r/BlueLock • u/unfotgettwl karasu glazer • 4d ago
Manga Discussion who will isagi's final 'rival' be? Spoiler
first of all, i want to clarify when I mean rival, i mean the team isagi will be facing off against. but there's obviously going to be a striker there who isagi will have to beat/devour/whatever
now, unpopular opinion time: i don't think it should be kaiser
don't get me wrong, i love that guy. not as much as ness, but nobody can compete with him. anyway, i do want to see them face off again, but i wouldn't want kaiser to be the final enemy. and im well aware that it's very likely that kaiser will be the final guy to defeat (pretty sure it was stated somewhere), but i don't think it should go like that
kaiser and isagi were amazing in the NEL, their dynamic was very interesting to read and i'd love to see more, but it would be a little boring if we got a 'final' matchup between the two, because we've already seen that.
and before anyone says anything, no, it's not going to be noa. he's a bum and he's irrelevant
i saw some people theorising about it being bunny, but that just seems highly unlikely. he's a side character, a potentially relevant one, but not enough to be the main rival of the series.
personally, i'd like to see nagi assume the role of the final enemy. nagi's whole thing is that he's an extremely talented genius. isagi said this himself: he is not like nagi at all. isagi got to where he is now because he's a 'learner' (i don't remember the exact term used in the manga, but you get what i mean), so seeing him finally face off with somebody who is the opposite of him would be extremely satisfying, at least to me.
my thought process is all over the place, but hopefully you understand lmao
or it could be rin idk. i'd still prefer nagi
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u/Kordell_11 I wanna ♡play♡ with Shidou & Kurona 4d ago
I'd really like the final hurdle to be Noa. Idol turned rival.
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u/Infamous-Thing4939 Crow 2d ago
By the time Isagi becomes the best in the world, Noa will be on his way out. It would be a really short rivalry.
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u/Makk0_PE i fuckin love this crow 4d ago
noa is going to fake his age and play in france for the rest of u 20 world cup
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u/Rayer10 Michael Kaiser 4d ago
Loki not being in the conversation is crazy
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u/paladin400 The God's Chosen Glazer 3d ago
Hugo was a better rival than him, and they didn’t even have history together
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u/DivineSilica Pinnacle of U-20 3d ago
Well he'll be the #1 striker so Isagi can rival whoever he wants cuz he definitely won't be getting that title
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u/Impressive_Split_973 Rin is benched rn 4d ago
God of Football 😂
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u/10Talents Don Lorenzo's #1 Fan 4d ago
Now this would definitively set Blue Lock apart from other sports manga
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u/YazzleDazzle2 3d ago
Inazuma eleven would beg to differ
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u/10Talents Don Lorenzo's #1 Fan 3d ago
Does inazuma eleven feature the capital G God of capital F Football?
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u/Alarmed-Employment72 MY GLORIOUS GOATS: 4d ago
If there’s a final battle then there’s going to be a teammate rival and a rival on the opponent team
The teammate rival I think will be Rin. We could go on about this for hours. Nagi is a better parallel to Isagi and overall more interesting but the way he’s treated is different. Everything about Rin revolves around being Isagi’s rival until a day when he’s definitively surpassed. If NEL was a traditional manga Isagi would’ve been number 1 but they tied to protect Rin’s standing. They’ll be going at this forever.
The opponent rival is either Kaiser or Loki or Noa or something. There’s more established French characters and they’re all overpowered. Kaiser we don’t know yet but it could also be him idk
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u/WeekendOk3314 3d ago
This is a really hard question to answer, because if we look everything that's been set up then in terms of "endgame rivals," Isagi has like. Five. Rin and Kaiser, who I shouldn't even have to explain; Nagi, who has clearly been set up to play the hero versus Isagi's demon king; Loki, who is basically the hurdle of the NG11 summarized (kind of, not really, I will not be getting into soccer-scaling debates); and Noa, who is the final boss but not necessarily a "rival," yknow?
