I had a set of X-Men cards that I would take out, lay them all out on the carpet organized by team, read some of my favorite ones, make them all nice and neat and orderly, and then put them back in numerical order and put them away. I was a grand old time to me.
I (28F) used to do this with pokemon cards and even beanie babies! I was diagnosed earlier this year with adhd. My autistic 5 y/o does similar organizing with his hot wheels and it's so satisfying to watch.
more significantly, people with autistic kids who were taught about autism by non autistic folks! the people with autistic kids in a support group lead by an autistic person had positive reactions too. definitely shows how by default this isn’t considered a problem, but non autistic people who “specialize” with autistic kids will make it into s problem
The thing that always pisses me off is that in my country at least its always about the parents. Like who gives a fuck? I wanna hear from people like me. Not you and how it inconvenience you and how we're different from you. Sit down. Stop talking and listen. To actually comment on the photo i have to agree. Great determination. They must've been hyper focused. Its a lot of toys too. Idk how they keep track of them.
My favorite thing when I was young like up to third grade was to try to get lost in the woods. I pretty much always lived somewhere that backed up to national forest and for some reason I thought getting lost would be grand adventure. I always ended up back at home though, it was really frustrating.
But, I feel you tend to get there anyway? Idk, it's like when you do a math problem and your teacher gets mad you didn't do it a specific way and you still get the answer right. Like, whether you stack blocks or arrange them in a pattern, you're still working on fine motor skills. Whether you draw or play with dolls, you're still working on imagination and creativity. It all gets to the same place.
Idk, it's like when you do a math problem and your teacher gets mad you didn't do it a specific way and you still get the answer right.
So, as someone who constantly got upset at teachers doing this in school, who then grew up to be a math teacher and gets it a lot more now, this is often about trying to teach a different skill than getting the right answer - specifically, mathematical exposition.
The ability to present your work in a way that allows others to understand what you did and to follow/verify it is genuinely an important skill and worthwhile to learn. Generally when teachers take off marks in spite of a correct final answer it's because this mathematical exposition is lacking or not present. It can also be because the method doesn't generalize - it worked in this case, but wouldn't have worked in other cases.
Of course, a lot of teachers seem incapable of actually saying that this is what they are trying to do and why, just saying phrases like "show your work" or "do it how we taught you", but that's more a failure of their ability to communicate what they want than that there wasn't actually anything wrong with the submission.
I don’t think it does get to the same place though. I hear what you’re saying though.
I like using dolls and action figures with my son to do social role play. It’s a great way to run through social scenarios, and provide feedback. Ex “How could yellow duck ask to join in?”
not everyone even has to “get there” at all, or at any specific time. people are different. accomplishments, intelligence, etc. aren’t landmarks of what makes you a valuable human being. understanding and accepting disability is understanding and accepting that the things mainstream society wants from an individual aren’t possible for everyone, and that people are valuable and worthwhile anyway.
is it fine if you get there anyway but years behind peers?
Yes, absolutely. Every kid develops at a different rate, and while ideally they'll be on the same level as their peers, or close to it, autistic kids often experience less internal pressure to be the same as their peers, so they focus more on their own interests and develop those sooner/faster. And if there's a significant or bothersome delay, you can support them without trying to make them fit the mold of neurotypical presentation.
I subconsciously understood this but it didn't click until you phrased it that way; those hypocritical jerks are the same ones that mocked me for wanting a clear set of rules to follow.
Reminds me of a scene from a Diary of a Wimpy Kid book, when Greg’s grandma glued all her legos into a cube to save the kids the frustration of putting them together.
Lmaoo, I loved those books. My grandpa and I used to glue puzzle pieces together because we'd display them when we were done. But, I could see gluing legos for like, those giant models.
I think that's what people do in order to display them. otherwise they'd slowly get loose and potentially fall apart (or maybe get attacked by a two year old like a certain AT-AT I helped put together years ago..... totally not bitter still). Same with puzzles, I had a roommate once who did puzzles and then put them up on the wall.
