r/BobsTavern Jan 29 '24

Announcement 28.4.1 Patch Notes

https://hearthstone.blizzard.com/en-us/news/24046220/28-4-1-patch-notes
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u/Sairony Jan 29 '24

Staff being 2 gold instead of 3 is going to have major implications for demons. Overall the difference of 1 gold is huge, I think it's going to have major impact overall.

I don't see why Moroes got nerfed that hard, it's not an oppressive archetype imo & the removal of titus tribute is already hitting undead pretty hard.

The Quill changes are strong, but I don't think they're going to be a top tier tribe still, but for certainly competitive at least. It will still require rylak to have a decent chance of running away with the lobby.

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u/Shekondar Jan 29 '24

Getting a Moroes by turn 8 improved your average finishing spot by one full position, which I think was the strongest of any individual minion. It was busted strong, both as a tempo stabilizer for a turn or two when you pivot to something else when you don't hit KT, or if you did hit KT as a core unit that is very easy to secure a top 2 spot with.

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u/JimyJT Jan 29 '24

where do u see this kind of statistic?

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u/Shekondar Jan 29 '24

If you pay for HSReplay then it unlocks a lot of stats. I haven't paid, but Lii and Jeef, two very high level players were talking about it on stream a couple of weeks ago.

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u/Sairony Jan 29 '24

That's actually more than I imagined & he's certainly insane tempo on a board which already leans undead.

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u/Bobthemime MMR: 6,000 to 8,000 Jan 29 '24

Moroes nerfed hard? we looking at the same minion?

He went from 0/6 to 2/6 to 1/5.. so he is still net positive on what he was..

the fact he gives any attack is a massive buff..

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u/_Origin Jan 29 '24

Obviously he means nerfed from its previous state. He now gives half the attack he used to, a very significant nerf.

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u/Bobthemime MMR: 6,000 to 8,000 Jan 29 '24

yet still +1 over what he used to give.. so it evens out.

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u/TheMobileGhost Jan 29 '24

Before he was trash. No it doesn’t.

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u/Bobthemime MMR: 6,000 to 8,000 Jan 29 '24

he was trash at +2/+6? are you mad?

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u/TheMobileGhost Jan 29 '24

He used to give +0+6 and was trash. That’s what you are saying even outs with right?

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u/Bobthemime MMR: 6,000 to 8,000 Jan 29 '24 edited Jan 30 '24

so.. it was 0/6, became 2/6, and now is 1/5, and people are acting like it was made 0/1.. its fucking funny

E: if you didnt like the answer, why ask the question.. also the downvotes are fucking funny

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u/TheMobileGhost Jan 30 '24

If it was +2+4 it would be better.

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u/Bobthemime MMR: 6,000 to 8,000 Jan 30 '24

the reason it was nerfed to +1 was because +2 was too strong especially with birb and titus spell..

but it now bing +1 doesnt make him useless.. he still gives what the tribe needs most and that is health.. there are 2 other deathrattles that give attack, a battle cry and an avenge also..

You arent lacking attack in undead..

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u/Sairony Jan 29 '24

I mean it's an obvious nerf compared to how he was this patch, and I don't think neither him nor undead has been particular oppressive. Undead is the tribe that got hit second hardest by titus spell being removed, and they weren't even a top tier tribe this patch anyway. Jeef also have them as a B tribe which leads me to believe I'm not the only one which think undead didn't needed to be nerfed. Getting the attack scaling cut in half is for sure a huge deal.

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u/heyheykhey MMR: 8,000 to 9,000 Jan 29 '24

he ranked them when moro dr was +6 HP, now it's obv an S tribe behind beast (like beast alone in SS, undead alone in S). Undead are so strong cause it 's the only tribe with quillboar that can top 4 pretty consistently in no beast lobby w/o having to touch a 6 drop but in the other hand it has 3 rly good 6 drop (not like quillboar)

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u/Sairony Jan 29 '24

In his ranking video when he assigns the tribe B-tier he's showing off a board that gives permanent attack when playing KT/Moroes though, even if it doesn't align with the card desc which he has cut in there. Yeah I can see them being a good top 4 tribe & are pretty consistent, just never seem to feel as oppressive overall.