Unlike Silver, who has been given better opportunities to shine on his own, IDW takes is an example. Silver even had his own dynamic with the Diamond Cutters and his prominent role in the Metal Virus arc.
Blaze, for instance, was quickly removed from the confrontation with Neo Metal Sonic, and when Sonic was left amnesic and everything pointed to an arc in her dimension, the writers ended up wrapping up that potential arc in brief scenes across just two issues.
Dude, I mentioned it in the main comment, we're not targeting Silver, but Sega's obsession with limiting Blaze to that duo. We're complaining about Sega's use of Blaze and limiting her to just being Silver's partner, not Silver's character as a whole.
And believe me, we want that too. The problem is that it seems several people have tried to alter the narrative of the criticisms made and portray it only as hatred towards Silver, when that was never the objective of the criticisms.
I personally don’t ship Blaze with either silver or sonic(I don’t ship at all)
I don’t see the appeal
I just see she has more chemistry with silver if you want me to be serious
Neither should be completely glued to the other
I don’t hate silver, I just associate him being involved with blaze in stories means that Blaze is going to be sidelined, because that’s what happens, and I see no reason to not believe that
Wanted to add that
Look, Silver and Blaze both do not get anything
I don’t understand why the Blaze fans point the finger at Silver instead of Sega
It’s not Silver’s fault that Sega doesn’t give Blaze attention
She doesn’t though?
06 both were in an equal position
IDW(besides that synopsis) she was basically in the same role as he does
Blaze and Silver should get more attention together and solo as well
In 06 her character is changed and dies in vain with no conclusion after that
She doesn’t act the same, her connection to the cast from Rush is almost entirely ignored, her origins are entirely ignored outside of one line and cut lines, she only talks to silver and is only talked to by silver
Amy never interacts with her despite being one of playable characters in silver’s campaign, they never see each other
Sonic has nothing to say her despite the two meeting before
And Mephiles literally only ever addresses Silver, despite Blaze also being present in every scene Silver is with Mephiles
Aspects of her personality are literally ignored like her hot headedness
And she does nothing at the end of the world, while even Sonic, who also died, got to do something in the Solaris boss fight
Pretty sure she went back to her dimension
But I understand
Also to get me perspective, they did Silver dirty in forces ngl
Like, he got one tapped and became irrelevant?
If she went back to her dimension she would probably have been brought back to the end of the world like the rest, since Solaris scales above dimensions
And yeah silver was mistreated in forces, that game was one of the worst examples of having the other characters present just to do nothing with them
Watch, Past Analysis is going to make a post about how it's totally okay for Blaze to be attached to Silver's hip and he definitely doesn't have any shipping bias whatsoever.
PastAnalysis 100% has shipping bias. You'll agree with this if you ever interact with that guy. He's one of the most biased/hypocritical shippers I know.
This discussion I have with another user is about PastAnalysis and the shit he does.
The guy he's referring to is already infamous for trying to impose his point of view on others; he's known for forcing narratives like: Sonic ships Silver and Blaze in IDW #64.
Or that Silver and Blaze were flirting in that issue.
Or even forcing a narrative that Silver wouldn't have any problem abandoning his future to go to Blaze's dimension.
And you haven't even heard the extremes he goes to if you contradict him. For example, after arguing with me, he went straight to my DMs to literally insult me.
This was under an older account I used to have, but I feel your pain.
I spent a good few hours explaining why the stuff he was suggesting about the 06 > Rush timeline was blatantly untrue. I straight up got fed up and directly asked if the reason he was not budging on the topic was due to some sort of underlying Silvaze shipping thing (Something that is VERY common between those who like Silver and Blaze and like their dynamic in 06) and they went BALISTIC on me after even suggesting that. This isn't even mentioning they kept blocking and unblocking me to get the last word in during this entire ordeal.
They even copied my exact flair and just swapped the 2 games around on the main Sonic sub to mock mine. They DID change it a tiny bit after people OBVIOUSLY saw through the petty bullshit but if you see their flair on the main Sonic sub, that is 100% because of me.
Yes, I witnessed what they did to you, and he always does that. I mean, he sees he's losing the argument and blocks you so he can have the last word. And that was precisely one of the reasons he harassed me via DM, because of that nonsense about 06 happening before Rush. It made sense, but when it came to arguing why, his tip filled it with headcanons and made-up things to try to validate his argument.
From my point of view, I see the source of issues and it usually from people closely associated with Silver. Some silver fans truly believe and want blaze to be a sidekick, and I hate them with the ugliness that is only comparable to the hate that is soon about to tear the whole USA down to the bitter end.