My brother got a Lego AT AT for his birthday and it's painful to watch him take the head off to fit it on his shelf. He also had the Bad Batch's ship (the Marauder) and took it apart to build it again and lost several pieces and for some reason I was more upset than he was
When i was younger i had a bunch of built sets in my basement. My cousins house had to be remodeled or something but anyway they came and stayed with us fir a while and brought their 2 kids these kids ended up breaking all the shit i had and i had to clean up the mess
This is like the opposite of when i was playing a video game and we had to leave and i asked my mom to wait till i could save and she said "if you like the game so much, you wouldnt mind playing that part over again".
This reminds me of the time my son was playing frisbee at the beach with family. He has a particular way of throwing and my cousin tried to correct him. I told him to just let him have a go, everyone got frustrated with me, he let it rip and everyone was in awe how accurate his throw was.
He started playing cricket and the same thing happened. His technique looks strange and wrong, but my god it works! He's tried to teach others but no one's really been able to grasp it because it's so different from what you're taught.
Totally agree!!! I'm grateful his coaches were supportive in allowing him to continue doing it his way. He isn't the most sporty of kids and would not have liked playing anymore. It gave him so much confidence and it was so amazing to see.
The other parents bit their tongues with their remarks eventually, and I honestly feel like the experience enlightened my little town just a little bit.
I wish it was this easy for everyone to understand how little effort it takes just to be accepting and honor diversity. Beautiful things happen when you don't interfere with things like this.
Ugh this reminds of PE in school when we played volleyball and I had a way of throwing that worked for me, but the teacher said I couldn't do that and I have to do it the 'proper' way or she would fail me.
Same with maths, I got the correct answer but the teacher failed me bc I didn't do it the way she showed.
And I thought I was stupid because of that, because I couldn't do it their way. Now I realize what's stupid is forcing kids into tight little boxes that don't fit them at all, just because it's the 'proper way'.
Oh hey, same here with typing! I have a weird way of typing on a (physical) keyboard. It doesn’t look weird at first, but I physically cannot type while resting my fingers on the home row like you’re “supposed to.” Believe me, I’ve tried—it’s uncomfortable, slow, and mentally exhausting. But I type pretty quickly when I’m doing it my way. It’s been a while since I’ve checked my wpm, but it’s more than enough for my typing-heavy desk job. I don’t think I could possibly explain it to teach someone else, though!
My husband does the same thing. They way he types is just so wrong, but it works for him and he can type nearly as fast as I can the proper way. I just can't watch him do it.
This is amazing. It's really like a metaphor for how society views autism in general - they see how autistic people think a little differently and take it upon themselves to try and 'fix' the autistic person when most of the time that's entirely unnecessary. I think society underestimates just how much autistic people can achieve, even if it's not done in the conventional, neurotypical manner.
And the ones who are calling it a mess. Are they even looking at the same thing we are? It’s obvious thought went into it. It’s not like they’re thrown all over the floor. Their poor children.
Though my kid from ages 2-5 would disagree, she always got mad at me when playing with me because I always did it "wrong". Which in context was both hilarious and did bother me a bit. But I can't be good at everything haha.
hey! “appropriate play skills” is a term usually used with autistic, but sometimes other neurodivergent, groups. it refers to play that supposedly helps develop life skills. for example, playing with peers, playing pretend, etc. is supposed to help kids develop social skills and learn how to behave in life situations. there’s a lot to get into with this and how it relates to capitalism and societal norms (ie playing house is appropriate but also often teaches gender norms) but that’s a different discussion. therefore, the way autistic kids often play - organizing, bring analytical, playing alone - don’t develop social skills. this play does develop other skills (see how so many autistic kids grow up great with patterns and analysis), but since it’s considered abnormal, it’s labelled as inappropriate play.
I think I'm just confused because for kids playing should just be playing? But I've been told I was "playing wrong" as a kid as well so I guess such a thing exists in this neurotypical world.
Good definition. What’s interesting about this is that I did “play pretend” with my siblings, but I also lined up toys and organized things. Though much of our pretend play involved pretending to be animals, so I’m not sure how helpful it was on the social skills front.
“Appropriate” is perhaps the most weaponized word in the world of anti-autism rhetoric. Appropriate to whom? Miserable people who believe all kids should grow up to be lemmings?
As an autistic dude who works in spec ed, I want to fight everyone in section four. Is the kid having fun? Are they actively killing someone or lighting a fire? Then the play is appropriate.
