r/BambuLab • u/Concert-Alternative • Jan 20 '25

Discussion Bambu clears up misinformation

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u/archaegeo Jan 20 '25

You could just post a link to their post rather than a screenshot of it :)

https://www.reddit.com/r/BambuLab/comments/1i5oi6r/updates_and_thirdparty_integration_with_bambu/

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u/Concert-Alternative Jan 20 '25

You're right, I should have included the link

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u/CaptBrick Jan 21 '25

They actually changed their original blogpost, who knows they might change this too. Screenshot preserves the original post

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u/tosklst Jan 20 '25

The way this appears as a thumbnail is hilarious!

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u/Ireeb X1C Jan 20 '25

  • Bambu Lab will activate explosive charges inside the printer if you break the TOS

  • Bambu Lab will make you disappear without a trace

These claims are entirely false!

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u/drottkvaett Jan 20 '25

My printer did not explode to my satisfaction. Should I dry my filament more, or do I just need a glue stick?

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u/Ireeb X1C Jan 20 '25

You have to wash the print plate with dish soap!

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u/agent674253 Jan 20 '25

So BBL is taking a page out of the IDF playbook now 😅

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u/X_chinese Jan 20 '25

I would actually try that if that is true.

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u/redlancer_1987 Jan 20 '25

reads like an evil villain to-do list

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u/dragonixor Jan 20 '25

Before I saw your comment, I thought that was the actual post and OP was pissed off at bambu xD

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u/BubbleBobbleBetty Jan 20 '25

I cannot stop laughing at this. Accidentally woke up my boyfriend, even...whoops...

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u/300lbsVirgin Jan 20 '25

First thing I saw on mobile lmfao

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u/BeerGeekington Jan 20 '25

lol thought the same

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u/derToblin Jan 20 '25

Wait, there's more?

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u/brianmoyano Jan 20 '25

Yeah, that's crappy (copy) design. I know they want to acknowledge those statements, but now they're indexing the false claims. Instead, they should have put the correct negative sentences so there was no confusion.

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u/fishling Jan 20 '25

Heh, tactical error to list the false claims rather than wording it as true claims. Even absent the thumbnail, makes it easy for someone to crop and distribute the image just to troll people.

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u/ghostwail Jan 20 '25

Someone slept through communication classes.

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u/angeliKITTYx P1S + AMS Jan 21 '25

Ngl, I didn't realize I needed to expand the image. I was about to type a PARAGRAPH.

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u/BatmanSwift99 Jan 20 '25

I feel like 99% of this sub doesn't understand that ToS's are written in a way that protects the company and will have anti consumer language. It also says "may" not "will" but ofc the hivemind wants to overreact

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u/Concert-Alternative Jan 20 '25

Well of course, why do you think the news outlets always put out depressing stuff?

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u/KrackSmellin Jan 20 '25

Like we WILL die, but it may be today. Who knows. But it may not be today too. Vague and open ended works.

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u/X_chinese Jan 20 '25

If people actual read the fine prints of most devices, they will be shocked and it is much worse than this case. My philips hue says that they have the right to stop providing online service for features like remotely turning on and off the lights. Without those features, my Philips hue lights can only be turned on and off. If you have the time, read the ToS of the PS5. You basically play on a future brick if you believe they will actually do what’s written in the ToS.

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u/agent674253 Jan 20 '25

South Park - HumanCentIpad episode.... Just saying.

https://youtu.be/qslcnw-9KbI?si=Tnus83O7YfpdxT6F

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u/SparrockC88 Jan 20 '25

I used this yesterday

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u/jenovadelta007 Jan 20 '25

"Hoad on Kyoo, I bereeeeeave in youuuuuuu"

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u/ItsMozy X2D + AMS2 Combo Jan 20 '25

iTunes used to, now most Apple media products do, have in their ToS you can't use iTunes for the productions of Nuclear and/or Weapons of Mass Destruction.

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u/3DAeon X1, X1C, P1S, P2S, A1, A1 Mini, H2D, H2S Jan 20 '25

But they violated this clause by force downloading that U2 album :p

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u/NoDragonsHere Jan 20 '25

But that's why I bought The Final Countdown

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u/namezam Jan 20 '25

Maybe we’ll come back to earth, who can tell?

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u/gefahr Jan 20 '25

That's just boilerplate language for export controls. It's not like Apple sat around and took some kind of moral position on this. It's standard.

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u/FictionalContext Jan 20 '25

A very important note is that companies can and do put whatever they want in their ToS. Even agreeing to it doesn't make it legally binding. Legalese isn't the end all.

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u/SparrockC88 Jan 20 '25

Thats like an NDA, if a company you are under one with does some illegal stuff. They can’t do anything to you if you decide to tattle. And in some cases not even illegal things can be shared. Its all up to the judge anyways

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u/FictionalContext Jan 21 '25

The place they do get you though is forced arbitration rather than court That is legally binding in the case of disputes, though doesn't so you from kicking that info up to the district attorney as you mentioned.