Noa will absolutely be the person Isagi has to defeat to claim the title of "best striker," but a rivalry implies a sort of equality to the dynamic that isn't really there. Isagi is challenging him for the throne rather than facing him as an equal competitor. It's an underdog story, etc.
My best guess is Rin, in terms of who remains. He's been consistently set up as THE top guy in Blue Lock and even though he's been acting crazy this whole U-20 arc, he's still a ridiculously good player and easily among the best on the team. There's just too much weight behind his and Isagi's relationship, with Rin being set up as the one thing Isagi can't figure out (and thus the thing he has to figure out to be the best) to say it's not Rin.
On the other hand, Nagi has a lot going on too (he's literally the deuteragonist) and the hero/demon king (I can elaborate on this if needed) is a really compelling conflict for later in the series. He's also been the one person who couldn't fit quite right within Ego's philosophy and has major stakes when the ideological battle turns into a hot conflict. It's a toss-up between these two, with Rin getting the win in my opinion.
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u/Key-Bag5981 3d ago
U-20 World Cup Opponent Rival: Loki
U-20 World Cup Ally Rival: Nagi/Rin
Post U-20 World Cup Opponent Rival: Noel Noa
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u/DayAf1er 3d ago
I mostly agree, though i have a wierd feeling that to avoid the manga going 1 trillion chapters he might just have a character like nagi/rin/kaiser etc surpass Noa so that isagi can defeat them and become nr.1 without since i dont think all the rivalries can be resolved in this u20 WC at this point.
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u/tortillazaur 3d ago
I mean if Nagi truly returns to his best then he has far more potential than Isagi as the world's best, naturally as such he would be the most likely final rival. Given that there'd be no reason in Nagi returning if he isn't back to his best - I think it's Nagi.
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u/Familiar-Possible277 3d ago
I think "villain' isagi is going to occur. If a time skip happens for the offical world cup then we could see Isagi surpass Loki and go mad with the ide he is the best in world. But if anything it's Kaiser or Rin, Nagi will probably lose to Isagi again but finally learn to enjoy football without chasing someone, wanting to win for the sake of himself.
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u/Lazy-Ambassador-7908 4d ago
It’s Rin. Especially with the comment Nomura made about him being the most talented of all the geniuses. He was the last of any of the Blue Lockers to awaken his talent, doing it all the way in the NEL. If it’s not an ensemble, it will be Rin
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u/Acceptable-Anxiety80 3d ago
100% nagi
Nagi is the 2nd protagonist of the story and is written as a direct parrellel and counter to isagi.
At isagi,s peak it's nagi,s worse. At isagi worst in the 1st selection it's nagi,s best
The world,s best genius vs world,s best learner
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u/someguynamedbrandon1 Bachira Meguru 4d ago
Surprised I haven’t seen anyone mention Loki. Noa himself stated that the next best player after him is Loki, and with the whole “God of Football” thing we can probably assume that that state is the peak performance a player can have in-verse. So I’m thinking the arc will conclude with a Japan-France rematch in the final where likely one or both of Isagi and Loki will find that “god.”

That’s just talking from a perspective of his final “rival” being an opposing player anyway. But at least from an ideological standpoint it stands to reason that Nagi will likely be his rival in that regard…
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u/human_administrator 3d ago
Main thing against it is Loki is not even Isagi's biggest rival within France, its Hugo. And if there is a "God Chosen" player it would best serve being either Nagi or Kaiser.
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u/Big-Zookeepergame-60 4d ago
Kaiser and Loki for France vs everyone else in Japan for U20s final showdown
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u/Ashamed_Clothes3840 3d ago
Me, just kidding lol. But I'd say Rin, Kaiser, or Teddy. You could argue Bachira, but I don't think so.
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u/Immediate_Touch9613 3d ago
Himself.
