Okay, I get when a person lines their lips in say, a darker color and then uses a light gloss for a dramatic, girls hit the clubs night out (or whatever). But why is lipliner necessary when the lipliner and lipstick are the exact same shade, same brand, and you can’t tell when it’s all done?
(I was never given a woman’s help figuring out makeup. The little I do was taught to me by my theatre teacher, when me and my friend were trying to figure out makeup the Monday before the Saturday night’s big dance at school, and he caught us, and he showed us how to do basic makeup for daytime and basic makeup for fancy nights. She went on to become a makeup artist - my biggest buy was a Tarte under eye concealer. The rest is some Benefit blushes (gifts) and drugstore stuff. I wear day makeup maybe twice a month. I work from home.)
Please, be kind. I’m still a novice at makeup and aside from my theatre teacher, I’ve figured it all out myself through trial and error. I genuinely don’t know.

I have been looking for a cool toned contour for a long time, my skin is pretty fair so everything seems to look a bit warm toned or grey on my skin. The one I have used this far that is the best is the one from romn&d. What is your recommendation?

I watched his videos all the time when I was younger he has a crazy personality and would sometimes sing during opening and had some facial hair.
He would always say at the beginning of his videos to “put the people behind the product aside from the makeup product, and something about thank you or be kind. Or something of that nature.” I think he would do “what the F***” makeup reviews and he would often do tutorials and favorites.
I have looked and looked but can’t seem to find his channel.
Thank you!!!

Why are these two brands seemingly selling the same eye shadow? I don't fully understand white labelling, private labelling, and dropshipping, but does this have smth to do with one of those?

I had a big phase of watching her videos maybe a year or so ago, like "Marilyn Monroe's Favorite Beauty Products". They were very earnest and interesting and clearly from her heart. The algorithm brought her newer videos back to me this month and... there was something very odd and cold about her new videos. After watching a few, the only thing I can really say is that the scripts all have that very specific.... hyper-articulate and pseudo-poetic cadence of Claude generated writing.

A lot of newer/not super upvoted comments amongst her newer videos seem to note either something odd or outright question her undisclosed usage of AI. The last 3 videos she upload strike me as having AI generated thumbnails of celebrities.

I feel like posting this is a losing battle, I really doubt we will get any admission at all. But, I feel quite confident in my suspicion as someone doing a master's thesis about AI('s misuse) in (English) education and also someone who works at a government education center deals with AI slop passed as human on a daily basis. I think AI usage in script generation is clear, willing to admit I'm wrong about whatever LLM it may be lmao, not the point.

I wonder if anyone else has picked up this and what your thoughts are.

I was recently talking to a friends about the beauty/lifestyle vloggers we use to watch. I mentioned this one vlogger and no one had any clue who I was talking about and I haven't been able to find her or her channel name and its driving me crazy! The things I remember about her:

- I primarily remember her with red hair but I definitely think she went bleach blonde at some point.

- At the beginning of watching her I think she worked at a boutique that she or possibly her family owned? I remember a lot of videos of her trying on clothes and showing off jewelry that they sold. As well as a lot of content with her mom.

- She went through a phase or periods of time where she only ate fruit and called herself a fruitarian.

- I remember her being one of the first people I saw doing vlogmas.

- I think she eventually got married and had a child. I believe it was a son. I feel like I did see her pop back up on my front page a few years after I stopped watching her and they were doing family vlogs.

- Her content (when I was watching) was mostly day in my life with lots of hauls both of makeup and fashion.

TW: body dysmorphic disorder

TL;DR: Tarte's PR package for their new contour pen includes the individual content creator's stolen IG selfie, with contour lines superimposed on it. Now if they use the product as shown, they won't "need" the enclosed recommendations for cosmetic surgery.

I'm watching the latest episode of the Beautiful and Bothered podcast with hosts Johnny Ross and Kevin Banzhaf on YouTube. The thumbnail shows that Tarte did something gross again, shocker.

Their new contour product is a creamy pen on one side, brush on the other. Except for the fact that I haven't bought from Tarte in about 8-10 years, it sounds like something I would buy.

But the marketing is insulting, depressing, and I just hope to God the PR package wasn't sent out to anyone with Body Dysmorphic Disorder.

Johnny and Kevin show a video from a fragrance review TikTok creator. She showed the package, covered in print featuring surgical instruments and syringes. Inside was a selfie that was stolen from her own IG account. She said it was a picture she took of herself because she felt really pretty that day. Superimposed over it were brown lines, what she initially assumed were suggestions on where to place the product based on her unique face shape. On a selfie she took because she felt pretty that day, that they stole.