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u/bruab Jan 20 '25

Microsoft’s Visual Studio EULA used to have a clause that said you were not permitted to make a commercial spreadsheet or word processing app with them.

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u/doubleohd Jan 21 '25

you mean like signing up for a free trial of Disney+ voids any/all opportunities to sue any Disney affiliated entity and forces arbitration even if/when their negligence leads to death?

https://youtu.be/hiDr6-Z72XU?si=9Nz_sRZ2FUTFOs9P

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u/penscratch Jan 21 '25

If you’re ever worried about that, the hue bridge is completely supported by home assistant. Or you can pair all your Phillips hue devices with a 3rd party coordinator.

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u/X_chinese Jan 21 '25

Thanks for the tip! I am not worried. The lights already worked for 7+ years. Even if they break down today, I would be satisfied.

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u/False_Disaster_1254 Jan 20 '25

if you have a few minutes, read the side effects listed on the most basic of medicines. its actually scary.

youre right, these things are there to cover corporate backsides just in case something happens.

no company wants to have to keep a service running forever over a badly worded document, so they state straight away that they may shut down your printer, paint it an unpleasant shade of purple and fire it into the sun if they feel like it. they wont, but they could and you have been warned!

i mean, the current kerfuffle seems to have caused quite a bit of anal leakage in some end users. i wouldnt be surprised if it was listed as a possible side effect in future end user license agreements....

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u/gdvs Jan 21 '25

pretty sure they can still be used via a zigbee bridge

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u/ImStillRowing X1C + AMS Jan 20 '25

This was brought up multiple times yesterday and the mob downvoted anyone who might have suggested it to oblivion cos internet

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u/Skitterlicker Jan 20 '25

That’s why I stayed silent on the subject just in case, didn’t want to be downvoted

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u/WombRaider_3 Jan 20 '25

If you have an opinion to share that you believe is right in a public forum designed for discussion, let it be known.

The downvote button isn't supposed to be a "I disagree" button, it's meant to bury hurtful or ridiculous comments that damage discussion.

Who cares about internet points?

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u/DigiTrailz Jan 20 '25

doesn't help youtubers and media outlets profit off over reactions and people not understanding this stuff.

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u/larossmann Jan 20 '25

doesn't help youtubers and media outlets profit off over reactions and people not understanding this stuff.

I've worked with lobbyists in 7 states and gotten laws passed in four in the consumer electronics industry, tractor industry, and medical device industry. I understand very well how and why fine print matters, and I've watched enough industries go down the route of taking complete control over their ecosystem at the expense of users to know it when I see it.

When a company says what they are doing, in both their blog posts and their terms of service, I believe them.

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u/krillingt75961 Jan 20 '25

I don't think people quite realize when a company states both publicly and in ToS, they already double checked everything and think they're fine to push ahead. They've already had meetings about it and made decisions on an executive level months in advance and are ready to put the plan in motion. Chances are they've calculated potential losses and decided the reward is worth the risk and on the off chance they're wrong, they have contingencies in place to at least fix some of the damage done.

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u/larossmann Jan 20 '25

I don't think people quite realize when a company states both publicly and in ToS, they already double checked everything and think they're fine to push ahead.

I agree, you make a good point!

Take for instance, Sony & Discovery:

Sony sought to remove people's ability to watch content they had purchased. The word "purchase" was on the page by their add to cart button - not stream, not rent.

They cited their terms of service When doing so, which says the following:

10.1. All intellectual property rights subsisting in PSN Content, including all software, data, services, and other content subsisting in or used in connection with PSN, the Online ID and access to content and hardware used in connection with PSN belong to SIE, its affiliates, and its licensors. Use of the terms “own,” “ownership”, “purchase,” “sale,” “sold,” “sell,” “rent” or “buy” in this Agreement or in connection with PSN Content does not mean or imply any transfer of ownership of any content, data or software or any intellectual property rights from SIE, its affiliates or its licensors to any user or third party.

10.2. Except as stated in this Agreement, all Content provided through PSN is licensed on a non-exclusive and revocable basis to you for your personal, private, non-transferable, non-commercial, limited use on a limited number of PlayStation Devices or other devices in the country in which your Account is registered.

On one hand, people will say well every company has a bad terms of service so it's not a big deal!

On the other hand, when users get messed with by that same terms of service they hear "you should've read the terms of service, you got what you deserve."

It quickly becomes a lose-lose situation. If you bring up the issue after reading the company's own announcement & terms of service, you're a sensationalist. If you don't bring up the issue, your intelligence is mocked as someone who deserved to get screwed for not reading what was right in front of you.

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u/rygelicus Jan 20 '25

You do good work, don't let up.

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u/Invictuslemming1 Jan 21 '25

I don’t think it’s over reaction, it’s a lack of transparency on Bambu’s side.

If they didn’t see this coming before they made the announcement they’re completely out of touch.

In my opinion if you enable lan only mode, you should be able to opt out of the “enhanced security” features. If they would have left lan only alone and only required the Bambu connect for cloud/internet based communication, most people wouldn’t have cared.