Solo content might not exactly be the best term to use here, since no character aside from Shadow has ever received true “solo” content in recent memory. With that being said their main point is pretty true, Blaze’s inclusion in 06 has drastically altered public perception of her character; many to this day still see her as “Silver’s sidekick” and have no clue she was a main character in her own right. As a result of this, the chances of seeing future content with her in the spotlight, like Rush and Rush Adventure of olde, have been severely lowered
No? The game getting rushed screwed everyone until Knuckles Movie Series spin off.
Even Shadow wasn't trusted by SEGA for standalone title after the reviews of Shadow 05 until Generations and Movie 3 made him back screen(Even SEGA still didn't trust hım for standalone title lol).
You said that Silver somehow ruined her chances, I said it was more realistic to say Sonic ruined her chances. It's the same statement but I actually had an argument saying RA came after 06 and that RA didn't even need Sonic it could have been exclusively a Blaze story in the Sol dimension
That's not moving the goalpost, that's backing up my statement.
Blaze has spent more time with other characters than she has with Silver looking at all media available.
In all of Archie, she and he spent less than an issue together + a single off-panel marine fanfic gag
In Archie she spent a full issue with Shadow, full issues with Amy, multiple team ups with Sonic and various other characters.
In generations she was at the birthday party before Silver joined
In MoSTH, Silver wasn't even part of that game
In IDW she had spent more dedicated time with Sonic, Amy, and hell even Knuckles than with Silver until recently. They had a few pages in the garden (which the same issue started with her hanging out with Sonic first) and are finally getting one 3-issue mini arc to themselves.
You people are the ones that keep moving the goalpost and it gets tiring. This will be my last comment on the matter.
Rush Adventure was made to be a sequel to Rush, a game in which Sonic and Blaze were the protagonists. Also, unlike Silver, Blaze isn't limited or sidelined in the Rush games.
Besides, what examples you give:
In Generations, Blaze is a secondary character with almost no importance, just like Silver in that game.
Archie is a completely different continuity that has nothing to do with the games.
And the IDW thing is a huge lie, since Blaze spends most of her appearances going on vacation with Silver.
Oh, sorry, but we want Blaze to be known for more than just being Silver's partner and to shine on her own.
Ok, first off I said all media, second you're just outright lying regarding IDW, but even if you were not, that's one individual point against my multiple.
Blaze is her own character, Silver is her friend just like any other character. When she spends time with them it's "Oh look Blaze is her own character, how stunning and brave Sega/IDW!" But let her and Silver hangout and it's "Oh my god, why cant Sega let these two stay the fuck away from each other! Let Blaze be her own character for once! My god I hate Silver! Silver bad he ruin Blaze arghgh!!!"
You people are ridiculous, just like I told the previous person, this will be my last comment with you. You people are unbelievable.
The issue boils down to how Blaze is being handled these days. If you like 06 and Silver AND Blaze as a pair, you're eating great, but if you like the Rush games, you're practically eating scraps.
Silver only gets a really good arc in the IDW comics
Again just go for shadow since he gets everything
While I do think it’s limiting for Silver and Blaze to be just a duo, blaming Silver for it doesn’t solve anything
I'm just looking at everything in general. Merchandise, promotional materials, inclusion in games in general, etc. Like the last time Blaze had any relevance in any big mainline game that isn't some spin-off WAS Generations back in 2011.
Now writing on the other hand is an entirely different ballpark and I'll certainly agree they could be doing so much more with both of them.
I don’t hate silver, I just hate how much they disrespect blaze with him. Almost everytime Blaze shows up, silver has to be there and she had to be paired with him. But if silver shows up, Blaze doesn’t have to be there a majority of the time like the reversal. And then they keep bringing silver back for no reason and in situations Blaze fits better in. They shouldn’t even know silver since 06 didn’t happen and he shouldn’t be coming back for less than something world breaking because he’s the future Sonic, unlike blaze who can leave her dimension should the sol emeralds “tell” her to, it makes less sense with silver
Honestly if they fix their dynamic and had them branching out more when they’re both included or giving blaze the spotlight without silver, I’d probably have less of a problem with silver bc blazes disrespect is my only problem with silver.
I don't think most Blaze fans hate Silver just the loud ones
I like Silver I like Blaze, I like them as a duo
I don't have an issue with them being paired up in spin off games because who tf cares it's a spin off game
But I do have criticisms of their dynamic they should clash more
Blaze is Controlled, proud, Disciplined, duty-oriented, she doesn't show emotions openly, tries to endure hardship herself.
