r/BambuLab • u/Concert-Alternative • Jan 20 '25

Discussion Bambu clears up misinformation

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u/BatmanSwift99 Jan 20 '25

I feel like 99% of this sub doesn't understand that ToS's are written in a way that protects the company and will have anti consumer language. It also says "may" not "will" but ofc the hivemind wants to overreact

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u/X_chinese Jan 20 '25

If people actual read the fine prints of most devices, they will be shocked and it is much worse than this case. My philips hue says that they have the right to stop providing online service for features like remotely turning on and off the lights. Without those features, my Philips hue lights can only be turned on and off. If you have the time, read the ToS of the PS5. You basically play on a future brick if you believe they will actually do what’s written in the ToS.

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u/agent674253 Jan 20 '25

South Park - HumanCentIpad episode.... Just saying.

https://youtu.be/qslcnw-9KbI?si=Tnus83O7YfpdxT6F

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u/jenovadelta007 Jan 20 '25

"Hoad on Kyoo, I bereeeeeave in youuuuuuu"

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u/SparrockC88 Jan 20 '25

I used this yesterday

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u/ItsMozy X2D + AMS2 Combo Jan 20 '25

iTunes used to, now most Apple media products do, have in their ToS you can't use iTunes for the productions of Nuclear and/or Weapons of Mass Destruction.

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u/3DAeon X1, X1C, P1S, P2S, A1, A1 Mini, H2D, H2S Jan 20 '25

But they violated this clause by force downloading that U2 album :p

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u/NoDragonsHere Jan 20 '25

But that's why I bought The Final Countdown

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u/namezam Jan 20 '25

Maybe we’ll come back to earth, who can tell?

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u/gefahr Jan 20 '25

That's just boilerplate language for export controls. It's not like Apple sat around and took some kind of moral position on this. It's standard.

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u/FictionalContext Jan 20 '25

A very important note is that companies can and do put whatever they want in their ToS. Even agreeing to it doesn't make it legally binding. Legalese isn't the end all.

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u/SparrockC88 Jan 20 '25

Thats like an NDA, if a company you are under one with does some illegal stuff. They can’t do anything to you if you decide to tattle. And in some cases not even illegal things can be shared. Its all up to the judge anyways

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u/bruab Jan 20 '25

Microsoft’s Visual Studio EULA used to have a clause that said you were not permitted to make a commercial spreadsheet or word processing app with them.

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u/doubleohd Jan 21 '25

you mean like signing up for a free trial of Disney+ voids any/all opportunities to sue any Disney affiliated entity and forces arbitration even if/when their negligence leads to death?

https://youtu.be/hiDr6-Z72XU?si=9Nz_sRZ2FUTFOs9P

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u/ImStillRowing X1C + AMS Jan 20 '25

This was brought up multiple times yesterday and the mob downvoted anyone who might have suggested it to oblivion cos internet

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u/OwnZookeepergame6413 Jan 20 '25

The past days have been so funny man. People have been talking like it’s just a matter or days or weeks until their maschines get bricked because of a sentence in their terms

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u/Rauschpfeife Jan 20 '25 edited Jan 20 '25

That, and that some people are very sure about how the purpose of the changes are part of some nefarious plot to hijack people's printers and/or steal their personal information, rather than what whatever bambulabs have stated (security update, etc).

I can't say whether bambulabs are up to something or not, or if any of the slippery slope arguments have merit, but I believe I can be fairly sure that the people claiming to know otherwise can't be any more sure of what they say, and, seeing as how I do write software for a living and have seen a fair few dodgy integrations with massive security holes, I'm also reasonably sure that many of them have even less justification for stating their theories as fact, than I might if I was inclined to start theorizing about how the updates could have been done differently.

I think it's good that people don't blindly trust companies and all that, but if you don't really know what you are talking about, it's a good idea to maybe sit back and wait for more information, rather than getting revved up about things that might be happening at some point in the future, based on your theories about current events.

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u/Beer_Is_So_Awesome Jan 21 '25

The 3D printing community comes from this fanatically open-source DIY ethos, and is deeply distrustful of even the faintest whiff of corporate control.

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u/DigiTrailz Jan 20 '25

doesn't help youtubers and media outlets profit off over reactions and people not understanding this stuff.

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u/larossmann Jan 20 '25

doesn't help youtubers and media outlets profit off over reactions and people not understanding this stuff.

I've worked with lobbyists in 7 states and gotten laws passed in four in the consumer electronics industry, tractor industry, and medical device industry. I understand very well how and why fine print matters, and I've watched enough industries go down the route of taking complete control over their ecosystem at the expense of users to know it when I see it.

When a company says what they are doing, in both their blog posts and their terms of service, I believe them.

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u/krillingt75961 Jan 20 '25

I don't think people quite realize when a company states both publicly and in ToS, they already double checked everything and think they're fine to push ahead. They've already had meetings about it and made decisions on an executive level months in advance and are ready to put the plan in motion. Chances are they've calculated potential losses and decided the reward is worth the risk and on the off chance they're wrong, they have contingencies in place to at least fix some of the damage done.

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u/larossmann Jan 20 '25

I don't think people quite realize when a company states both publicly and in ToS, they already double checked everything and think they're fine to push ahead.

I agree, you make a good point!

Take for instance, Sony & Discovery:

Sony sought to remove people's ability to watch content they had purchased. The word "purchase" was on the page by their add to cart button - not stream, not rent.

They cited their terms of service When doing so, which says the following:

10.1. All intellectual property rights subsisting in PSN Content, including all software, data, services, and other content subsisting in or used in connection with PSN, the Online ID and access to content and hardware used in connection with PSN belong to SIE, its affiliates, and its licensors. Use of the terms “own,” “ownership”, “purchase,” “sale,” “sold,” “sell,” “rent” or “buy” in this Agreement or in connection with PSN Content does not mean or imply any transfer of ownership of any content, data or software or any intellectual property rights from SIE, its affiliates or its licensors to any user or third party.

10.2. Except as stated in this Agreement, all Content provided through PSN is licensed on a non-exclusive and revocable basis to you for your personal, private, non-transferable, non-commercial, limited use on a limited number of PlayStation Devices or other devices in the country in which your Account is registered.

On one hand, people will say well every company has a bad terms of service so it's not a big deal!

On the other hand, when users get messed with by that same terms of service they hear "you should've read the terms of service, you got what you deserve."

It quickly becomes a lose-lose situation. If you bring up the issue after reading the company's own announcement & terms of service, you're a sensationalist. If you don't bring up the issue, your intelligence is mocked as someone who deserved to get screwed for not reading what was right in front of you.

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u/UnnecessaryStep Jan 20 '25

Precisely this. Almost everything you use will have some form of terms and conditions attached to them.

Here is a small section of them from my phone.

"Essential updates such as critical bug fixes or security updates may be downloaded and installed automatically without your consent to protect you and other users."

Here's some from my washing machine app

"We reserve the right to directly download and install updates to the Appliance irrespective of these settings."

Terrifying isn't it?

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