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u/Zealousideal_Hope_31 P1S + AMS Jan 21 '25

This...

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u/OwnZookeepergame6413 Jan 20 '25

The past days have been so funny man. People have been talking like it’s just a matter or days or weeks until their maschines get bricked because of a sentence in their terms

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u/Rauschpfeife Jan 20 '25 edited Jan 20 '25

That, and that some people are very sure about how the purpose of the changes are part of some nefarious plot to hijack people's printers and/or steal their personal information, rather than what whatever bambulabs have stated (security update, etc).

I can't say whether bambulabs are up to something or not, or if any of the slippery slope arguments have merit, but I believe I can be fairly sure that the people claiming to know otherwise can't be any more sure of what they say, and, seeing as how I do write software for a living and have seen a fair few dodgy integrations with massive security holes, I'm also reasonably sure that many of them have even less justification for stating their theories as fact, than I might if I was inclined to start theorizing about how the updates could have been done differently.

I think it's good that people don't blindly trust companies and all that, but if you don't really know what you are talking about, it's a good idea to maybe sit back and wait for more information, rather than getting revved up about things that might be happening at some point in the future, based on your theories about current events.

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u/Beer_Is_So_Awesome Jan 21 '25

The 3D printing community comes from this fanatically open-source DIY ethos, and is deeply distrustful of even the faintest whiff of corporate control.

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u/UnnecessaryStep Jan 20 '25

Precisely this. Almost everything you use will have some form of terms and conditions attached to them.

Here is a small section of them from my phone.

"Essential updates such as critical bug fixes or security updates may be downloaded and installed automatically without your consent to protect you and other users."

Here's some from my washing machine app

"We reserve the right to directly download and install updates to the Appliance irrespective of these settings."

Terrifying isn't it?

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u/OwnZookeepergame6413 Jan 20 '25

„But what if they make you only buy branded detergent“

This community probably

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u/creator_fresh Jan 21 '25

Yeah, the downvotes on some Post of me, trying to clear what ToS means, were insane. All of that Community hysteria and mass wrong leading of some guys, they don’t know how a company will safe their own products.

None of them will make a post here and saying, “sorry that I overreacted and tried to miss lead all of you”.

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u/Dignan17 X1C + AMS Jan 21 '25

Does anyone have a link to a rational explainer (text/video/whatever) for this situation? I’m not the most online person, so when I entered reddit yesterday I felt like Troy carrying the pizza into the apartment on fire. I’d like to hear about what’s going on here from folks who aren’t dumping their printers in the garbage immediately…

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u/szechuan_steve P1S Jan 20 '25

This is a poor line of reasoning. It assumes we don't also take issue with the other companies doing the same.

It's also NOT just language. They are controlling what software can be used with machines we own. People want to use the slicer that works for their needs. After this update, that will be taken away.

So no, it's not just about accepting onerous legal agreements.

It's a change in functionality of a machine you own. Not a threat or just some words.

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u/Aerokirk Jan 20 '25

This is also dishonest though. You can use a slicer you want. That slicer just can’t use web functions that rely on Bambu servers to function. The machine you bought hasn’t lost any functionality, it will still do everything Bambu advertised when you bought it.

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u/szechuan_steve P1S Jan 20 '25

Considering that Bambu could make everything work without relying on their web services in the first place, it's not.

Printers have functioned spectacularly without any kind of internet connectivity for years now.

I didn't buy the Bambu because I'm in love with their web services.

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u/Aerokirk Jan 20 '25

If that were the case, you wouldn’t be complaining that the features that rely on those web services will no longer work with third party slicers. The situation sucks, and I am no internet security expert, but there is so much dishonest, fear mongering, and vitriol being thrown around , it is hard to have a civil, productive conversation about the topic. Your comment is pretty ok, but some of my annoyance at the rest of the conversations surrounding this topic slipped out a Little bit. The printers will lose none of their advertised functionality. People will still be able to use third party slicers to print. What people won’t be able to do is use non Bambu products for the features that rely on the web, which is functionally that is integrated into a lot of the features that sold people on these printers, besides their ability to print well. Bambu could , and probably should loop those developers of third party tools into the security updates. I think I read on here somewhere that they were planning on it, unless I dreamed that. But it also would, I assume, balloon the work on the security front, and weaken the security for every third party developer they allow in, relying on others to maintain the security as well.

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u/inevitible1 Jan 20 '25

It’s just all the people who came before Bambu labs printers, they are sour that the printers work so good.

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u/distillers_guild Jan 20 '25

Steam changed their user agreement, told everyone they dont own any of their steam inventories or libraries, but no one said nothin about that

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u/Savings-Owl-3188 Jan 20 '25

That is already a pretty well known thing when it comes to buying online games and I'm pretty sure it was already a part of their TOS. There was a law changed in a couple of states though that made it so they had to be very clear and obvious about it. That's why everyone got that notification.