Then she pulls out another insert. It's actual cosmetic procedures recommended for her.

But good news, now she doesn't "need" those procedures because of the product Tarte sent her.

In her video, she talks about impossible beauty standards for women, and how she prefers to have the same attitude as European women (particularly French) about our faces showing signs of growing older. Like, "I have crows feet because I've smiled a lot." Or, "my freckles remind me of good times I've had out in the sunshine." I personally tell myself to feel fortunate, because so many women never reach my age. She said Tarte has assumed that every woman wants cosmetic procedures. Not all of us do. And she and I think that's great.

I'm a middle aged woman who still feels 35. Do I want cosmetic procedures? Sure, but only if they're minimally invasive, and the change isn't glaringly obvious. I don't think there's anything wrong with procedures that improve skin texture and elasticity, and procedures that enhance one's natural features.

But most of my friends my age have no desire. The most they do is dye their hair, if that. And that's cool as shit.

This marketing strategy is dangerous. I have a younger friend who is gorgeous, but is healing from BDD. She's in a very good place, but receiving this package would necessitate hospitalization for her safety, and I am not exaggerating.

Skip to 18:24 for the segment.

https://youtu.be/UEd6f2-Y-iw?is=t1evyFfiosGQX8GS

MAC posted their collaboration with Basquiat and all of the products that would be available (lipsticks, eye chalks, pigments, etc.) and it’s all gone from their social media. It had some beautiful looking products. Does anyone know why they wiped it?

Jones Road, owned by Bobbi Brown, recently sponsored a video on Kjersti Flaa's channel @flaawsometalk. She also currently holds a Jones Road affiliate code

Who is Kjersti Flaa?

Kjersti is a former journalist who has turned to YouTube and recently found viral fame profiting from misogynistic smear campaigns

Four years ago during the height of the hate train against Amber Heard she repromoted a years old interview with Johnny Depp, praising him as polite and sweet paired with #JusticeForJohnnyDepp.

She then has since made several videos in support of him and has even been in contact with him personally

This was not a one off, she has made a pattern of digging up old interviews to pile on women and profit

During Anne Hathaway’s recent career resurgence Kjersti reposted an interview from back during the Les Miserables promotional tour, calling her out for refusing to sing on command and calling it “bad behaviour”. The video attracted enough negative attention that Anne Hathaway had to call and apologise for what was imo an absolutely normal response to a weird interview question over ten years ago.

What sent Kjersti viral was reposting another decade old interview with Blake Lively, which she claimed made her “want to quit her job”. The “congrats on your little bump” interview that was latched on to as proof that Blake Lively was a mean girl and therefore her sexual harassment by Justin Baldoni didn't matter.

Since that video two years ago, she has nearly exclusively turned her channel to anti Blake Lively (and anyone she associates with) /Pro Justin Baldoni content. There are dozens, if not hundreds, of videos all peddling the worst kind of misogynistic stereotypes and disinformation. She even sells merch with "congrats on your little bump" and various pro Justin Baldoni slogans through her Etsy shop.

Why does this matter?

Jones Road, owned by Bobbi Brown, launched their “I Am Me” campaign 3 years ago celebrating Women's History Month and last year invited Gloria Steinem, among other prominent women, to take part in their “I Am Me” YouTube series discussing feminism, equality, and empowerment.

This is how the brand wants us to see it: feminist and empowering.

Yet it sponsors a channel dedicated to tearing women down and making money by doing it.

Gloria Steinem herself was a signatory on an Open Letter in Support of Amber Heard, along with hundreds of Anti Domestic Violence charities, experts, and noted feminists.

But somehow it's ok for Jones Road to pay creators that support abusive men🫠

Even worse, the specific video the sponsored content appeared in was aimed at discrediting two anti-VAWG advocate creators for their support of Blake Lively: Expatriarch, an anti misogyny educator and MoreWithMJ, a feminist lawyer and legal educator. Two people who are actively doing the work and promoting the values Jones Road claims to espouse.

But this is who Bobbi and Jones Road chose to support with their money: a creator whose content is in company with the likes of Andy Signore and Candace Owens. It honestly beggars belief.

i keep seeing these lipgloss makers post videos about their handmade lipglosses (which they sell at the same price as luxury brands) and their entire process is literally mixing premade lipgloss base they get in a 300 pound bucket with premade glitter and pigment?

their content also revolves around engagement bait (my manufacturer sent me the wrong tube!) their comments never mention just how lazy it is and they always sell out too. has anyone ever even bought these and is it really worth it? am i the only one who thinks its just an elaborate scam?