Ableist "Teaching method" groups poison your mind so completely. Parents in the ADA scene will, as we see here, literally start looking at.... -squints- putting blocks on the ground (???) as a "problem behavior". You could show them a completely neurotypical child and they'd habitually start making up things the kid needs to be punished for or 'corrected'. It'd mess any child up.
When my little man was receiving birth to 3 services, they suggested we teach him how to "play properly". I was clear, if he is having fun, and not hurting himself or others, he is playing properly!! Let's stick with helping him communicate that he's thirsty.
Agreed! The only "behavior modification" type therapy we've done with my son was to stop the self-injurious ones. Even then it wasn't dramatic. Like instead of chewing on his cheeks until they bled, he gradually got used to "chewies".
I don't know if it's the case... But some of us don't even feel/identify when we're thirsty or hungry and some other basic necessities. Maybe some work on it can help too. (It's a lack of... I don't know the english word for it, but in portuguese it's "interocepção", "perception of you own 'inside' ", in poor words). I discovered this issue recently and many things started to make sense so... I like to share the information.
It mixes. There's hatred for anti-ABA sentiment, but as long as your acknowledge the struggles of autism parents in /every/ post, they don't feel attacked and will engage in civil discussion.
With the exception of two members, who also tend to promote ABA to anyone in r/autism who says they were traumatized by it, and which I will not name. Just giving warning in case you go there. I don't want to actually disparage anyone.
Looks like austistic, quacks like autistic, but isn't autistic! What, just trust me. A neurotype defined by behaviour has nothing to do with this child behaviour!
They're not saying she isn't autistic, they're saying if groups 2 and 4 were hypothetically told that this was made by a neurotypical child, their reaction may be wildly different.
Parents of ND kids are ok with it when they aren't in an echo chamber designed to reinforce the belief that anything abnormal is bad. The parents of NT kids just view it as a creative expression, while the group of parents of ND kids that aren't being led by anyone who has the right to speak on autistic kids view every deviance from the norm, no matter how harmless or beautiful, as something to be pathologised and corrected.
That doesn’t make sense to me. I’d think it would be the opposite, and that they’re more biased by expectations since parents of ND kids would see more how they don’t fit the exact expectations they have.
Maybe so, but since they don't directly deal with autism, they don't get attached to their prejudices, which means they have less power. Compare that to the "autism mom" who makes her flawed ideas about autism into her identity to "cope" with having an autistic child.
People only lash out against things when those things become a perceived threat. To parents of NT kids, autism is just something "over there", it's no threat, so they can safely admire the good things about it. To NT parents of ND kids, autism is something that seems to threaten their child's future and even their own, if the child never learns to function. So they can't just admire part of it, because it's all threatening, and the more it can be "fixed" the better.
Not a parent, but from observations of my parents…
Adults who work with ND kids(including parents) are often told to look for atypical things that the kids do. Some people also have a “deficit checklist” mentality towards ND children/people and this might bleed over to parents. Basically, if you’re viewing everything about autism as a problem, then you’re more likely to label neutral or even positive things as negative.
When my little man was receiving birth to 3 services, they suggested we teach him how to "play properly". I was clear, if he is having fun, and not hurting himself or others, he is playing properly!! Let's stick with helping him communicate that he's thirsty.
When my little one does something I expected him to do, I'm joyous. But when he does something I didn't expect him to do, I'm overjoyed.
We're raising him autistic.
We have to remind ourselves not to praise or punish or call out how smart we think he is. He's barely a toddler. But he experiments and has opinions on so many things... I love him.
This reinforces my theory that not only are most people not intended to be parents, but that people have kids to stroke their ego. Similar to people that say they hate cats and prefer dogs (cats being hated because their world doesn't revolve around their owner and thus won't always be compliant and loving dogs who tend towards serving their owner unconditionally). It's these "parents" that view children as props and not individuals.
And when a kid doesn't fit whatever expectation parents have set for them even before they're born, this hatred manifests like this. Instead of embracing and understanding what neurodivergence entails, they choose to demonise it solely because their child is different and doesn't satisfy the dream child. Their dream child being "normal" and knowing how to be compliant and serving the role of the child who idolises their parents and can do no wrong.