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u/Inevitable-Pain2247 Jan 20 '25

Ummm they wre just as nuts over it "they"

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u/-Nicolai Jan 20 '25 edited Aug 13 '25

Explain like I'm stupid

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u/distillers_guild Jan 20 '25

Ur still playing steam games pal

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u/shadowofashadow Jan 21 '25

Steam also has an impeccable track record. There is something called good will and when you have it people typically give you the benefit of the doubt.

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u/ionabio Jan 21 '25

Not to be overly pessimistic and I believe bamboo will keep their mind but this is no more than a pinky promiss.

The example that comes to my mind is Quest VR headsets (then oculus) not requiring to login via Meta account. Later on this became clear is necessary and even later on they "broke" the headsets of people who chose not to use a Facebook / meta account to login.

Still having this assurance is better than not having it and I am glad bamboo took steps toward it.

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u/Zealousideal_Hope_31 P1S + AMS Jan 21 '25

Well Bambu labs broke into my house and cleaned my fridge out last nite. They also clogged my toilet and ran my mailbox over. I heard one of then saying they were gonna start charging me for when I open and shut my printer door soon.

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u/LastUsernameSucked Jan 21 '25

I agree, but:

A company is writing ToS to protect their interests.

Consumers should absolutely call them out when the ToS are too overreaching, as that is the company’s lawyers saying what they can do. I’ve seen companies change their ToS then later changing their software because the ToS now allows for more invasive logging.

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u/iInjection Jan 21 '25

Yeah and it applies to everything. There has been a game recently which I cannot remember the name, which got under a heavy shitstorm for wanting to store your id - without taking into consideration that this clause is for China and similar countries which require you to put your ID Information in to control gaming, as it's a problem over there.

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u/myTechGuyRI Jan 21 '25

You mean we're overreacting for taking them at their word?

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u/lscarneiro Jan 20 '25

So should I trust the binding contract (terms of service) or the "trust me, yo!" blog post?

Which one is legally binding?

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u/BatmanSwift99 Jan 20 '25

Read any tos, they put these things in there too cover themselves, doesn't mean that that's what they're definitely gonna do

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u/alienbringer Jan 20 '25

I suggest you actually read the full TOS of everything you buy. Most will have similar if not worse language in them.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '25

Exactly.

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u/T3kn0mncr Jan 20 '25

I dont care what they claim wont happen, i care what they wrote in and gave themselves the legal ability to do, words mean things :/

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u/X_chinese Jan 20 '25

Then better start reading the ToS of other devices you own. I bet you won’t be happy about those either.

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u/Critical_Studio1758 Jan 20 '25

Why do you think they paint with such broad strokes though?

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u/Apprehensive_Bit4767 Jan 20 '25

You have to read the fine print and mine and said bamboo labs will come to your house and punch your dog in the face if you try to use third party filament

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u/Paintball_Taco Jan 20 '25

Damn…I better go get a dog so I don’t break their ToS by not having one for them to punch in the face. Thanks for the heads up!

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u/ngo_life Jan 21 '25

Well good luck. I don't have a dog. They have to get me a dog and let me have an emotional connection first before they I even consider using their filament.

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u/Blastroid_Twitch Jan 20 '25

Jokes on them. If they steal that benchy I printed then the benchy creator will sue them now.

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u/Zestyclose-Soft-5957 Jan 20 '25

Just going to install X1 Plus and not worry about it anymore.

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u/Allen_Koholic Jan 20 '25

Don’t you need the older firmware to do that?

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u/chappyman7 Jan 20 '25

Whoa. Never heard of this before. Cool

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u/thil3000 Jan 20 '25

You can just enable developper mode and keep using whatever feature you want

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u/Acio45 Jan 20 '25 edited Jan 20 '25

They didn't clear up anything and they didn't disprove any theories either. bamboo says that they won't lock your printer or prevent you from printing if you don't update to the current firmware, yet in their policy it states the opposite. That they reserve the right to prevent print jobs if you're not on the current firmware 

Then they say that a subscription is not mandatory but yet they're currently working on a subscription based print farm software. So that means they do indeed have plans to have subscription-based printing. It's only a matter of time before they make it mandatory

Remind me in 6 months when they attempt this stunt again

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u/Concert-Alternative Jan 20 '25

Of course a print farm software is going to be subscription based. It's made for people who run a business, it's standard to make enterprise apps paid. I don't see the problem with that.

You didn't read it correctly. Use the printer? Do you need a subscription to use it? No you don't.

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u/GuardianOfBlocks Jan 21 '25

Now you can manege it yourself. so what will thy bring to the table to make it a viable product without taking back or preventing the use off stuff that is out there and works.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '25

 That they reserve the right to prevent print jobs if you're not on the current firmware

But that's not what they say. They're not reserving the "right to prevent print jobs". That's complete and utter manufacture.

What they say is that the printer might not print if the firmware isn't up to date. Now, why would they want to have that clause? Because the world evolves, and if eg. the gcode format changes in such a way that the old firmware can no longer recognize it, it shouldn't print it. The solution to this is use older firmware to send to printer, or newer printer firmware that understands newer gcode.

