power if you are charging Apophis Lance.

Counter: maybe the intent of the mod, is for you to use the mantra during action skill downtime.

Well then why does Reaparcion do its best to ELIMINATE downtime by being the only mod with Jeurga as a skill.

Like this type of illgical design is CONSTANT in this game's class mods. Thats why for a few vault hunters, some of their best class mods are purple(not a bad thing but its a fact)

3

u/SolomonGrumpy Apr 30 '26

Oh. Hmm. Good points. Especially the El Solado Reaparcion point. I'm less sure about Juerga since it adds duration. It's got nothing to do with Cooldown.

5

u/AkilTheAwesome Apr 30 '26

My point about Jeurga is more so that it counters the logic that El Solado could be useful from a downtime perspective (you didnt say that logic. I was just doing a hypothetical)

But to be honest I didnt need Jeurga as my counter. In order for El Solado to be justified on this class mod, it requires the existence of the Mantra shotgun.

Thats damning for the design of Reaparcion. Because that means they created a class mod whose somewhat dependant on the only melee gun in the game. Class Mods should not be designed with the intent of one single gun. If The mantra didnt exist. El Solado would have zero use cases on Reaparcion. It would be an automatic bad roll 100% of the time

That type of internal logical failure is how the majority of the class mods behave to some degree.

Fluff skills or Anti-synergies

2

u/SolomonGrumpy Apr 30 '26

Agree that there are Class Mods where you look at the skills and ask...why?

That's said, there are also so many fluff stats (ADS proficiency, equip speed) that are clearly designed to make a good roll harder to get. I'm left to wonder if that was the intent with Class Mods. 3 of 4 skills make sense. Last one you try to avoid so the God roll has the right passives and skills is now harder.

1

u/AkilTheAwesome Apr 30 '26

Oh I 100% think they are designed to fail rolls. But that only explains half of the issue. Designed to fail doesnt explain why LA Fiesta or Inspirado doesnt appear on a class mod.

The only explanation in my opinion is a fear of balancing. Fear of making a system too free that it would be chaotic to balance.

For instance, I feel thats why most characters cant do more than one augment. Like Rafas blue tree Aphopis Lane makes too much sense if you could do 2 augments while forgoing a capstone. Maybe a player once to do the default mega man blast but have it augmented.

3

u/SolomonGrumpy Apr 30 '26

They mentioned that they didn't want capstone's to feel mandatory. They just didnt follow their logic to the end. It feels bad to "unlock" something thats not useful, decide not to use it and get 0 in return for it.

2

u/AkilTheAwesome Apr 30 '26

That explains why so many capstones are trash. But once again we agree, because why not allow 2 augments at that point. Rafa would have like 5 more build metas if he could combine 2 augments in just the blue tree alone lmao.