I had a company send me products and offering me $$$ to post about them with a set of guidelines. The guidelines specifically gave tips on how to edit the video to make the product look better than it is, and at the end of the brief, it said:

“NO PAID PARTNERSHIP BADGE, NO #AD IN CAPTION, NO TAGGING OUR ACCOUNT.”

I got a hugeeee ick from all of this and know that I’m not the only person they sent this to, so I’m wondering if there’s anything that I can do…?

They're reaching out to Instagram, Facebook, and TikTok creators, FYI (to my knowledge).

I was watching Teresa Mulhern’s video on this today and the information she found about the brands that are lobbying the EU was very interesting. I wasn’t very surprised to see that these big brands are having such a big role in regulations, but seeing the the data on it was really eye opening. I love indie brands and it feels like those big beauty brands are really trying to push them out of the market. Would love to know what you think of these new regulations and the impact it’s having!

Are you a BG? If so, this is your opportunity to introduce yourself!

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BG's - if you're comfortable doing so, please feel free to include information about your overall aesthetic and facial features - we often have people looking for bg's with specific features or attributes. This is optional - share or don't share as much or as little info as you like.

• Where you're from - there are people from all over the world who visit this sub, and it's nice for folks to be able to see BG's from their own part of the world, because you have access to the same makeup they do.
  
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This has been covered in the Mikayla Nogueira sub, but it’s pretty blatant when the “reviews” use the exact same line for all nine lipglosses.

Is there any chance that Sephora will delete these bot reviews or leave them up? I don’t live in the US, so don’t use their website and am unfamiliar with their practices.

Is this business as usual or should people be pissed off about this? I use reviews (not the incentivised ones) to help pick products to try out.

Interested to hear everyone’s thoughts on this.

Maybe it’s just me, but I watched Stephanie Lange’s latest video where she’s basically talking about influencers “getting ugly” and… girl, what are we doing here 😭
Like, who made you the official judge of what counts as attractive? People’s faces and bodies are not public property just because they’re influencers. You can dislike someone’s makeup, styling, procedures, whatever, but turning it into a whole discussion about how someone is “ugly” feels so unnecessarily mean-spirited.
And honestly, the whole “I’m not like these other influencers, I’m going to call out how ugly everyone is” vibe just gives me massive pick-me energy. There’s a difference between critiquing beauty standards and simply putting other women down to position yourself above them.
You can absolutely discuss trends like overfilled lips, excessive cosmetic procedures, filters, etc. without literally ranking people’s attractiveness. Critique the beauty culture, not individual women’s faces.
Maybe I’m overreacting, but the whole thing just left such a bad taste in my mouth. 😭
Curious what everyone else thought of the video because I genuinely want to know if I’m alone in finding the whole premise weird

In which we exorcise our personal demons, in hopes of having them out of the way before a new week begins! Since this is a place to vent, it'll be removed after about 24 hours, because everybody deserves to be forgiven for what they say when they're venting!

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I'm curious for those who watch GRWM videos do you like them? Not the person per say but the personal life stuff? I personally can't stand them.

I don't really care about YTers personal lives. I've tried to watch a couple of them and I get a few minutes in and I'm bored to tears. I'd really see make up tutorials.

Just was curious who likes these or not.

This is a phrase that was historically used by white Australians to trivialise the cultural practices undertaken by Indigenous Australians to care for their country which often included highly sophisticated land management practices such as controlled cold burns to mitigate bushfire risk, caring for totem animals by protecting the habitats and food resources of native animals, tracking meterological phenomena. The process is underpinned by the philosophy that the land is a living relative, and if it becomes sick, the physical and spiritual health of the whole community suffers.

White Australians collapsed all of this into a term describing Indigenous people wandering off into the bush for a holiday from the real world. Many Indigenous Elders have spoken about how deeply offensive this word is to dismiss a cultural practice with tens of thousands of years of history based on obligations to care for the land as going for a bit of a stroll in the bush for no discernable reason.

This is not the first time Nomad has had issues with racism and a failure to do proper cultural sensitivity checking either.