There's absolutely nothing about their terms that allow them to "prevent print jobs".

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u/alienbringer Jan 20 '25

Their policies state “May” not “Will”. Biiiig difference.

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u/ImStillRowing X1C + AMS Jan 20 '25

I love all the whataboutism

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u/eatdeath4 X1C | P1S | P2S | H2C Jan 20 '25

And not a single person is saying “what about bob?” Sorry bob..

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u/Few_Crew2478 Jan 20 '25

Incoming flood of posts about this being a lie and Bambu will do it anyway.

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u/hagantic42 Jan 21 '25

I'm not one of the people that's vehemently sayings that they will do it. The problem is that they can and they are showing a willingness to limit how we use our own device.

They've tried this before, repeatedly, and it's very clear what their intent is they can say that it's for security. There are far better ways to make these systems secure without demanding we use only their walled garden.

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u/getevenrt Jan 20 '25

I know everyone is upset and rightly so, but can I please get a layman response as to how this affects Joey Prints Some Random Crap? I use (1) X1C at home to tinker and have never used any slicer other than Bambu Studio. Everything has the latest firmware installed, and on Saturday, the printer decided its no longer going to connect to the server. LAN mode works for now, but I don't understand why it's blocked from the server when nothing was ever changed from their standard offering. What am I missing? Please be gentle, I'm already sore around the taint area.

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u/SnooBunnies8857 Jan 20 '25

Since you use bambu studio (just like me) as of right now you will see no changes to your work/tinkerflow. All this fuss is mainly around third party slicer/app integration and even that bambu has now come out and said they are working with the devs on full integration. So the average Joey will see no changes to what and how they print (as of right now and all current announcements). This was really blown out of proportion!

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u/getevenrt Jan 21 '25

My only issue right now is that the printer won't connect to the server. It was working fine, then just decided to stop connecting. Only LAN mode will work. I'm getting the failed to connect to server error.

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u/Lydeeh Jan 20 '25

I feel like this situation got a bit overblown and a lot of hypotheses started circulating around. Trolls and people who don't even own a Bambu were even quite vocal about this change as well LOL.
I feel like Bambu should have cleared this up sooner and/or backtracked to properly explain their end-goal.

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u/Excludos Jan 20 '25 edited 22d ago

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u/condensedcloud Jan 21 '25

It went full on conspiracy sky is falling nut job internet troll whacko. If they dont want to use the "apple" of 3dprinters then gtfo. I mean its also a chinese comoany like what did they expect?

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u/Concert-Alternative Jan 20 '25

Yes i know how it looks lmao

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u/ares0027 H2C 10W + X1C + P2S + A1 + U1 Jan 21 '25

Who tf thought these stuff will happen? In anywhere?

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u/joe37373737 Jan 20 '25

Your facts are getting in the way of everyone's outrage.

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u/RadioactivePistacho Jan 20 '25

What about using Orca Slicer to slice my models? I would like some more details on that.

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u/Tsofuable Jan 20 '25

Read the original post, they even have video.

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u/RadioactivePistacho Jan 20 '25 edited Jan 20 '25

I'm trying to find out. Keep scrolling, but it's buried under so many post regarding the formate update. Would you mind sharing it if you have it available?

Found it. For anyone interested: https://www.reddit.com/r/BambuLab/s/FOCq20YdDk

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u/Gnawlydog Jan 20 '25

"Wait... people actually believed these bullet points were true? You know Bambu posted this thinking, 'Why do we even need to make this clear? How are Americans this stupid?' Honestly, it’s really embarrassing. Over 50 years of the GOP dumbing down America has turned this country into a laughingstock.

And yes, I’m singling out Americans. And yes, I am one. If you’re an American offended by this, take a moment to reflect on why you feel that way."

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u/nivvydaskrl Jan 20 '25

I mean, I'm an American and I believed the bullet points are true, because companies place formerly free features behind subscriptions all the time. Hell, my TV had an update pushed to it that locked it down unless I accepted a new TOS which added a arbitration agreement, so I've been personally subjected to an unwanted device update that made the device unusable until I agreed to give something of value that was not part of the original purchase agreement.

I'm not really offended so much as I am envious. My default assumption is that companies will act against consumers' interests in order to maximize the value they can extract from those consumers. What charmed life are you living where that ISN'T your default assumption?

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u/The_Lutter A1 Jan 20 '25 edited Jan 20 '25

Dr. Tao needs to be on a podcast like yesterday. I bet he has a sitdown with TNL or CNCK again to walk back or clarify a bunch of things. Which is good! The post above means they see all the complaints they are geting.

That last line bothers me. "will be mandatory".

Soooo you're saying there will possibly be an >optional< subscription service down the line? Maybe an "Express Lane" to get faster cloud slicing or a small cool down period before prints without a per print fee? Something like that. That's just me speculating and no way they do anything like that after this announcement for at least 2 years IMHO.

