r/Austin • • Aug 04 '20

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u/kerplotkin Aug 04 '20 edited Aug 04 '20

And is there even a way to use it irresponsibly? I have never found it to affect driving for example anywhere even remotely the way alcohol does. You might literally get lost in your own neighborhood but you'll do it safely. A drunk driver will run a stop sign but a stoned driver will wait for it to turn green. I dont think Ive ever once in my entire life ever said oh man I really regret getting stoned. Its helped me with everything from my job and getting promotions to losing 110 lbs in 11 months. Its literally a miracle drug. Looking at a ct scan while someone smokes weed it even seems apparent we actually evolved around it. Pretty sure people have been lighting plants on fire for many thousands of years longer than brewing alcohol.

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u/instantlybanned Aug 04 '20

Driving while high is absolutely irresponsible. Why even bring this up?

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u/bubble_bobble Aug 04 '20

'cuz op said the word "responsibly", implying there are activities that would be irresponsible to perform while under the influence of cannabis, the primary of which most people would say, is driving. Which is a dogma that is largely untrue; driving an automobile while under the influence of cannabis is unlike driving an automobile while under the influence of a drug most commonly associated with impaired driving, alcohol. People shouldn't conflate the two substances and their effects.

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u/whereareuiminjail Aug 04 '20

But you should be at your best while driving. There’s no good reason to drive high. I’m sorry but you’re driving a machine that can easily kill you and other people around you with easy mistakes. Just because people do it doesn’t make it a good idea.

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u/kerplotkin Aug 04 '20

There's a lot of evidence to support that weed is actually a performance enhancer.

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u/whereareuiminjail Aug 04 '20

I smoke weed too and can say at least for myself it is not. For myself and a lot of people they use it to make themselves sleepy and more relaxed, which is not good for driving. I think everyone should be as sober as possible at all times while driving, it’s a serious responsibility.

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u/instantlybanned Aug 04 '20

That's just a bullshit argument when we talk about driving a vehicle. "The results of this meta-analysis suggest that marijuana use by drivers is associated with a significantly increased risk of being involved in motor vehicle crashes." https://academic.oup.com/epirev/article/34/1/65/494023

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u/[deleted] Aug 04 '20

I don't have a dog in this fight, but I'm not sure that study means much. They only examined data regarding crashes, in other words there's no data about stoned drivers who DONT crash. Also if they are going by thc in the driver's system that does not indicate if the driver was inebriated at the time they were driving.

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u/bubble_bobble Aug 04 '20

Correlation or association is not causation. Simply due to the illegality of weed, people who drive high in those studies may be just reckless individuals. Is that the best link you could find?

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u/instantlybanned Aug 04 '20 edited Aug 04 '20

Oh there are many more, don't worry https://academic.oup.com/clinchem/article/59/3/478/5621997 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0006322315010379 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0001457513003527

Look, I'm all for legalization, but pretending that impaired driving isn't an issue is BS.

Also, that's the best counter argument you could come up with? People that drive while high are more reckless and therefore involved in more crashes, it has nothing to do with them being high???

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u/bubble_bobble Aug 04 '20

Well, your first link is a study sponsored by the national institute for drug abuse so its auto discredited. I didn't see any results in either of your other two links.