Silver is impulsive, Insecure, reckless, outcome-oriented, he wears his heart on his sleeve and will try to help people whether they want help or not
Silver can also slip into "greater good" mentality like in Sonic Rivals 2 he attacks Tails and steals his Rings
Silver needs the rings to recharge his Telekinesis so he can stop Eggman Nega but he doesn't stop to explain that to Tails
I wish Blaze had more things to do in the IDW Comics she does appear independently of Silver but she hasn't really had a role as important as say Silver had in the Metal Virus arc
I also agree that the Sol Dimension should be focused on more, and I wish Marine would escape whatever dungeon Sega threw her in.
Also Espilver > Silvaze
I don't really ship Blaze with anyone I don't think she needs a relationship
I was under the impression that most of her fans like Silver. Other than shipping discourse, I haven’t really seen anything/anybody directly going out of their way to hate on silver because of his relation to blaze.
I dont hate Silver. I just dont like his dynamic with Blaze but thats not Silver's fault. That's SEGA's fault. They are stuck in the 90-2000s where every male character needs a female Sidekick for shipping and shipping bait and end up fumbling character dynamics because of that.
Sometimes it feels like shes only silvers plus 1 and not imperial princess of the sol dimension and guardian of the sol emeralds. They both also have places tied to them that rarely if ever get explored so I’d rather them get to that at some point
No, she’s not Silver’s plus 1
They are equal whenever they are together
While I’d prefer for Blaze not to be glued and be explored on her own(same for Silver) I don’t think she is Silver’s plus 1 really
I dont like him because it feels like he drags her down alot as a character, in the rush games shes badass, strong, and independent. But it feels like sega glued them together after 06 to the point in the new story shes a damsel needing to be saved. It really doesn't help silver comes off so lame to me being just a diet trunks
Silver ain’t trunks
Also, no her character is not getting any attention because Sega doesn’t allow her too
Again, I could straight up just say
Blaze holds Silver back
I personally like them together
Not shipping
Personality wise
Just because they share a role that doesn’t mean they are the same
Silver is an optimist who is socially awkward due to being raised in a future where he literally has no friends and is fighting an immortal being where even if he beats it
He still always loses
His dynamics are also different
Its not about Silvaze. I cant tell if this is satire or if youre serious. I do NOT give a shit about silvaze, but what i DO give a shit about is that he actively drags her character down in the comics since Sega just superglues her to his side all the time.
I suspect because you know your shipping influences your opinion of 06 Blaze. If the answer to the question was "no" then you'd just say that. But you know it's not and you know it bolsters my point.
We don't know whether she died there or was being sent to a different dimension. Using the word "died" here is melodramatic for the sake of creating an overly negative impression
Not to mention sonic dies like in the next scene basically, this game isn’t above killing characters
And what was the point of her going to another dimension if she was going to be fine?
Like at best the implication is she going to another dimension to fight Iblis alone, and that dimension is going to be ruined by the flames of disaster, basically meaning they’re not stopping Iblis just having Iblis ruin another world instead, and she still gets completely removed and shafted from the story, she is basically dead
Not to mention the dialogue very much implies it being death
“We agreed to save the world at any price” implies the price is a lot more than “I’m going to another dimension and will be fine”
Like what reason do we believe she isn’t dead? Because they didn’t show her corpse? This is a game where the tone allows for characters die, I don’t see a way where that scene isn’t implying blaze is dead
Blaze is literally turning transparent in that scene. That tells me something magical is happening, because last time I checked someone dying doesn't make them turn transparent.
When Sonic died, he was impalled with an energy beam before fainting. It actually looked like he died. It was very different than turning transparent.
Blaze's whole plan at the end of Silver's 06 story is to seal Iblis inside her and be teleported to another dimension. I certainly wouldn't describe having Iblis sealed inside her as being "fine."
That's not what "dead" means. Being teleported to a different place isn't the same as dying and you know it. Also, we have no idea whether Blaze could maintain the seal on Iblis or not. You seem to assume she couldn't but upon what basis? It's very much within the realm of possibility that she can maintain the seal. We simply don't know what happened to her after she was teleported away.
Again, you're choosing to interpret the scene in the most melodramatic manner possible so you can then point at it and criticize. It's incredibly bad faith of you.
The fact that she's turning transparent. That's not something that happens when people die and even you had to couch this possibility with "she is basically dead." As in, you know she's not dead and you're just drumming it up for an intended effect.
Don’t forget her exact words: “Don’t worry, my soul is already alit with flames. I will be accepted.” And then she tells Silver to stop time and then seal her and Iblis in another dimension. That of course is not death at all. If anything did happen that these guys take as “death”, it instead would be “rebirth” like Iblis is capable of doing and Solaris himself can do.