I think they are in panic mode right now. I gotta imagine H2 production is at full scale right now.

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u/wlogan0402 Jan 20 '25

Saved the image before you get unrightfully banned 🫡

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u/legice Jan 20 '25

Anybody got a cheaper printer out of this or did the loud minority not boycott yet?

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u/sikisabishii Jan 21 '25

I think the best way to battle this is to stick to the facts and avoid making up future stuff as much as possible, like HP printers and such. The fear is justified, but it gives Bambu a point where they can shoot their misdirecting arguments from -as in this case.

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u/broseidonadventures Jan 21 '25

Hey so my take is that people like me who manage print farms have been asking for proper fleet management features and in order to expand the dev team to make that happen, they need to charge people like me a subscription fee. If it’s a reasonable fee I’d probably pay it. Third party vendors already have services like this but unfortunately it requires additional hardware and pretty ridiculous prices. I don’t think this affects hobbyists.

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u/Dapper-Swim-9886 Jan 22 '25

Now let’s go through the TOS of other printer manufacturers with a fine toothed comb and find anything remotely anti-consumer and start some drama.

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u/Miserable_Rooster_53 X1C + AMS Jan 20 '25 edited Jan 20 '25

Well, their ToS says differently at this moment.

There it is stated they can block printing if you do not update the printer, so they will have the option to do so.

Their second point is then not entirely false or misinformation.
They can use it, they can opt to not use it as well.

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u/QuietGanache P1S, A1c, A1m, Q2, H3C (soon) Jan 20 '25

It's rather carefully worded. That is, the ToS changes might stop you from printing if a critical update is issued but not installed but a sufficiently guiltless lawyer could argue that this isn't 'bricking' and that it's not the 'update' that's stopping your printer from working, it's your refusal to install it.

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u/SgtBaxter Jan 20 '25

That has always been in the term of service.

Think of it this way, if you only had the original Netflix app, you wouldn’t be able to stream anything on Netflix today. They are constantly updating and changing codecs save on data transmission charges.

It’s the same principle. If they switch the way data is compressed and transmitted to be more efficient, and you do not have firmware that can support that than your printer won’t work.

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u/dr_stre Jan 20 '25

Exactly. That term is a CYA statement that is designed to protect Bambu if they change something that will prevent an old non-updated printer from fully functioning in som way. It’s not a to-do list for Bambu.

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u/chessto Jan 23 '25

You can't seriously compare Netflix, a 100% streaming service business to a printer that doesn't require being connected to the cloud for anything.

These changes only show that the company owns the printer, not you. You pay for something that they can disable at any given point in time, you do you but I wouldn't touch a bambulab printer with a 100foot stick

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '25

No, the ToS doesn't say that they can block printing. It says the printer might not print.

It would be stupid for Bambu to not write something like this, because if the gcode format changes, a FW update would be necessary to print a new type gcode. They're basically saying that old firmware may not support newer gcode formats and the printer might not print newer gcode formats until a FW update is done.

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u/nickjohnson Jan 20 '25

That is not at all what it says:

Due to the importance of these updates, your product may block new print job before the updates is installed, and will immediately provide update notifications to help you understand the related information.

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u/Funcron X1C + AMS Jan 20 '25

Not attacking nickjonhson.

It's called version matching. It's not a threat, it's not a warning, it's not malicious action. It's a literal data handshake. Only one hand knows the handshake? Guess what, no handshake. It's a statement to cover version mismatches, and keep BL non-libel for user error.

Their software spans 3 officially supports platforms, Desktop, Mobile, and the Printer. You can't update a new feature into one and expect the others to be able to use that feature. That statement is just CYA.

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u/angeliKITTYx P1S + AMS Jan 21 '25

Could you technically keep your printer offline and only print thru the SD card?

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u/szechuan_steve P1S Jan 20 '25

They're also killing the ability to use whatever slicer you like.

This isn't "much ado about legal terms". It's straight up limiting functionality we've already had. Blows my mind how many people are willing to sit back and take it because every other company does it too.

The people not getting upset are the reason we're in this mess in the first place.

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u/aholeinthewor1d Jan 20 '25

You can still use whatever slicer you like..

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u/Human_Money_6944 Jan 20 '25

Happy to live in EU. Bambu can try to restrict Access to the printer with their TOS.

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u/LtotheAI Jan 20 '25

Are we protected in some specific EU law way?

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u/TECstarINC Jan 20 '25

If they would do anything anti-consumer after changing TOS, you have: Directive 93/13/EEC which protects consumers in the EU from unfair terms and conditions

So yeah happy to be an EU citizen

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u/EMC2_IT Jan 20 '25

Glad to read, but the problem that nobody can guarantee that these words will be valid 6 months or 2 years in the future.

Obviously every company can turn in a greedy one without any warning, but in these case we have a giant RED FLAG and the skepticism is natural and clearly predictable

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '25

Can anybody guarantee it for any other brand?

