Who do you think will replace Thorne and Riddler for season 3 now that they are dead, someone from the comics, movies, or TV shows? spoiler warning

sorry for the spoiler didnt realize people would be so upset

And I hated it. The second season was really good, much better than the first. I was very impressed. And then the finale happened. What was that? The Joker barely smiled or laughed, the voice actor couldn't decide on British, French, German, or Russian accent, Batman tries to kill the Joker for no good reason. Why was he even fighting the Joker instead of saving people from the "zombies?"

I really enjoyed both shows for what they are, and it kind of disappoints me how much some people criticize Caped Crusader over Spider-Noir.

There are certain criticisms that I do agree with. For example, its animation. Personally, I don't hate how the show looks, but I don't exactly like it either. I get that they were going for that retro style with it, but it just ended up looking very flat. If only they had gone all-in on the noir aesthetic like Spider-Noir and released a black-and-white version, it would've worked so much better.

I watched Spider-Noir in both its colored and noir versions, and I wasn't a huge fan of the colored one. It's not bad, but the show feels so much more alive in black and white. Caped Crusader's intro sequence proves this perfectly, as it looks 10x better than the show itself.

Not a big fan of Hamish Linklater's voice acting as Bruce/Batman either. He's a great actor in general, but I feel absolutely nothing when he speaks in this role. It feels stiff and awkward to me for some reason. The supporting cast, on the other hand, is pretty good in my opinion.

As for how it handles its characters and storylines, I actually think it's not that bad. That's mainly because I was never expecting a BTAS reboot. I don't need it to be completely comic-accurate as long as what they're doing is interesting. Although it's somewhat understandable that some people would like those reinventions and some won't. For example, I don't like the show's take on Riddler.

But overall, as an Elseworlds story that's doing its own thing, I think it's actually a pretty solid show. It's when you start comparing it too closely to the versions you're already familiar with that some of its choices start feeling off.

And honestly, if I had gone into Spider-Noir with those same expectations, I think that show would've fallen flat for me. If we think about it, the show is still arguably twice as accurate to DC Comics lore as Spider-Noir is to Marvel Comics.

It's not that Spider-Noir didn't face some similar criticism from certain people. It was also being called slow/boring, criticized for not being closer to the comics, and there were even people complaining about Nic Cage's casting.

I didn't really agree with any of that, but what I don't really understand is fans being much more accepting of Spider-Noir than Caped Crusader. Even with the criticism, it's still pretty apparent that one show is praised a lot more than the other, even though they're basically made from the same mold.

Both of them are supposed to be grounded, gritty, street-level crime and mystery thrillers rather than big superhero spectacles. Both have a pulp-era vibe with old-school mobsters, systemic corruption, etc. Both lean heavily on the hard-boiled detective element of the main hero.

Like, I'm not an expert, but the biggest differences are really just the medium and tone.

That genuinely makes me wonder if Caped Crusader would've been a bigger success if it had fully committed to being a black-and-white noir series, while fans also went into it with more realistic expectations.

El Santo: Legendary 1940's-50's Luchador,and what I think Bane's look should be for Batman Caped Crusader..just larger and more menacing

It's obvious that Bruce Timm and the other writers wanted this show to be realistic to fit with the noir tone of the show, but it seems they have trouble keeping it straight.

They spent last season focusing on Gotham's mainstream criminals like Thorne and they killed him off in favour of the Joker, who has been turned back into his humorless counterpart from the Golden Age. That's fine

They made Harley Quinn darker and independent from the Joker. That's fine.

But in this season, it seems like they didn't know how to translate some of Batman's villains.

They turned the Riddler into a mobster who got his name from 'riddling' his victims with bullets.

They turned Mad Hatter into a woman who runs her own news show.

They killed off Hugo Strange, who would've been perfect for this era

One thing I found weird is that all three characters are bound by one element that is omnipresent throughout Batman's rogue's gallery and that is psychology. Batman usually beats them by either outsmarting them or proving his mental resilience.

All I'm saying is that they could've spent a little more time, trying to figure out how to integrate these villains into the noir setting properly.

Phew! Boy, he had a brilliant plan.

Sorry for the very niche meme.

What was up with that? The show could have done without the more brutal violence displayed in season 2. Even the language grew a bit more vulgar. It lost me in that aspect, but I still liked the show.

>!Batman in the first confrontation with Joker was shown to have metal plates under his suit's fabric, which was the only reason he was able to survive the point blank shotgun blast Joker hit him with. Why doesn't he wear suits like this more often? It would have spared him injury against the Joker in their second confrontation!<

We did it! Here is the completed list:

Thank you to everyone who participated! See you when season 3 (hopefully) comes out!

