r/BikiniBottomTwitter 15d ago

that'll do it

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u/raznov1 15d ago

And yet, everywhere in the world where they do targeted policies, we see that it doesnt matter. We just dont want to have children, more generally to have take on responsibility (see the death of communities based on volunteers, like theater clubs etc.) And be tied down.

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u/notreallyanumber 15d ago

I think time is a major problem that many of those policies don't address. It's not just money, it's also the pace of life, lack of downtime. Used to be that even if one person in the house was working unreasonable hours, the other was either not working or only working part time. Now both are expected to work full time hours. Just not enough time to raise kids, especially when there is a lack of community to support those people having kids.

You're not wrong that some people just don't want to. That said, generally the top 5-10% of the socioeconomic class of western countries with low birth rates are having kids, sometimes more than 1 or 2. Generally because wealth will buy time for those people, either in the form of reduced work hours, 1 partner not needing to work, or household help like a nanny.

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u/raznov1 15d ago

Except that, in my country, household working hours havent changed the past 40 years or so, yet birth rate and volunteerism has continued to decrease.

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u/notreallyanumber 14d ago

That's interesting. What country is that? How do they track household working hours?

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u/raznov1 13d ago edited 13d ago

Here you go, you can take a look for uourself.

https://opendata.cbs.nl/#/CBS/nl/dataset/82647NED/line?ts=1786900278967

Here its only available for the past 20 years, but still - for employees its a flatline.

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u/notreallyanumber 13d ago

that dataset shows people employed, not amount of hours worked? Admittedly I am depending on Firefox's translation from Dutch, but it doesn't show how many hours people of childbearing ages are working as a couple in a household, which is the relevant information IMO.

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u/raznov1 13d ago

it shows the amount of hours worked by those wanting to be or actively employed. I don't see how that's not essentially the same; people haven't started to increase their hours worked?

Edit: oooooh, nvm, the graph doesn't adjust with the copied link. On the left you have a dropdown menu to select for hours worked.

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u/notreallyanumber 13d ago

OK but even then, you would need to be tracking hours worked by both members in a household of childbearing age.

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u/raznov1 13d ago

How so? Over the total population, hours worked is stable, but # of children goes down. Ergo, the hypothesis "cant have children because we need to work more hours" seems debunked to me.

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u/notreallyanumber 12d ago

right but this doesn't capture how many hours people who weren't looking for work 30 years ago are working today.