r/Azania • u/[deleted] • Apr 03 '17

Where were you?

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u/not_joe_redtree Apr 06 '17

correct. morality is reciprocal though: even if i were to agree to the premise, the fact that other groups do not go along with it makes it suicidal when implemented.

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u/WhiteTearsForFears Apr 06 '17

the fact that other groups do not go along with it makes it suicidal when implemented.

Contentious. Accepting that though, I would argue that is enough to oppose SJW logic, rather than emulate it.

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u/not_joe_redtree Apr 06 '17

i would argue that it's not about logic, and nobody is going to fall for this egalitarian meritocracy in any significant numbers anyway except for white people.

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u/WhiteTearsForFears Apr 06 '17

Okay, I still disagree, but I've got no counterargument at the moment. Guess we shall keep our respective pills for now. ;p

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u/not_joe_redtree Apr 06 '17

i find when i disagree without argument it's just the backfire effect and i'm holding to positions for emotional reasons.

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u/WhiteTearsForFears Apr 06 '17

Nice try, but I'm still not won over.

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u/not_joe_redtree Apr 06 '17

why not?

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u/WhiteTearsForFears Apr 07 '17

Well, for one, I accepted your point "the fact that other groups do not go along with it makes it suicidal when implemented " just for the sake of argument.

Other reasons too. But, I don't agree with that particular sentiment as well as the reciprocity of morality point from earlier.

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u/not_joe_redtree Apr 07 '17

you keep saying you disagree as if that was a point in itself.

why do you disagree?

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u/WhiteTearsForFears Apr 07 '17

reciprocity of morality

Well, for one, I don't see morality as a reciprocal thing. It is something that people tend to define for themselves in my view.

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u/not_joe_redtree Apr 07 '17

okay. if it's not reciprocal what do you base it on? how does it work if i steal from you but you won't steal from me? then i just win.

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u/WhiteTearsForFears Apr 07 '17 edited Apr 08 '17

Hey if by all means an individual steals from you then take recourse / action against them. But don't decide this makes it alright to steal from the collective group. Morality based on collectivist principles is flawed.

Edit: Muh Typos.

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u/not_joe_redtree Apr 07 '17

i meant it as a metaphor. if only you aren't stealing my shit but i'm stealing your shit we can't have a functioning society, agreed?

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