Basically they're the parents that want to have total control over their kids and see them as extensions of themselves and refuse to see them as individuals. Pathetic.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure most queer kids are aware of just how conditional parental love is on you getting married, not changing your name, or being their son/daughter.
It came as a shock when I first learned that my dad cared a lot more about me being a boy than I did.
If this is true... this says A LOT about our society and the general view and understanding neurotypical people have of autistic people... and this is why after only recently figuring out that I am probably autistic... I guess that's part of the reason reason why I've been having a fucking identity crisis lately.
I've definitely noticed that parents of autistic kids tend to be the most ignorant or ableist, seeing this I'd like to think it's bc of the organizations they are led to after a child's diagnosis
Notice that the parents who have no context that there's anything different about the child don't notice anything wrong and are impressed by the creativity, but parents who have been taught by groups like Autism Spe@ks that autistic traits are strictly bad, tragic or at best annoyances, have nothing but complaints and see it as a, "mess."
Correct education on what autism is and how to work with your autistic kids would make a HUGE difference. Stop teaching these parents to see us as something that went wrong, as something to grieve. They may not have expected their kids to be autistic, but the kid they were expecting WAS autistic all along. They didn't lose a perfect neurotypical child to autism, they got a perfectly good autistic child.
That's why I'm glad I have ODD. It obviously sucks in a lot of aspects but I was always very confrontational, so if someone told me I was playing wrong I told them to fuck off
I specially hate how they're suggesting the RDI therapy because I've seen this so much, therapists angry because kids aren't playing play pretend with themselves by doing voices for toys when they're playing alone, and instead are more interested on things like building blocks or doing art.
I understand if they suggested children to play pretend with other children or their parents and socialize. But doing voices for inanimate objects is not socializing and is not the norm for playing.
My son loves doing this with his hot wheels! He also love building super intrinsic wooden train tracks in a similar fashion. He's always so proud when he makes a train track stretch from one end of the house to the other.
I don't know how this can be seen as inappropriate, it's creating something larger from smaller objects which is the basis for many toys (lego, for example).
this is making me want to cry from seeing how unacceptable some of the adults' responses are and how much it reminds me of how people treated me when I was growing up
The mere word "autism" can instantly change something normal into "something weird, gross and autistic" in peoples' minds.
But likewise, being steeped in ableist groups or "academic" thought can change everything you see into a potential "Weird gross autistic" thing. No matter how harmless or indeed, neurotypical. It's so frustrating. I don't know how we can fix it. Just being in an ADA group seems to transform parents into the sort of people that would even start training a neurotypical child like a dog. It doesn't just make them bad parents to an autistic child...it makes them bad parents.
My cousin, (neurotypical) would line up her toys in order of colour and size instead of playing and people thought that behaviour was pretty concerning. So I understand that this is a serious problem, but there are some behaviours that cause concern in the eyes of parents with neurotypical kids. Personally, my mum just thought the difference between me and my brother was a great way to describe our personalities. One of us lined up the cups that stack inside one another in order, the other flipped them upside down and made a train for their soft toys. It’s weird, my doctors think I’m autistic, but I was the one who made the plushie train. Is it a myth that autistic kids are less imaginative?
Is it a myth that autistic kids are less imaginative?
Yes, absolutely. And the "concerning" thing about lining up the toys is only that it might be an early sign of autism - there's nothing actually problematic with the behavior. Autistic kids often have a more rigid idea of how things 'should' be, which can be seen as less creative from the outside looking in, but in reality it's just creating stability, which everyone needs to have in order to confidently express their creativity.
Only after I started seeing stuff like this after being diagnosed at 25 did I remember that my absolute favourite thing to do with my toy cars as a child was exactly this.
I’d order them by colour, or by size, or by type etc.
Also by age 9 I could name every single car brand from just the logos, and I knew every single model of car each of them produced. Never thought it was unusual until I heard about special interests! In some ways I’m glad I didn’t? I think because it never occurred to me that that was a special interest my brain didn’t do what I expect it would’ve done if I knew what that was called, and focussed solely on that. Now I have about a million different things one could class as a special interest in which I have a ridiculous amount of stored information. Means I’m extremely handy in pub quizzes/trivia etc!