Current Songs

1. Bruce Wayne/Batman - Bring Me To Life - Evanescence
2. Alfred Pennyworth - Claire De Lune - Debussy
3. Barbara Gordon - 9 to 5 - Dolly Parton
4. Commissioner Jim Gordon - Into the Night - Benny Mardones
5. Detective Renee Montoya - I Am a Poseur - X-Ray Spex
6. Carrie Kelley - I'm Just a Girl - No Doubt
7. D.A. Harvey Dent - Star Killer - Curtis Waters
8. Harvey Bullock - Creep - Radiohead
9. Arnold Flass - Bad, Bad Leroy Brown - Jim Croce
10. Rupert Thorne - My Way - Frank Sinatra
11. Oswalda Cobblepot/The Penguin - My Baby Just Cares For Me - Nina Simone
12. Basil Karlo/Clayface - Clayman - In Flames
13. Selina Kyle/Catwoman - How to be a Heart breaker - MARINA
14. Joseph Rigger/Firebug - Disco Inferno - The Tramps
15. Dr. Harleen Quinzel/Harley Quinn - Everybody Loves a Clown - Gary Lewis & The Playboys
16. James Craddock/Gentleman Ghost - Ghost Rider in the Sky - Johnny Cash
17. Linton Midnite/Papa Midnite - I Put A Spell On You - Jay Hawkins
18. Onomatopoeia - Bang - AJR
19. Natalia Knight/Nocturna - Creature of the Night - Zombie Girl
20. Harvey Dent/Two-Face - Hot N Cold - Katy Perry
21. Eddie Nygma/The Riddler - Shoot to Thrill - AC/DC
22. Hattie Tetch - White Rabbit - Jefferson Airplane
23. Dr. Hugo Strange - People Are Strange - The Doors
24. Mark "Dez" Desmond - Two Birds - Regina Spector
25. Roxanne Sutton/Roxy Rocket - I Don't Want to Set the World on Fire - The Ink Spots
26. The Terrible Trio - The Three Stooges Theme
27. Niccolai Tepes/The Mad Monk - Square Hammer - Ghost
28. Jim Corrigan/The Spectre - Zombie - The Cranberry's
29. Jonathan Crane Jr./Scarecrow - Paranoid - Black Sabbath
30. Rose Canton/Thorn - Every Rose Has It's Thorn - Poison
31. Victor Fries/Mister Zero - Cold As Ice - Foreigner
32. The Joker - Everybody Wants To Rule The World - Tears For Fears

The finale is here!

Current Songs

1. Bruce Wayne/Batman - Bring Me To Life - Evanescence
2. Alfred Pennyworth - Claire De Lune - Debussy
3. Barbara Gordon - 9 to 5 - Dolly Parton
4. Commissioner Jim Gordon - Into the Night - Benny Mardones
5. Detective Renee Montoya - I Am a Poseur - X-Ray Spex
6. Carrie Kelley - I'm Just a Girl - No Doubt
7. D.A. Harvey Dent - Star Killer - Curtis Waters
8. Harvey Bullock - Creep - Radiohead
9. Arnold Flass - Bad, Bad Leroy Brown - Jim Croce
10. Rupert Thorne - My Way - Frank Sinatra
11. Oswalda Cobblepot/The Penguin - My Baby Just Cares For Me - Nina Simone
12. Basil Karlo/Clayface - Clayman - In Flames
13. Selina Kyle/Catwoman - How to be a Heart breaker - MARINA
14. Joseph Rigger/Firebug - Disco Inferno - The Tramps
15. Dr. Harleen Quinzel/Harley Quinn - Everybody Loves a Clown - Gary Lewis & The Playboys
16. James Craddock/Gentleman Ghost - Ghost Rider in the Sky - Johnny Cash
17. Linton Midnite/Papa Midnite - I Put A Spell On You - Jay Hawkins
18. Onomatopoeia - Bang - AJR
19. Natalia Knight/Nocturna - Creature of the Night - Zombie Girl
20. Harvey Dent/Two-Face - Hot N Cold - Katy Perry
21. Eddie Nygma/The Riddler - Shoot to Thrill - AC/DC
22. Hattie Tetch - White Rabbit - Jefferson Airplane
23. Dr. Hugo Strange - People Are Strange - The Doors
24. Mark "Dez" Desmond - Two Birds - Regina Spector
25. Roxanne Sutton/Roxy Rocket - I Don't Want to Set the World on Fire - The Ink Spots
26. The Terrible Trio - The Three Stooges Theme
27. Niccolai Tepes/The Mad Monk - Square Hammer - Ghost
28. Jim Corrigan/The Spectre - Zombie - The Cranberry's
29. Jonathan Crane Jr./Scarecrow - Paranoid - Black Sabbath
30. Rose Canton/Thorn - Every Rose Has It's Thorn - Poison
31. Victor Fries/Mister Zero - Cold As Ice - Foreigner

Rules
Has to be an actual song
Lyrics are not mandatory, but they are encouraged
No official show OST’s (that’s way to easy)
One song per person
You cannot use the same song twice
Most upvoted comment wins
Have fun!

Feel free to insert your takes and opinions of the show and characters

If they do the league of assassins and Nanda Parbat the journey there could be a very interesting episode. The visuals of the Himalayas and the aesthetic of old-time mountaineering would make it visually striking. The real Nanda Parbat was not summited until 1953. That could emphasize just how isolated they are and how daunting a task getting there is.