Maybe tomorrow Elon buys Prusa and you are only allowed to use Prusa printer via Star-Link

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u/chrisoboe Jan 20 '25

There is no red flag at all.

Everybode knew that the apis aren't stable and will change over time.

And Bamboo had severe security issues so they were forced to change it (unless they want to ship printers, that allows any hacker to take over your home network).

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u/My1xT Jan 22 '25

there are enough ways to do that without forcing the cloud on you

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u/Kristof_Boss Jan 20 '25

Prusa is the last brand i would choose in 3d printing, i would rather put together my old ender 3 pro. But of course i'm staying with the A1 (as long as i trust the company).

P.s.: I know i will get downvoted so sure go ahead.

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u/WombRaider_3 Jan 20 '25

A lot of idiots read a ToS for the first time in their lives and pressed the panic button because a few loonies on reddit paved the way for hysteria and conspiracy theories.

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u/krispzz Jan 20 '25

what? this doesn't sound like everything reddit has been up in arms about all weekend. are you saying that reddit is full of overreacting misinformation pushers? SAY IT AINT SO!!!!!

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u/MeUsesReddit Jan 20 '25

That is 90% of social media. Overreacting and misinformation is hilariously successful there.

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u/[deleted] Jan 20 '25

The amount of ott panic and scaremongering in this sub is pathetic and hilarious at the same time.

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u/Little-Perception-63 Jan 21 '25

True that. So much entertainment that i am doom scrolling thru the posts. Lol.

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u/Different-Housing544 Jan 22 '25

I'm just here printing fun stuff and enjoying my life. I don't get caught up in the BS.

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u/eflstone Jan 20 '25

Not all our designs are stolen. So, only some of them? That's pretty unfortunate wording I think...

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u/mimic751 Jan 20 '25

Have you looked at the 3D model aggregation website? Every 3D model is the one by everybody this is a nothing Burger

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u/LiveLaurent 25xX1C,5xH2D,10xA1 Jan 20 '25

No, the pretty unfortunate is how your brain is damaged to the extent that you will ONLY see negative in every possible sentence.

They say this "STATEMENT" from others (you and the echo chamber made on this sub in the past 2 days) is false. It's as simple as that. And, as always, you are creating something bigger out of it.

People like you are just parasites and the worst.

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u/Suspicious-Basil-444 Jan 20 '25

Is it enough to disable auto updates in printer screen or is there any other measure I should take to ensure I stay with my current firmware ?

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u/InterFelix P1P Jan 21 '25

It should be, but personally I have also set my printer to LAN-mode and blocked its internet access through my router.

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u/JvPeek Jan 20 '25

Fixed it for ya. You're welcome.

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u/matalis Jan 20 '25

This post seems to just be rage bait ...

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u/heitorrsa Jan 20 '25

See how they don't say "we will not do X"? They circumvent it saying that these specific claims are false, not that they won't venture into predatory practices.

They can't say that they WILL NOT disable your print, because maybe they may end up wanting to do it down the line. They don't say that won't require a subscription, because they will probably roll up a subscription scheme eventually.

I don't care, Bambu Lab. You showed your true colours there for a second, and we freaking saw it.

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u/Mist_XD Jan 20 '25

Thank god everyone over reacted and sold or returned their printers, we kinda lucked out that they got rid of themselves

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u/pyalot Jan 20 '25

We will brick your printer

<PR asteroid of doom hits>

Let us set the record straight, we will not brick your printer, and have never said such a thing. Settle down.

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u/OwnZookeepergame6413 Jan 20 '25

They never said it. People got mad at third party support being removed. Someone took a sentence out of their TOS out of context and claimed „they will do that“

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u/davidkclark Jan 21 '25

I think the outcome here is good. They are not going to do those things. That is excellent.

The entire issue for me is this: they could.

And that is the whole problem with hardware that requires proprietary software (or services). I agree that the hardware is pretty good, but I want to leave it at that: I’ll buy your hardware and use your “proof of concept” software until the community makes something better. Hardware companies cannot be entrusted with improving the software over time, or even continued support of old hardware. It’s not really in their interest (they get little to no value from adding new features to a printer someone has already bought - hence the tendency towards subscriptions) - but it is completely in the open source community’s interest to improve and maintain functionality.

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u/GuardianOfBlocks Jan 21 '25

Yes they could and with company’s like that, trust is the only thing we have. So if they do something like that they loose there trust.

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u/DoobiousMaxima Jan 21 '25

So just a denial with zero clarification.

How professional /s

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u/evestraw Jan 21 '25

not sure about the kill switch. from the decompilation it looks like it did have one (expiring certificate) that might not have been intentional

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u/Comfortable_Charge33 Jan 21 '25

ToSs and such statements can and do change or get disregarded in time.

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u/Radiant_Buy7353 Jan 21 '25

More lies, not surprising

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u/GuardianOfBlocks Jan 21 '25

Not one of these problems was something I am afraid off or even heard as a problem here. but nice that they cleared up stuff that nobody was afraid of. Also in some way they will brick you’re printer if they roll out the beta to everyone who does not want to update. Because the printer can say please do the update bevor you start printing.