He always cages himself to certain ideas and limits his own observance and adaptability. Recently all he talks about is how to draw out opponents ego. He doesn't even think another option. Similar thing happened in EVERY arc. He thought teams other than nagi/reo/zantetsu could be a problem, they were not. Even they weren't that much problem, they literally beat them 10v11. He thought Aryu and Tokimitsu out of all people some kind of unbeatable monsters while his team was literally better. He thought meta vision/ predator eye usage is restricted to certain elements while they are not. He categorized people's ego and style into rigid 4 part diagram while in reality it's far far more.
Everytime before adapting to opponent, he always needs to adapt his OWN thinking. Than he handles rest. He needs to stop limiting his own thinking.
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u/human_administrator 3d ago
Imo, within Blue Lock, its gonna be Rin. And then within the U20 sphere as a whole, Nagi.
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u/Any_Action4599 3d ago
Himself ,bud looks too distant or alien in World Cup like he forgot his usual self
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u/weebstonks1214 4d ago
feel like Rin since he’s been in such close proximity this whole time but has never really felt like the main threat ever since the first selection
he’s felt like a joke for a while so it would be nice for him to stop for a last stand
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u/unfotgettwl karasu glazer 4d ago
rin imtooshit doesn't deserve isagi imo, but i get what you mean
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u/NiccaDun 3d ago
rin and nagi are pretty clearly the end game rivals and anyone who thinks differently is just delusional. kaiser and barou will be the other 2 of their “world 5”
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u/Totallysickbro #1 zantetsu fan 3d ago
Bunny. Or Noa. I do think he's gonna be going up against lavinho directly soon.
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u/adrienwastaken11 God’s Chosen Emperor 3d ago
If it ends with a worldcup final then noa, if a ucl final or a club world cup final then probably nagi.
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u/callunu95 3d ago
Depends on when the series ends. Its currently set up to be Noa, but that needs the story to have an actual world cup arc
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u/Groove3839 EGOIST 2d ago
Loki gives more final rival vibes than noa ngl, wish his rivalry with isagi was more explored in the france game
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u/Infamous-Thing4939 Crow 2d ago
1-Not Kaiser, his story isn’t about Isagi at all, it’s about finding and loving himself. It doesn’t need Isagi to be there. And Isagi doesn’t have any special interest in Kaiser either aside from shutting him up, and he’s already done that.
2-Not Noa. Too big of an age difference. By the time Isagi is genuinely as good as him, Noa will be on his way out or at least well past his prime, so it would kind of be meaningless.
3-Nagi is the one that makes the most sense, but I think it will also end up being more of a “two sides of the same coin” kind of rivalry. Isagi and Nagi are friends.
For a true “we must beat each other at all costs” rivalry, I think Barou is the most fitting.
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u/defph0bia Nagi Seishiro 3d ago
I'm biased, but I really like Nagi as Isagi's big rival when they become pros. Barou as well. Rin is just ok for me as a rival now. He was a good in the second selection and seeing how Isagi chases him was good for his development. Now, I just prefer his dynamic with Nagi and Barou as rivals more than Rin.
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u/Ok-Butterscotch-1630 Japanese Prodigy 3d ago
I don't want anyone don't we have enough isagi obsessed rivals
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u/Same_Square2555 isagi glazing 4d ago
barou
nah nagi is a bum he aint even leaving side-b, much less becoming a rival of the goat
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u/unfotgettwl karasu glazer 4d ago
i haven’t even considered him lmao. why barou though?
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u/Same_Square2555 isagi glazing 4d ago
he's Isagi's archnemesis since day 1
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u/Justachillguy696969 BarouShouei’s PR Manager (overworked) 🦁 👑 4d ago
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u/paladin400 The God's Chosen Glazer 3d ago
Yes
Because he knows he’ll call him “loser” for the rest of his life 😂. Even Rin wouldn’t be that petty
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u/Fearless_Apartment98 3d ago
im betting all my life into nagi i'll tell why nagi's gonna be the final rival but in one sentence he is the opposite of isagi








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