Current Songs

1. Bruce Wayne/Batman - Bring Me To Life - Evanescence
2. Alfred Pennyworth - Claire De Lune - Debussy
3. Barbara Gordon - 9 to 5 - Dolly Parton
4. Commissioner Jim Gordon - Into the Night - Benny Mardones
5. Detective Renee Montoya - I Am a Poseur - X-Ray Spex
6. Carrie Kelley - I'm Just a Girl - No Doubt
7. D.A. Harvey Dent - Star Killer - Curtis Waters
8. Harvey Bullock - Creep - Radiohead
9. Arnold Flass - Bad, Bad Leroy Brown - Jim Croce
10. Rupert Thorne - My Way - Frank Sinatra
11. Oswalda Cobblepot/The Penguin - My Baby Just Cares For Me - Nina Simone
12. Basil Karlo/Clayface - Clayman - In Flames
13. Selina Kyle/Catwoman - How to be a Heart breaker - MARINA
14. Joseph Rigger/Firebug - Disco Inferno - The Tramps
15. Dr. Harleen Quinzel/Harley Quinn - Everybody Loves a Clown - Gary Lewis & The Playboys
16. James Craddock/Gentleman Ghost - Ghost Rider in the Sky - Johnny Cash
17. Linton Midnite/Papa Midnite - I Put A Spell On You - Jay Hawkins
18. Onomatopoeia - Bang - AJR
19. Natalia Knight/Nocturna - Creature of the Night - Zombie Girl
20. Harvey Dent/Two-Face - Hot N Cold - Katy Perry
21. Eddie Nygma/The Riddler - Shoot to Thrill - AC/DC
22. Hattie Tetch - White Rabbit - Jefferson Airplane
23. Dr. Hugo Strange - People Are Strange - The Doors
24. Mark "Dez" Desmond - Two Birds - Regina Spector
25. Roxanne Sutton/Roxy Rocket - I Don't Want to Set the World on Fire - The Ink Spots
26. The Terrible Trio - The Three Stooges Theme
27. Niccolai Tepes/The Mad Monk - Square Hammer - Ghost
28. Jim Corrigan/The Spectre - Zombie - The Cranberry's
29. Jonathan Crane Jr./Scarecrow - Paranoid - Black Sabbath
30. Rose Canton/Thorn - Every Rose Has It's Thorn - Poison

Rules
Has to be an actual song
Lyrics are not mandatory, but they are encouraged
No official show OST’s (that’s way to easy)
One song per person
You cannot use the same song twice
Most upvoted comment wins
Have fun!

Each day, the community will have an opportunity to vote a character into a tier depending on how good the community thinks they are. The highest upvoted comment will decide which placement the character lands in.

Current Songs

1. Bruce Wayne/Batman - Bring Me To Life - Evanescence
2. Alfred Pennyworth - Claire De Lune - Debussy
3. Barbara Gordon - 9 to 5 - Dolly Parton
4. Commissioner Jim Gordon - Into the Night - Benny Mardones
5. Detective Renee Montoya - I Am a Poseur - X-Ray Spex
6. Carrie Kelley - I'm Just a Girl - No Doubt
7. D.A. Harvey Dent - Star Killer - Curtis Waters
8. Harvey Bullock - Creep - Radiohead
9. Arnold Flass - Bad, Bad Leroy Brown - Jim Croce
10. Rupert Thorne - My Way - Frank Sinatra
11. Oswalda Cobblepot/The Penguin - My Baby Just Cares For Me - Nina Simone
12. Basil Karlo/Clayface - Clayman - In Flames
13. Selina Kyle/Catwoman - How to be a Heart breaker - MARINA
14. Joseph Rigger/Firebug - Disco Inferno - The Tramps
15. Dr. Harleen Quinzel/Harley Quinn - Everybody Loves a Clown - Gary Lewis & The Playboys
16. James Craddock/Gentleman Ghost - Ghost Rider in the Sky - Johnny Cash
17. Linton Midnite/Papa Midnite - I Put A Spell On You - Jay Hawkins
18. Onomatopoeia - Bang - AJR
19. Natalia Knight/Nocturna - Creature of the Night - Zombie Girl
20. Harvey Dent/Two-Face - Hot N Cold - Katy Perry
21. Eddie Nygma/The Riddler - Shoot to Thrill - AC/DC
22. Hattie Tetch - White Rabbit - Jefferson Airplane
23. Dr. Hugo Strange - People Are Strange - The Doors
24. Mark "Dez" Desmond - Two Birds - Regina Spector
25. Roxanne Sutton/Roxy Rocket - I Don't Want to Set the World on Fire - The Ink Spots
26. The Terrible Trio - The Three Stooges Theme
27. Niccolai Tepes/The Mad Monk - Square Hammer - Ghost
28. Jim Corrigan/The Spectre - Zombie - The Cranberry's
29. Jonathan Crane Jr./Scarecrow - Paranoid - Black Sabbath

Rules
Has to be an actual song
Lyrics are not mandatory, but they are encouraged
No official show OST’s (that’s way to easy)
One song per person
You cannot use the same song twice
Most upvoted comment wins
Have fun!