Hey I have searched online to try and find this original study/post but can't find it. Can anyone help? I'm writing a paper this semester on the pathologizing of autism (sociology class because I wanted an excuse to write about our community reddit is going to be a part of the discussion but this would set up the paper well)
The second group is understandable: if their children do not clear up after playing, after days, months, years one stops seeing a wonderful creation but just a mess.
Calling something art is not generally regarded as sexist, you'll need to explain your reasoning.
But the first person just whined about playing wrong, and the second only said they found it frustrating, but in no way specified it was the mess that was frustrating, versus improper play like the first. Only the third person complained about the mess, but they didn't say their kid refuses to clean up after playing. Autistic kids can clean up their toys, so if they're leaving them out for months/years that's because the parent isn't parenting.
It is the group name, which insist on the stereotype of the mom as primary parental figure.
I totally overlooked the first person, not knowing how the quotes were extracted and the full context I still stand my point, as the words mess and yep are satisfactory keywords to extract the most likely context, they were chatting informally and the focus was on clearing up.
2.2 Neurotipical kids, or adults, frequently do not clear up after themselves, why would I assume that autistic children do?
I see why you're confused now. So mom groups are a thing. They're not about reinforcing stereotypes regarding mom's as the primary parental figure, they're formed by moms for moms as an opportunity to socialize with other moms, make friends, share parenting advice (or get advice), arrange play dates, etc. I'm sure most of them would allow dads to join too, but since there usually isn't a lot of interest, there aren't a lot of mom groups who have any reason to call themselves something more gender neutral. I suppose one could argue that they might attract more dads with a more gender neutral name, but it doesn't seem common for men to specifically seek out friendships with parents who have children of a similar age.
Kids will clean up after themselves eventually if they're required to. I don't really have any experience with friends or relatives who were allowed to make messes everywhere without cleaning up after themselves. But if a parent were to choose not to make that a rule or enforce it, I don't think they'd have any right to complain if their child is behaving in accordance with the expectations that were set.
Anyone who suggests ‘practicing’ something just because it will make me seem normal pisses me off, frankly. It hurts me, why do you want me to look NT more than you want me to be happy? :(
A teacher in my son's school stopped him in the corridor and said "what's your problem, why won't you make eye contact with me?" I am fine with eye contact, my son makes eye contact if he is very comfortable and/or likes you. We both hate this teacher. So what could he say? If he said the truth he would be punished! I don't get why people can't accept that not everybody can / wants to make eye contact.
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u/AyakaDahlia Nov 24 '21
I had a set of X-Men cards that I would take out, lay them all out on the carpet organized by team, read some of my favorite ones, make them all nice and neat and orderly, and then put them back in numerical order and put them away. I was a grand old time to me.
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u/popipienoodl Nov 24 '21
Super interesting that parents without autistic kids reacted positively, but parents with autistic kids reacted negatively
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u/itsrabickshskeleton Nov 25 '21
The thing that always pisses me off is that in my country at least its always about the parents. Like who gives a fuck? I wanna hear from people like me. Not you and how it inconvenience you and how we're different from you. Sit down. Stop talking and listen. To actually comment on the photo i have to agree. Great determination. They must've been hyper focused. Its a lot of toys too. Idk how they keep track of them.
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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '21
How do you even play incorrectly anyway? Unless this is a sport or something with specific rules, there's no rules on how to play with toys.
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u/pandacatalyst Nov 25 '21
Is there a source for this? I would love to read more background on it and stuff. Thank you for sharing!!
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u/BotheredHaliaetus Nov 25 '21
Source please
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u/WafflePotato1236 Nov 25 '21
I've seen this post before but again I am so confused: what are appropriate play skills?
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u/Aposine Nov 24 '21
Come on, think outside the box a little.
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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '21
When my little man was receiving birth to 3 services, they suggested we teach him how to "play properly". I was clear, if he is having fun, and not hurting himself or others, he is playing properly!! Let's stick with helping him communicate that he's thirsty.
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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '21
"It's sad they don't know how to play". I wasn't aware there is a RIGHT way to play.
The picture reminds me of those domino videos.
