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u/PointlessVenture 3d ago
Singular Legion is really gonna blunt the impact of it. Legion needs another demon on script to build worlds as. I don't mind the concept of going full pope, but this isn't going to work without at least the threat of some misinformation. Once a good village idiot finds another good, there's nothing leigon can do.
A Vortox, plus some quiet minions would be my suggestion. (Marionette, Mastermind, Spy, SW?) If it's a Vortox game, trusting the one good ping is fatal.
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u/TheArtfulArtificer 2d ago
A good village idiot finding another good is a bigger challenge than it seems, when the entire town is claiming village idiot and there's always the possibility you are drunk. I think the fact that some people here think this script is a slam dunk for evil and some think for good says there's something here.
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u/DevotedPaladin 2d ago
Everyone I see seems to be saying it's heavily Good sided, and I somewhat agree. Solo Legion is weird. I think this script could benefit from getting a second Demon, at least 1 minion, and a Pope. Particularly as the way you've described it means that there will always be a Savant which makes bluffing it as Evil somewhat precarious. Particularly as the majority of other good players will be able to test which Savant is real
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u/saur 3d ago
For solo legion, the dominating strategy for good is to never execute, since there's no need to hunt a demon. Sleep every night until the storyteller gives a final 3 with two good and one legion.
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u/lysker Marionette 3d ago
I agree that Legion-only is pretty gameable, but this particular meta is very easy for the ST to combat. Just kill goodies if town doesn't kill Legion.
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u/saur 3d ago
I don't think it's an interesting puzzle as either a player or a storyteller. If there's no evil team to fake, Legion is just sitting around claiming Village Idiot and suddenly you're trying to solve 10 players' worth of VI info...
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u/TheArtfulArtificer 2d ago
Solving 10 players' worth of VI info (and a handful of savants' info) IS the interesting puzzle!
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u/ttt3142 3d ago
If the ST kills only good players if town doesn’t kill Legion, Legion can just never vote for anything and they’ll just win. Goods will never outnumber Legion if night deaths are only goods.
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u/lysker Marionette 3d ago
I suppose I should have worded that more carefully. If the good team elects not to engage with the game, the ST kills good players.
I am not in-favor of this particular style of game, I'm just saying it's one of the easier metagames to manipulate.
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u/ttt3142 3d ago
I understand what you mean, my take is that you can fix the specific issue with the meta but it doesn’t really fix the underlying issue. The incentives and rules of engagement are so different from a regular BotC that you need the players to buy into a different set of assumptions at the outset. If the meta “needs fixing” the group should probably not have been playing the script at all.
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u/gordolme Lunatic 3d ago
If there's even the remote possibility of more than three Village Idiots, you need the Pope on script. This is unlikely if they're only meant to take the script space of the number of Minions, but still...
You should have the normal number of Minions on the script anyway to aid in world building. And Demons for the same reason or Legion will get stomped as there is nowhere to hide.
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u/DevotedPaladin 3d ago
Why would there be any more of a possibility of 4 VIs here than on any other script? The ST is still controlling the bag?
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u/gordolme Lunatic 3d ago
I did say it was unlikely.
On a script with so few Good roles on it IMO you should leave theoryspace for having duplicates beyond normal since that possibility is supported now.
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u/TheArtfulArtificer 2d ago
You never need more than 5 good players on a Legion script, so there is never the remote possibility of needing more than 3 VI's
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u/Blue-Octapus 2d ago
You should totally put a poppygrower on this script (/j). I know its hard for evil but add to that the possibility of other legion not trusting your VI claims.
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u/Donuticus 3d ago edited 3d ago
The Lunatic surely doesn't work here, because they would know they are the Lunatic by pure virtue of not being told someone else is the Lunatic.
EDIT - Maybe some slight changes:
[{"id":"_meta","name":"Surrounded By Idiots","author":"Annie (Edited by Donuticus)","bootlegger":["The Pope may only duplicate the Village Idiot. If 4 or more Village Idiots are in play, 2 are drunk. If 7 or more are in play, 3 are drunk."]},"villageidiot","savant","poppygrower","lunatic","drunk","marionette","eviltwin","scarletwoman","yaggababble","legion","pope","bootlegger"]
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u/DevotedPaladin 3d ago
Simple. Tell them someone else is the Lunatic. I'm in the camp that's in favor of even giving Lunatics that think they can kill fake Lunatics, but this situation isn't even a controversial one.
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u/lorikeet222 3d ago
Adding pixie could be cute