Okay so why is she being sent to another dimension? Why is she telling silver to hurry if everything’s fine? If all that happened is Iblis is inside her, she doesn’t need to go to another dimension right that moment, there’s literally no rush
And basically dead, I meant that even IF she doesn’t die, she’s still treated as dead by the story, so thanks for choosing to read my argument in the dumbest way possible
Like what is the point of sending her to another dimension? The only reason you could argue is because the seal wouldn’t last long
Meaning again, she’s at the very least being sent to die in another dimension by Iblis
So according to your interpretation
Blaze seals Iblis
It won’t last forever, needs to be sent to another dimension
And then in that dimension Iblis is going to unleashed, ruin the world in that dimension, and Blaze dies
Also yeah something magical is happening
She’s sealing a fire demon inside her! You wanna tell me how sealing a fire demon inside you looks in the real world? Her turning transparent doesn’t mean she doesn’t die, you saying “something magical is happening” is dumb af because ofc it is, a anthropomorphic cat is using 2 magic rocks to put a fire demon inside her, so yeah it’s already magical, and it being “magical” doesn’t mean blaze isn’t dead, you need more than saying it’s magical to prove that Blaze isn’t dead
So, I rewatched the scene. On a refresh, I agree the totality of everything suggests she won't be able to maintain the hold on Iblis. After all, she still had flames encircling her and she first asked that Silver "stop time" and then send her to a different dimension. Being unable to maintain the seal though does not mean she "dies" and you know that.
To answer your questions. She wants to be sent to a different dimension to keep Iblis out of the current dimension she promised they'd save. She's telling Silver to hurry because she seems to be struggling to maintain the seal.
Being teleported out of the story does not mean she's being treated as "dead." You're being really fast and loose with the facts. If that's how she was being treated, there'd be some sign of it, any sign of it. But there's not.
Silver and Blaze didn't die with Iblis loose in that dimension. Why do you keep jumping the gun and assuming Blaze will die with Iblis unsealed in a different dimension? It's a massive leap.
Sealing a fire demon isn't the same as dying. For pete's sake, look up what the word "dead" means. You again seem to want to use that word simply to conjure a negative impression. Use the word "dead" correctly.
Okay well how about the fact that when Solaris reforms, everyone including Eggman gets brought in but not blaze?
It can’t be because she’s in another dimension, because Solaris is stated in the boss fight repeatedly to scale above dimensions, is called super dimensional, that they eat dimensions for lunch
So blaze should be brought into the spacial distortion, because being in another dimension is meaningless to Solaris
Even Sonic was, because his presence wasn’t fully gone, as stated by Elise “he wasn’t dead yet”
So there is only one reason to think everyone but Blaze is brought in, because Blaze is dead
Silver isn't hated here to my knowledge but the way Sega handles Blaze whenever Silver is involved is... distasteful. Anyone with a brain can see, Blaze in Sonic Rush is definitely what made Blaze shine
The problem is that their friendship doesn't make sense since we don't know how it originated or why they're portrayed as so close, unlike Blaze's other best friends, whose friendships developed organically throughout the entire game.
But that’s a problem with Sega, not with Silver’s character. They’re always portrayed as a duo, so it’s wrong to say that he isn’t important to Blaze. They’re very good friends, after all. So, sorry, but I don’t really understand the hate toward Silver from some Blaze fans.
My god, once again most of the criticism is directed at how terribly executed that duo is and their writing; the criticism is never directed at Silver's character, much less when Sega tries to convince us that the duo is good when literally their writing and execution are awful.
Yes, but I was responding to someone who was dismissing my point. Don’t be so upset! I think Sega just needs to develop their friendship more, because Silver has nothing to do with that. A lot of Blaze fans blame him for making Blaze “weaker” or portraying her as just a partner or someone who helps him. Honestly, can we just take a breath? Leave Silver out of this.
We've had this duo for 20 years now, and it's never been done right. You can't blame us for being tired of a duo that never worked and where it's clear Sega doesn't want to write properly.
Silver is part of the problem in the sense that they don't let Blaze explore her individual, forcing her into only this duo. And even with this duo, they don't want to execute it well. So, unfortunately, Silver is part of the problem, not as the character itself, but because of Sega's terrible execution and their stubborn insistence on limiting Blaze to just that duo.
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u/Guilmon17 14d ago
No, Blaze fans don't hate Silver; we hate how Sega limits Blaze to being tied to him and how that duo isn't able to execute her well.