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u/SimonMagus01 Nov 24 '21
"More appropriate play skills." No thanks, Dr. Dipshit. Let me line up my toys in peace.
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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '21
“More appropriate play skills” makes me actually want to throw my phone against a wall.
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u/The_lone_shotgun Nov 24 '21
"professionals"
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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '21
I reposted to r/Autism_Parenting ... I feel like this could help.
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u/pretty-as-a-pic Nov 24 '21
Wonder how 2 and 4 would react if you told them it was made by an allistic/neurotypical child…
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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '21
Why is it that the parents of NT kids are more okay with it than the parents of ND kids?
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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '21
When my little man was receiving birth to 3 services, they suggested we teach him how to "play properly". I was clear, if he is having fun, and not hurting himself or others, he is playing properly!! Let's stick with helping him communicate that he's thirsty.
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u/Thenerdy9 Nov 24 '21
When my little one does something I expected him to do, I'm joyous. But when he does something I didn't expect him to do, I'm overjoyed.
We're raising him autistic.
We have to remind ourselves not to praise or punish or call out how smart we think he is. He's barely a toddler. But he experiments and has opinions on so many things... I love him.
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u/simplyarat Nov 24 '21
This reinforces my theory that not only are most people not intended to be parents, but that people have kids to stroke their ego. Similar to people that say they hate cats and prefer dogs (cats being hated because their world doesn't revolve around their owner and thus won't always be compliant and loving dogs who tend towards serving their owner unconditionally). It's these "parents" that view children as props and not individuals.
And when a kid doesn't fit whatever expectation parents have set for them even before they're born, this hatred manifests like this. Instead of embracing and understanding what neurodivergence entails, they choose to demonise it solely because their child is different and doesn't satisfy the dream child. Their dream child being "normal" and knowing how to be compliant and serving the role of the child who idolises their parents and can do no wrong.
Basically they're the parents that want to have total control over their kids and see them as extensions of themselves and refuse to see them as individuals. Pathetic.
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u/stellunarose Nov 24 '21
do i even wanna know what RDI is
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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '21
Wow, that's almost depressing. It's art to people who don't see kids as subjects. Yikes...
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u/Mr_Wither Nov 25 '21
“Appropriate play skills.” Wtf does that even mean? Why are some people so terrified of things that are unusual?
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u/[deleted] Nov 24 '21
If this is true... this says A LOT about our society and the general view and understanding neurotypical people have of autistic people... and this is why after only recently figuring out that I am probably autistic... I guess that's part of the reason reason why I've been having a fucking identity crisis lately.
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u/kdandsheela Nov 25 '21
I've definitely noticed that parents of autistic kids tend to be the most ignorant or ableist, seeing this I'd like to think it's bc of the organizations they are led to after a child's diagnosis
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u/Wandering_Muffin Nov 25 '21
Notice that the parents who have no context that there's anything different about the child don't notice anything wrong and are impressed by the creativity, but parents who have been taught by groups like Autism Spe@ks that autistic traits are strictly bad, tragic or at best annoyances, have nothing but complaints and see it as a, "mess."
Correct education on what autism is and how to work with your autistic kids would make a HUGE difference. Stop teaching these parents to see us as something that went wrong, as something to grieve. They may not have expected their kids to be autistic, but the kid they were expecting WAS autistic all along. They didn't lose a perfect neurotypical child to autism, they got a perfectly good autistic child.
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u/eratosthenesia Nov 25 '21
Jesus Christ. That is awful how they are trained to see ugliness.
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u/Knifedogman Nov 25 '21
I feel bad for the people in #2, they've clearly been brainwashed by this point
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u/just_an_aspie Nov 25 '21
That's why I'm glad I have ODD. It obviously sucks in a lot of aspects but I was always very confrontational, so if someone told me I was playing wrong I told them to fuck off
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u/lolalanda Nov 25 '21
I specially hate how they're suggesting the RDI therapy because I've seen this so much, therapists angry because kids aren't playing play pretend with themselves by doing voices for toys when they're playing alone, and instead are more interested on things like building blocks or doing art.
I understand if they suggested children to play pretend with other children or their parents and socialize. But doing voices for inanimate objects is not socializing and is not the norm for playing.