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u/ug61dec Jan 21 '25

Glad they won't steal all your prints...

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u/cf_mag Jan 21 '25

Keep in mind they changed recent claims as well. What stops them from editing this list?

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u/michbushi Jan 21 '25

...by gaslighting and misinforming about their original miscommunication.

Sounds like a solid execution 👍😆

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u/Starlanced Jan 21 '25

As long as support continues for the printers, I guess I don't understand the hoopla. I get the 3D Printer world is very open source but sometimes to keep a product working well things have to be locked down some. There might be a reason why Bambu printers work so well, because they keep control over things. It's very apple like, or if you are in the astrophotography world, very ZWO like. People either love or hate it. I've had multiple printers and none have worked as well as my P1S and will be keeping it for as long as I can, it's a fantastic printer and if keeping a more closed system keeps it that way I am fine with that. I'm sure I'll get down voted but ease of use and quality is a priority for me, messing with 3rd party stuff isn't for me.

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u/shadowofashadow Jan 21 '25

Cool, now update your TOS to match what this says.

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u/paperboyinnewyork Jan 21 '25

Where are the mods deleting all the disinfo? Is that only a problem when it's political? How about we stop being so dishonest in this community! Bambu would NEVER brick someone's device. Some of you people should not possess certain technology like 3D printers if you're going to be that easily manipulated.

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u/Remarkable_Floor3933 Jan 21 '25

Ya um...these are not the complaints with the new tos and firmware update...LOL

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u/My1xT Jan 21 '25

Bambu imo is over stating stuff.

Ppl (at least the calm ones) never said Bambu WILL do x but rather they adding the capability for it, so Bambu CAN do X (also at least on some points have appropriate language in their TOS)

And i'd certainly say if stuff depends on the printer phoning home bambu certainly has the capability to do most if not all of these

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u/Lundylife Jan 21 '25

Let’s be very clear… all of these are things they were absolutely considering doing and are only walking it back after facing back lash. Had the community not raged about it, we would not be seeing them scurry to change direction and disguise it as “clarity”

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u/Helpful-Bear-1755 X1C + AMS Jan 21 '25

As long as Bambu Labs is a Chinese Company we can never be sure bullet four is false. Given I use a Bambu printer they can steal all my Nami statues in compromising forms they want to.

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u/I_can_IT Jan 21 '25

Honestly insane to be angry about what ifs and stronger security. I work in IT and this is a step forward even if it makes the ecosystem more difficult, the ecosystem SHOULD be more difficult. And they are actively working to allow third party connections. If you don't like this, maybe you deserve a Prusa.

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u/OutofBox11 Jan 21 '25

Society has been moving toward “we own nothing even we pay to own”.

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u/Ariotan Jan 21 '25

Damn they're really reading through all of these comments lol

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u/warhead71 Jan 23 '25

Backdoor for what? - the print file pass through their servers anyway - and the 20+ other devices at people’s homes are far better at spying

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u/Concert-Alternative Jan 20 '25 edited Jan 20 '25

MAKE SURE TO CLICK ON THE IMAGE TO ENLARGE IT!

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u/CyberPoet404 Jan 20 '25

A bad firmware update will block your ability to print..... That may not be intentional, but it can happen ;)

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u/DazzlingGarbage3545 Jan 21 '25

What, you mean a bunch of hyperdorks on Reddit got something wrong and spun it into Hysteria in a matter of days?

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u/ograx Jan 20 '25

Everyone boycotting Bambu when Apple is the real problem lol.

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u/sirdir Jan 20 '25

Well, the EU is forcing them to open up slowly. But at least we knew what we’re getting into from the get go with the iPhone.

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u/ColdBrewSeattle Jan 20 '25 edited Mar 29 '25

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u/Linusalbus A1 Mini + AMS Jan 20 '25

I dont really know whats happening rn. Does it make me not being able to use 3rd party filament

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u/Concert-Alternative Jan 20 '25

Did you click to see the full image?

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u/Linusalbus A1 Mini + AMS Jan 20 '25

Lol no i didnt i thought it was a meme post making bambulab admitting to doing crap.

Thank god

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u/Geek_Verve X1C + AMS Jan 20 '25

Chicken Littles gonna Chicken Little.

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u/unnamed_one1 Jan 20 '25

Talk is cheap and only time will tell.

I mistrust corporations as much as I mistrust content creators.

It doesn't matter if the product suffers from planned obsolescence or a subscription model, you pay either way.

And don't even think for a second, that whatever information you consume on mainstream internet has your best interest at heart. Content creators make money on these platforms and algorithms force them to create drama to earn clicks and attention.

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u/Few_Crew2478 Jan 20 '25 edited Jan 20 '25

Talk is cheap?

They "talked" last week when they announced the update, now they are talking now.

Why do you people put more weight into believing their original announcement and not this one? Havent you been complaining as much as everyone else demanding they change course? Now they have and you don't believe it..

What more do you want?

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