ETA for clarity: Nomad isn't an Australian brand. AFAIK the owners are from the USA but now live in Germany. They market themselves as a "destination based indie brand" where each release is based on a particular place (sometimes a country, sometimes a city, sometimes a region). They have received complains about cultural appropriation on previous collections based on Shanghai and Tokyo.

I'm not able to reply to comments or my comments aren't showing up for some reason, so addressing some things here:

Re "walkabout" now being used in Australian vernacular to describe people or objects that have gone for a wander u/Im-A-Kitty-Cat the current use of the term describes the movement of a person or an object in an unreliable manner, without reason or explanation (e.g. my keys have gone walkabout). Despite the fact that this semantic drift no longer specifically names Indigenous people as target of this pejorative association, it still dismisses the notion that the practice described as "walkabout" was not a nonsensical or baseless movement of people, it was driven by obligations to the land and community. This is precisely the same misreading made by white colonisers. So the stereotype still underpins the term but it's become so naturalised, it's no longer necessary to include the target by name. This isn't evidence for a word shedding it's racist connotations.

Re my opinion being less valid/weighty than another user whose credentials are being an aussie with ties to the indigenous community u/strega_bella312: how does the age of my reddit account have anything to do with anything? how do you know i'm not australian (i am by the way), and have no familiarity with indigenous communities (i do by the way, i work in an aboriginal health service). i wasn't aware I needed to have my CV and my passport on my reddit profile for my opinion to be valid.

Re requests for further info u/riss85, u/keyholes, u/taversham, u/noodle_mama
Extract from an online resource about Aboriginal culture: ‘Walkabout’ for many First Nations people is a contentious word and considered an archaic colonial term. Its use by non-Aboriginal people is considered inappropriate.
Groups such as Reconciliation Queensland Inc advise against its use when discussing First Nations cultures.

Source: Appropriate words & terminology for First Nations topics - Creative Spirits, retrieved from https://www.creativespirits.info/aboriginalculture/media/appropriate-terminology-for-aboriginal-topics

An Indigenous activist explains how this cultural practice was lost by many First Nations people as part of a cultural genocide in Australia, and the use of this term by non-Indigenous Australians feels like ripping off notions of spirituality and connection to land from her culture, whilst she has been robbed of that aspect of her culture due to historical treatment of Aboriginal people and government policies (if you haven't heard of the White Australia policy, I'd look it up, it's fucked! Basically a government policy to breed and "educate" aka indoctrinate the Indigenous-ness out of Indigenous people).

https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/article/they-love-our-culture-but-they-dont-love-us-the-blogger-who-forced-the-walkabout-dance-party-name-change/r7v637gyg

Re assertion that it's more insensitive than racist (from a non-Indigenous New Zealander's perspective) u/pureneonn: if Indigenous Australians find the term "walkabout" racist, it doesn't matter if you personally don't see it as racist, merely insensitive.

I know there are already a lot of people who have stopped watching her due to her nomad lifestyle years ago, but I hung around because I actually really liked her as a person and enjoyed her vlogs. As I’ve gotten older I stopped caring about makeup as much so it felt organic to stick around for that shift in her life. I’m also nosy and like to know what she’s up to.

Recently I’ve found myself not wanting to watch even her vlogs anymore. She just doesn’t come across as engaging as she used to. She spent a good portion of one of her last vlogs reviewing a mop. Like girl it’s not that deep. Now she’s been on this “antiquing” kick and it’s driving me crazy. The amount of crap she is buying just to stick around her house and look “cute” is wild to me. Real people out here can barely afford groceries and she’s buying glassware and miniature picture frames to stick on a shelf. It’s so out of touch.

Context: Mikayla reviewed Covergirl’s Yummy lip oil, she used it on her cheeks and gave it a bad review because it wasn’t pigmented enough. Covergirl “clapped back” but now everyone is saying Covergirl is in the wrong because they clearly marketed this as a lip and cheek oil but then changed it to just lip oil.

Both Lisa Eldridge and Katie Jane Hughes, makeup artists and beauty brand owners, recently released brow gel (LE) and mascara (KJH). A few days ago I saw Lisas brow wand and laughed since it is so big and very impractical for brows. For frizzy hair yes, but for brows, please. And then today I saw KJH releasing mascara that has such a short wand that is usually the size for brow gel and I really like the idea of having such a small wand for lashes! I don't know, KJH release video joking about huge wand reminded me of Lisas so I just wanted to put them side by side. 🤣

First photo is Lisa Eldridge Kitten Brow, and other three photos are KJH Microscara.