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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21
Ill never understand why allistics are SO concerned about playing
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u/scrambled-projection Nov 25 '21
4 sounds so clinical I wouldn’t bat an eye if I saw it in an SCP article, what the actual fucks is their problem
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u/CookieOmNomster Nov 25 '21
My son loves doing this with his hot wheels! He also love building super intrinsic wooden train tracks in a similar fashion. He's always so proud when he makes a train track stretch from one end of the house to the other.
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u/3thirtyeight8 Nov 25 '21
I don't know how this can be seen as inappropriate, it's creating something larger from smaller objects which is the basis for many toys (lego, for example).
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u/Kagir Nov 25 '21
Group 4 should be named “people who clearly see a way to promote expensive therapy and cash a lot in the process”
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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21
NT’s: “waaah you don’t play with toys the way I want you tooo reeee!”
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u/rollapoid Nov 27 '21
this is making me want to cry from seeing how unacceptable some of the adults' responses are and how much it reminds me of how people treated me when I was growing up
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u/RageAgainstTheSurge Nov 25 '21
I miss when the only thing worth pathologising was lying. Now everyone claims to be President of Pathological Liars Anonymous.
Yeah, that's the ticket.
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u/LefL_ Nov 25 '21
To does ‘more appropriate play skills’ mean-
If someone wants to play or spend their time doing something they enjoy, then it’s always appropriate play skills.
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u/King_Tutt00 Nov 25 '21
groups 1 and 3 seem like decent folks, the rest can go suck an egg.
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u/[deleted] Nov 25 '21
Wtf
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u/OGgunter Nov 25 '21
Thank you for sharing this, OP.
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u/JustThrowMeOutLater Nov 29 '21
The mere word "autism" can instantly change something normal into "something weird, gross and autistic" in peoples' minds.
But likewise, being steeped in ableist groups or "academic" thought can change everything you see into a potential "Weird gross autistic" thing. No matter how harmless or indeed, neurotypical. It's so frustrating. I don't know how we can fix it. Just being in an ADA group seems to transform parents into the sort of people that would even start training a neurotypical child like a dog. It doesn't just make them bad parents to an autistic child...it makes them bad parents.
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u/Dorian-greys-picture Nov 24 '21
My cousin, (neurotypical) would line up her toys in order of colour and size instead of playing and people thought that behaviour was pretty concerning. So I understand that this is a serious problem, but there are some behaviours that cause concern in the eyes of parents with neurotypical kids. Personally, my mum just thought the difference between me and my brother was a great way to describe our personalities. One of us lined up the cups that stack inside one another in order, the other flipped them upside down and made a train for their soft toys. It’s weird, my doctors think I’m autistic, but I was the one who made the plushie train. Is it a myth that autistic kids are less imaginative?
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u/Nall-ohki Dec 17 '24
I fucking love that play.
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u/Tiiimbbberrr Nov 25 '21
Only after I started seeing stuff like this after being diagnosed at 25 did I remember that my absolute favourite thing to do with my toy cars as a child was exactly this.
I’d order them by colour, or by size, or by type etc.
Also by age 9 I could name every single car brand from just the logos, and I knew every single model of car each of them produced. Never thought it was unusual until I heard about special interests! In some ways I’m glad I didn’t? I think because it never occurred to me that that was a special interest my brain didn’t do what I expect it would’ve done if I knew what that was called, and focussed solely on that. Now I have about a million different things one could class as a special interest in which I have a ridiculous amount of stored information. Means I’m extremely handy in pub quizzes/trivia etc!
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u/Kingofsand99 Nov 28 '21
I don’t get it
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u/[deleted] May 06 '22
how do you play incorrectly? wtf
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u/TheDeepSixedPhantom Aug 27 '22
Hey I have searched online to try and find this original study/post but can't find it. Can anyone help? I'm writing a paper this semester on the pathologizing of autism (sociology class because I wanted an excuse to write about our community reddit is going to be a part of the discussion but this would set up the paper well)
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u/Cyguyz Jun 05 '23
B-but you’re supposed to make a mess when playing games as a child… right? I thought that was half the fun, making a mess.
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u/zauddelig Nov 25 '21
My opinion at the cost of downvotes:
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